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I'm trying to find out what happened to Lily Myrtle Mabel SOUTHEE (possibly born 1900 in Wellington, New Zealand).
Her parents, John Alfred Southee (b 1876, Mangaroa, Upper Hutt; d 1952, Brisbane, Queensland, Aus) and Matilda Ann SIMPSON (b 1872, Dundee, SCT; d 1952, Auckland, New Zealand) divorced.
Both John and Matilda remarried: John to Sarah SOUTHEE (his first cousin), and Matilda to George Southee (John Southee's uncle).
John and his second wife, Sarah, emigrated to Australia. His daughter, Lily, stayed behind with her mother, Matilda. All trace has been lost of Lily. Does anyone out there know what happened to her?
Many thanks
Rachel
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Hi Rachel
Right or wrong, just noticed this website:
http://jo.warby.markingtime.bigpondhosting.com/p241.htm
and this one too
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/l/e/m/Tracy-P-Lemke/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-Index.html
Which has Lillas Ann SOUTHEE b 1900 as dau Alfred John SOUTHEE & Matilda Ann SIMPSON.
They also have Lily Myrtle SOUTHEE b 1889 as a sister of the above Alfred John....?
Cheers
AMBLY
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Hi Ambly
Thanks, and yes, I've come across Jo's wonderful website before :)
Lilias Ann Southee could be the daughter of Matilda's second marriage to George Southee. She isn't mentioned on John Alfred Southee's death certificate, whereas Lily Myrtle Mabel Southee is.
Lilias also died in Kaeo, Northland - the same place that Matilda is buried.
Many thanks
Rachel
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have we not just done a Southee ?
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mentioned on his death cert ?
Can see on the marriage CD, that they slightly altered their names John Albert as just Albert and Matilda married under her maiden name for the second marriage.
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Hello
Mk2_Zephyr
Whereabouts has the name SOUTHEE been recently mentioned on this board? I've done a scan and could find nothing. On Australian death certificates the children's names are mentioned, and according to a relative who is also seeking Lily Myrtle Mabel, Lily's name is mentioned as being a child from Alfred John's first marriage to Matilda Simpson.
Regards
Rachel
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http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,329618.0.html
Are you sure they weren't mixing Lilas and Lily up ?
So the Aussie site is wrong ?
Alfred and Sarah SOUTHEE married 1913
George and Matilda Ann SIMPSON married 1913
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http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,329618.0.html
Are you sure they weren't mixing Lilas and Lily up ?
So the Aussie site is wrong ?
Alfred and Sarah SOUTHEE married 1913
George and Matilda Ann SIMPSON married 1913
Perhaps Lilias and Lily were mixed up - being a death certificate, the main source of information (ie. John) isn't around to verify... but I had to ask on the off-chance that somebody knew something.
What Aussie site?
Yes, Alfred John and Matilda married their second spouses in 1913
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Sorry, Traceys website .
thought it was Aussie ?
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It's Joanne Warby's website (http://jo.warby.markingtime.bigpondhosting.com). Though an excellent website, that bit about Lilias could quite possibly be wrong...
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what about the Tracey Lemke one ?
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I haven't heard about that one...
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Lily Myrtle Mabel Southee is my mother's step-sister. Lily is the daughter of Alfred John Southee and Matilda Ann Simpson, married 15 Aug 1899 in Wellington, New Zealand. This marriage did not work out and they were divorced on 5 Mar 1913. They had two children Lily Myrtle Mabel, b. c1901 in New Zealand and Alfred David Southee, b. 1 Apr 1912 in Upper Hutt, New Zealand and died c1912 Upper Hutt, New Zealand.
Alfred Southee remarried to a Sara Southee on 16 Apr 1913 and then immigrated to Stanthorpe, Queensland, Australia leaving Lily Myrtle Mabel behind in New Zealand with her mother, Matilda. Does onyone have any information on what became of Lily? :(
Any information greatly appreaciated,
AussieMan
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Hi aussieman,
Welcome aboard. Hopefully Rachel will see this and then you camn find out more
Newbe
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Hi Newbe
I think 'aussieman' is Ken? If so, hello Ken! We're trying to uncover this mystery - so if anyone out there knows anything, any leads would be appreciated!
Thanks!
Rachel :)
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http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/l/e/m/Tracy-P-Lemke/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-Index.html
???
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Hello everyone
the birth printout for Lilias Ann Southee arrived today, and she IS the daughter of Alfred John Southee (though his middle name is given as WEBB - his mother's maiden name) and Matilda Ann Simpson.
Mystery solved!
Many thanks
Rachel
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Hi Rachel,
In case you are still interested in
1903/3751 Southee Lily Myrtle Mabel Mother: Sarah
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Thanks for that, Southee!
I don't have a Lily Myrtle Mabel Southee in my tree at all, though I have come across her before. I have a Lily Myrtle Southee, b 1889, daughter of Robert Southee and Jane WEBB....
I wonder what her mother's maiden name was? ... hmmmm.... time to have a look-sey in the online NZ BMD website for possibilities!
Thanks
Rachel
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her other was Sarah Southee cousin to Alfred whom she later married
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Hi
are you talking about Sarah Southee, daughter of George Southee and Emma Hedges?
That Sarah was born 16 Oct 1892, and would make her too young to have had Lily Myrtle Mabel Southee (whose birth was registered in 1903).
Alfred John Southee's first wife was Matilda Simpson, and they had a daughter named Lilias Ann Southee (b 25 Jun 1900). Lilias married Thomas Guthrie, and then Stanley Ernest Adlam. Are you confusing Lilias with Lily perhaps? :-\
Cheers
Rachel
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Hi Rachel,
Carol Here.
I see what you mean, but all my records are down home. Have a look for yourself,(see web address below) also you will find Patricia's death in 1920. I suppose it could Sarah Alf and my grandads Charles sister Sarah. Will think about this, still need to get at my records.
Catch u l8r
http://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.identityservices.govt.nz/home/
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p.s.: I have just noticed Sarah Ann md in 1904 so it could be her
1904/5986 Sarah Ann Sophia Southee md Emanuel Floyd
also there is another Child showing mother Sarah Ann
1898/81 Southee Joseph Robert Mother Sarah Ann Father NR. Joseph I found did in 1906. One of my Uncles born a few years later was named Joseph Robert John Charles which was a habit of my granddads to name the children after other family. One of my Aunties was name Isabel Sarah Annie. So I do get a bit confused.
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Hi there
following you now :D
So your Uncle and Auntie were children of Charles Edward and Ellen Jane Southee (nee Jones)? I descend from Henry Alfred and Annie Theresa Southee (nee Blake), Charles' brother.
I'll scout around more information now
Regards
Rachel
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Hello
I am researching Albert Edward Roscoe a brother of Frederick William Roscoe.
Can you please help me.
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Albert Edward Roscoe is being covered elsewhere, so no need to answer on this thread and waste resources...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,460188.0.html
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Looking for the daughter of Emmanuel floyd, married to Sarah Ann Southee 1904. According to his death cert he had a daughter 40 years at his time of death. On NZ births deaths and marriages a Sarah Southee had a daughter lily myrtle maude, 1903, no father registered. But this fits in with the death cert info. I see there seems to be a pattern with family names. Does any one have any knowledge of this lily.