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Looking for any census, B,M or D details for Joseph Willocks b. 1873 and married to Katherine McCann in 1898 (?), residing in Preston around early 1900's
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Hi Iddon,
The 1901 census (do yuo have the details yet?) shows him born Preston, so this looks like a good bet for his birth:
Joseph Willocks
Jun 1871 Preston 8e 579
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Marriage Joseph Willocks and Catherine McCann sept 1898
Preston Lancashire 8e 1151
Pam
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Possible in 1881 - not much help ( :P)
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=11867453
RG11/4234 94 9
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death
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1925 sept quarter 8a 167
born 1874 died 1925
Joseph Willocks age 51 Bucklow Cheshire/Lancashire
Pam
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Thanks
Any suggestions on how to locate their respective parents?
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Get the marriage cert to discover their fathers' names? :-\
Added:
Or better maybe, his birth cert.
This looks like a good match for Catherine in 1881
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=11903077
RG11/4240 75 8
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Does anyone have 1901 census details as to where they were living in Preston?
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Yes :)
1901
RG13/3949 24 39
Preston, Lancashire
50 Haydock St
4 rooms occupied
Joseph Willocks, head, 29, Wood Sawyer, b. Preston
Catherine do., wife, 25, Cotton Weaver, b. do.
Joseph Albert do., son, 9 months, b. do.
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Is it possible to locate Joseph in the 1891, 1881 and 1871 census's?
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I sent you a link to what I think is him in 1881:
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=11867453
If you can't open above link then this should work
http://www.rootschat.com/links/04ex/
Can't see him in 1891 and I don't think he was born in 1871 :-\
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Hi Iddon,
I've just found your posting from last year regarding Joseph Willocks. He married Catherine McCann, the sister of my gt-grandfather, Hugh McCann, at St Walburge's, Preston, on 24 Sept 1898. On the marriage certificate his father is stated to be John Willocks, stonemason's labourer. I've only just started looking for Joseph's family but I've not had much luck so far. Have you acquired any further info since last year?
Kath
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Parents of Joseph Willocks as transcribed from birth certificate. Joseph was born in April 1872 and his birth was reigstered in June 1872
Father: John, Brickmaker
Mother: Elizabeth, nee Cusick
Lancs BMD Record office had some difficulty locating the certificate as it had been mis-transcribed as "Willucks". From the information we hace on this family it is evident that their surnames were subject to a number of variations Cusick has been previously transcribed as Cusic.
Any suggestions where a marriage for John and Elizabeth can be retrieved?
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What was the address on the cert?
I can see one John/Elizabeth Willocks couple in Preston in 1871, but John's occupation is different, and the mother (in law?)'s name is not what we were expecting. They're at 5 Mount Pleasant.
(Happy to post details if the address is the same RG10/4206 61 32)
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Just seen your posting Tati, found them 1871 census yesterday and likewise thought it a little odd that the mother-in-law name now shown as Cross and not Cusic (or Cusick) as marriage register indicated, presumably she must have re-married. The information from the census also seems to concur with the fact that living family had advised that they ha their origins in County Durham and Ireland/
Other than daughter Elizabeth I caanot find any of them in 1881 census. Curious to establish which relative Elizabeth Carroll belongs to.
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There are possible deaths for the parents between 1871 and 1881.
Maybe Ann Cross was Joseph's remarried mother after all, because the person Joseph is with in 1881 is an Elizabeth Cusic.
I haven't been able to find Miss Carroll in 1861 either :(
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Could you post the possible death dates of the parents? Are they registered in Preston?
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Elizabeths in Preston
Elizabeth Wilcock age 36
Mar 1873 Preston 8e 421
Elizabeth Wilcock age 42
Sep 1879 Preston 8e 340
There's no John in Preston but a few others elsewhere in Lancashire. Doesn't help that their name is spelt in so many different ways! I see Christinas birth was registered as Christiana Willox.
You didn't say whether Joseph's birth was registered in Mount Pleasant?
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I think Joseph's birth is registered as Mount Street but I need to cross-check the certificate this evening. There are 2 addresses that this family are at, Mount Pleasant ad Mount Street, from 1871 census and the birth certificate.
The death dates of Elizabeth give little away, both dates point towards birth date around 1838 as per 1871 census.
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Now have info' from another researcher who has found John and Elizabeth living at 33 Park Gate in Darlington from 1861 census and under the name Wilcox with daughters Margaret, Matilda and Mary.
Now looking for the marriage date of John and Elizabeth.
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based on our earlier discussion, I dont think they married .....
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Elizabeths in Preston
Elizabeth Wilcock age 36
Mar 1873 Preston 8e 421
Elizabeth Wilcock age 42
Sep 1879 Preston 8e 340
There's no John in Preston but a few others elsewhere in Lancashire. Doesn't help that their name is spelt in so many different ways! I see Christinas birth was registered as Christiana Willox.
You didn't say whether Joseph's birth was registered in Mount Pleasant?
Fairly sure Joseph's birth registered in Mount Pleasant. I can't locate Christiana's birth can you post the details and those that you have found for Matilda residing on North Road
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Christiana Willox
Sep 1867 Auckland 10a 182
:)
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Re. Matilda Willettss in 1881 Preston Census, just noticed that she is residing with a family surnamed Norcross. Is it possible that there is a transcription error in 1871 census regarding mother-in-law as Ann Cross??
Where could I view the original census transcriptions?
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It says mother for Ann Cross, not mother in law.
Where could I view the original census transcriptions?
The original image, you mean? Only available on pay sites I'm afraid. Get a 14 days free trial to ancestry, maybe? (You'll still have to give them your credit card details though)
I can confirm it's clearly Ann Cross
:)
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OK, so I am right in thinking that Joseph's father John takes a second partner/wife, Ann Cross, his former partner/wife was Elizabeth Cusic (or Cusick), and is the mother to all of John’s children and
her mother, and John's first Mother-in-law, is also an Elizabeth Cusic.
"Preserved Killick" suggested earlier that John and Elizabeth may not have married, and the time of the census which introduces Ann Cross she and John were also were not married. Would this not be unusual? Is Ann of English or Irish descent?
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Now you've lost me! Did I misunderstand when you said you had the 1871 census details earlier? Ann Cross was shown from Ireland.
Also, why think John left Elizabeth for Ann Cross when Ann Cross is shown as John's mother on the census? ???
Unusual not to marry - yes and no. More unusual than people who were actually married, but not at all unheard of.
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A oversight on my part
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Marriage date for John Wilcock and Elizabeth nee Chusick 26 May 1851 Parish Church Bentham, Settle Union, West Riding Yorkshire. Father of John is George, Father of Elizabeth is William.