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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: bellbird on Saturday 27 September 08 01:03 BST (UK)
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I have found some photos in my Mothers photo album which include photos labelled Basil and Fred, Eric and Edie, Fred, Basil Edie and Eric, on same page is Ray who is standing with Prize Cups he had won. It would appear that Basil is the father of Fred, Eric could either be a brother or son of Fred and Ray a son of either Fred or Eric. I am very keen to see where they fit in with my mother's family as they are referred to as cousins Her parents were Samuel and Elizabeth Cranch who originally lived and had their 8 children in the Carterton area from where a number of the children married and the others married from Cambridge area where their parents moved. There must have been a close relationship between the families for photos to be in the family album and for studio photos to be sent to Elizabeth Cranch and family. One studio photo is of a young Fred Cranch with his wife and two boys, their names confuse me a bit as the toddler is Basil and the baby old enough to be sitting is Eric. A big question for me who was Basil's father. I have come across a William Cranch who married a Miss Goldsworthy and had a daughter Maria at Thames dated 1868, they are also a puzzle. It appears from an English Chatroom that Maria is connected to someone in France who has not responded to the email my English connection sent, but who had expressed interest in Maria's parents names. Any help would be much appreciated. BELLBIRD
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Hi Bellbird
Not sure if these two marriage records, might give some clues ?
Frederick George CRANCH ( "Fred and Edie" ? )
Edith Annie JAMES
Year - 1913 (Folio # 6284)
Basil Ian CRANCH
Marie Ailsa WEBB
Year - 1938 (Folio # 04850)
Lu
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The "Studio" photos you mention .... can you let us know the name of studio or photographer ... and also what era these photos are from please ?
Lu
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Hi Bellbird
Frederick and Edith ("Fred and Edie") CRANCH are both buried at Waikumete Cemetery, Auckland.
The cemetery record at (Waitakere) website has an added note regarding the wording on a plaque ... it identifies Fred and Edith as the parents of "Basil, Eric and Ray". :)
Lu
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Waikumete cemetery records >>
http://www.waitakere.govt.nz/cnlser/cm/cemeterysearch/default.aspx
Records for Basil and Eric - also there.
(I'm still hunting to find "Ray" for you).
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Whats the age for RAY?
There is SAMUEL RAYMOND CRANCH Cr Manuakau memorial 1987
or is that the father?
Bye
Althea
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Good work Althea. :)
(I hadn't got beyond looking at Waikumete Cem.)
This marriage too :
Samuel Raymond George CRANCH
Connie DAUPHIN
Year - 1953 (Folio# 03330) (Same chap ??? )
ALSO (another marriage)
Raymond James CRANCH
June Rose WILSON
Year - 1948 (Folio # 01436)
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Hi Bellbird
Here's the slightly confusing bit. ???
Were there TWO chaps named "Basil CRANCH" ... born about the same time ??
I've just looked at the entry in IGI (familysearch.org) ... "Basil CRANCH - born 11 May 1914 - Mt. Eden, Auckland - died 30 April, 1938 - parents Frederick George and Edith Annie" :
(OK, this is a submitted entry, which should be treated with caution).
AND .... Basil Ian CRANCH - died Auckland, 5 March 2006 - 91 years - (born circa 1914-15). ???
(From Waikumete cemetery record ) :
(A check of the Birth and Death Indexes should sort this out). :)
Lu
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Just some incidental info ...
A record for a "Samuel George CRANCH" (1914-18) at the Auckland War Memorial Museum website, shows the next-of-kin for this Samuel as being
"F. G. CRANCH (brother), Mt. Eden, Auckland" (Frederick George - perhaps ??) :
(There is a further address which shows - "The Avenue, Mt. Eden") .
Lu
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Who are Sam Cranchs parents ?
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Hi Bellbird
Samuel Raymond George CRANCH - died 19 November 1987 - aged 68 (born circa 1919).
Cemetery record here ...
http://property.hauraki-dc.govt.nz/cemetery/by_surname.asp
Lu
Added: Manukau Memorial Gardens (Althea's posting earlier) - have record for the cremation of Samuel R.G. CRANCH on 23 November 1987:
His ashes were buried 25 February 1988 at Pukerimu Lawn Cemetery (details at above link):
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Thanks Lucy 2 for your efforts. Answers to your ?s While remember - who is Sam's parents, if what is on the board is right the same a Freds and that i don't know, would like to know. I think we have the right folk, in Frederick George married Edith Annie James in 1913 and Basil Ian married Marie Ailsa Webb 1938.(Name Webb reminds me there is more to do on Mum's Mum's side, they are Webbs which are causing a some problems or playing hard to find. The photo Studio name is hard to read, looks like it was written in pencil, try Deb then possibly 3 more letters Auckland. You asked what the clothing looked like in Fred's young family group. It looks of older style. His collar looks a stiff upright one with the tie visible all round, he also wears a button hole in his suit jacket. Her hair is short, shorter than the toddlers, she is dressed in long sleeved blouse and skirt with fine lines down it. Older boy Basil has blonde bushy hair and 3/4 length sleeve romper suit without waist, socks and shoes with strap across. (Basil) . Baby Eric sitting on Mum's knee appears to have a lacey collar on his top and sort of short length pants. The wife's facial feature appears similar to the later photo when children are grown up. Regardless of the first Basil's entry being submitted I feel it is the right one as parent's names tie up. You mentioned a check of Birth and Death Indexes - you've got a real novice here - how do you do that? Re Samuel George Cranch and the WW1 reference of 1914-1919 in the
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It might be a good idea to put these families into perspective before we waste time chasing our tails :)
Mention has been made on this thread (and another) of the William CRANCH/Mary GOLDSWORTHY family - they are not in this line at all. If anyone wants info on that line - let me know.
From my research so far ( and I welcome corrections) this particular line is best described, briefly, as:
Generation One
1. William Cranch, born 1796 in South Milton, Devon, (son of Joseph Cranch and Mary Quarm) baptized 8 Jan 1797 in South Milton, Devon, died Qtr 3 1871 in West Alvington, Devon, occupation Labourer & sexton.
He married Maria Hodge, married 4 June 1827 in Diptford, Devon.
(eldest Child of eight)
i. Samuel Cranch born 1827, baptized 11 Nov 1827 in West Alvington, Devon. He married (1) Sarah Jane Gill, married Qtr 4 1852 in South Huish, Devon. He married (2) Ann Elizabeth Gillard, married 1877, born 1827 in East Portlemouth, Devon, died Qtr 1 1888.
Generation Two
Samuel Cranch born 1827 married (1) Sarah Jane Gill
Children:
i. William Gill Cranch born Qtr 1 1853.
ii. Samuel Cranch born Qtr 1 1855.
iii. Susan Gill Cranch, born Qtr 1 1855, baptized 1 Apl 1855 in South Huish, Devon.
iv. Mary Jane Cranch, born 1857, baptized 27 Sept 1857 in South Huish, Devon.
v. John William Cranch, born Qtr 1 1860, baptized 27 May 1860 in South Huish, Devon.
vi. Sarah Elizabeth Cranch, born Qtr 1 1860, baptized 27 May 1860 in South Huish, Devon.
vii. George Wills Gill Cranch, born Qtr 2 1862, baptized 3 Aug 1862 in South Huish, Devon, died Qtr 3 1883.
viii. Maria Cranch, born 1865, baptized 22 Jan 1865 in South Huish, Devon.
Generation Three
William Gill Cranch, born Qtr 1 1853, baptized 3 Apl 1853 in South Huish, Devon, occupation Carter, Ag Lab, Coal worker.
He married Sarah Ann Hales, married Qtr 3 1876, born 1855 in Kingswear, Dev.
Children:
i. Sarah Maria Cranch, born Qtr 1 1877 in Dartmouth, Devon, occupation 1891 - Servant.
ii. William Henry Cranch, born Qtr 2 1880 in Kingsbridge or Dartmouth, Devon.
iii. Frederick George Cranch born Qtr 3 1881, died 16 Nov 1956 in NZ, occupation Sailmaker, then Machinist.
He married Edith Anne James, married 1913 in New Zealand, died 25 March 1972 in NZ.
iv. Caroline Mabel Cranch, born Qtr 3 1883 in Dartmouth, Devon.
v. Mary Grace Cranch, born Qtr 2 1885 in Dartmouth, Devon.
vi. Edward John Cranch born Qtr 3 1887.
vii. Samuel Gill Cranch, born Qtr 4 1889 in Dartmouth, Devon, buried 1 July 1962 in NZ, buried in Waikumete Cemetery, NZ, occupation Farmer.
viii. Bertha Florence Cranch, born Qtr 4 1891 in Dartmouth, Devon
ix. Minnie Maud Cranch, born Qtr 1 1895 in Dartmouth, Devon
Samuel Cranch, born Qtr 1 1855 in South Huish, Devon, baptized 1 Apl 1855 in South Huish, Devon, died 31 Jan 1919 in New Zealand, occupation 1871 - Ag Lab, buried in Hamilton East Cemetery, Hamilton.
He married Elizabeth Webb, married 1 May 1880 in Wellington, New Zealand, died 8 Jan 1940 buried in Hamilton.
Children:
i. Thomas Norman Cranch, born 23 Sept 1896 in Carterton, Wellington, NZ, died 1 Jan 1973.
ii. Elizabeth Ethel Cranch, born Sept 1881 in Wellington, NZ, died 1945.
She married Frank Roland Harrison, married 1904 in Wellington, NZ.
iii. William Samuel John Cranch born Mar 1884, died 13 Jan1959.
He married Ada Florence Reynolds, married 29 Oct 1910 in Te Aroha, Auckland, NZ
iv. Florence Beatrice Cranch, born Dec 1885 in Wellington, NZ.
She married Alfred Dalton Fielder, married 1916 in Hamilton, NZ.
v. Lily Myrtle Cranch, born Dec 1887 in Wellington, NZ.
She married William Bowring, married 1912 in Wellington, NZ.
vi. Ida Alma Cranch, born Sept 1890 in Carterton, Wellington, NZ.
She married Vivian Hazeldean Knight, married 1914 in Hamilton, NZ.
vii. Harold George Cranch born 1892, died 1976.
He married Mary Gertrude Edge.
viii. Annie Muriel Cranch, born Jan 1891 in Carterton, Wellington, NZ, died 1991.
She married William Robert Norman Warren, married 1921 in Auckland, NZ.
This last child baffles me - it is an IGI( ;)) entry. Bellbird mentions that the final child is a Vera CRANCH who married a BOND. Would love clarification on the Annie Muriel/Vera dilemma.
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A birthdate for a VERA CRANCH is
12 Oct 1904
attended Belvedere school Wairarapa NZ, parent listed as SAMUEL CRANCH
Looks like she may not have married or married then, it has spinster but marriage date also: VERA EVELYN MONA CRANCH, land transmission document 24 June 1942
Bye
Althea
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Thanks for that, Althea.
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Wow .... Cranchresearcher !
Welcome to RootsChat. :) Great information !
Just adding link to Bellbird's previous thread (which contains references to "Vera").
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?action=post;topic=325476.msg2063898
Lu
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Generation Three
vii. Samuel Gill CRANCH
(adding marriage) >>
Samuel Gill CRANCH
Violet Beatrice HUGHES
Year - 1920 (Folio # 04951)
(Violet Beatrice CRANCH - also buried at Waikumete Cemetery, Auckland) :
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(for Bellbird)
Link to Auckland Museum (Cenotaph database)
.... record for Samuel George CRANCH
http://muse.aucklandmuseum.com/databases/general/basicsearch.aspx?Dataset=cenotaph
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Question :
Is .....
Samuel George CRANCH (who according to the record on Auckland cenotaph database, names next-of-kin as "F.G. CRANCH (brother)" )
the same person as ...
Samuel Gill CRANCH - buried (soliders' section - his military reg. number is not given) - 1 July 1962, Waikumete Cemetery, Auckland : ??? ???
[Note: Archives NZ hold a military file for "Samuel George CRANCH - 4/980 (1914-18) " : (This file has a viewing restriction on it) . There doesn't appear to be a military record in the name of "Samuel Gill CRANCH ? ]
Lu
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Hello Lu,
Thanks for the welcome!
I can say with certainty that Frederick George CRANCH's brother was Samuel Gill CRANCH.
Samuel Gill CRANCH has a probate dated 1962, which ties in with the name of Samuel Gill CRANCH whose ashes are in the Soldiers' section.
My guess is that the ref to Samuel George CRANCH in the Cenotaph database is either a mis-transcription or straight error.
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Cranch Researcher Thanks for your input, you've solved one problem I had that was photos I had of Fred Cranch, Mum label also contained my cousin but maybe it should be Uncle if he is her Father Samuel's brother. Will need to look at the Family Tree I was provided with as there maybe a discrepancy with the earlier folk. Get back to you on that. I will l have to search shipping passenger lists to see when these folk,arrived in NZ. Samuel (born 1855) has no date of entry to NZ that I know of as he jumped ship and swam ashore to travel around under the name Billy Hare until someone convinced him to tell the family her was alive Samuel Gill (here is a record of Samuel George who is said to be brother to Fred in War Memorial WW1 records, Fred being next of kin. To Samuels and Elizabeth's children. Annie Muriel Cranch born Jan 1891 at Carterton is a real mystery to me. Will contact the Researcher at Carterton and see what if anything she can find. Mum never mentioned there being a child of that name. Their 8th child was my Mother, Vera Evelyn Mona Cranch born in 12/10/1904, she married my father Joseph Bond on 24/6/1942 and died in 1970 (can't get to room with death record as someone sleeping there will send it later) after a number of the children were married from Carterton the family moved up to Cambridge and after her mother died my mother Vera moved to Auckland where she met my father and married, when I was 3 they moved down to Nelson where they lived until their deaths. I am Mum's only child, Dad had one from first marriage, none from his third, not what it sounds like, he outlived all three, not bad for someone told at 40 they could die any time. My input to Lucy 2 was interupted mid way when my computer keyboard seized up hence no sign off or completed message. Could you please advise place of birth for Frederick George Cranch a number of others said to be born at Dartmouth, was he also.? BELLBIRD
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Lucy 2 Sorry I didn't get the full message to your last night, my computer keyboard seized up and I couldn't type anything. I was not amused as the saying goes. ::) I think I was talking about Fred Cranchs family photo. Presume you can read what Cranch Researcher has to say. The Samuel George which appears to be a family name differs from name C Researcher has which is Samuel Gill strange with our name at the War Memorial being said to be Fred's brother. The Mt Eden context seems to fit in too. Basil was said to be at Mt Eden as was his Dad Fred. If you can read the Family tree offered by C Researcher you'll see who their father is. Would like to know when they arrived in NZ so could track down their port of entry and any other s they brought with them. Samuel Gill is said to be buried in same Cemetery mentioned by you. A bit of a puzzle. Oh yes said something about a check of birth and death indexes. You've got a complete novice here, what and where are they and how do you get the information, do you have to pay for it? Will need to go over my info, your info and Cranch Researchers and try and get my mind around it. Will get back to you later. Thanks for all you help
now and maybe in the future BELLBIRD
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Sorry, Bellbird, maybe my ramble wasn't clear. It doesn't help having so many Sams in the family!
Frederick George CRANCH and Samuel Gill CRANCH were the sons of William Gill CRANCH, who was the brother of Samuel CRANCH, b 1855.
Therefore Fred was your Samuel's nephew and, consequently, your mother's cousin.
And, yes, Fred was born in Dartmouth also. Both he and Samuel Gill CRANCH are in Dartmouth in 1901 with their parents.
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great Cranch R,
Seems perfect, Bellbirds mum having photos of cousins family, :)
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Hi (Ms) Cranch researcher
Mmmm ... really just threw the "question" in to highlight that there was an anomaly.
But of course I don't doubt your most impressive and very thorough research. :) :) :)
I'm guessing the error ("George v. Gill") may have occurred when army attestation papers were filled out (questions and answers ... the attending official wrote it all down and the poor solider, simply signed on the dotted line ) ?
Lu
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Lucy 2 Sorry I didn't get the full message to your last night, my computer keyboard seized up and I couldn't type anything. I was not amused as the saying goes. ::)
I think I was talking about Fred Cranchs family photo.
Oh yes said something about a check of birth and death indexes. You've got a complete novice here, what and where are they and how do you get the information, do you have to pay for it?
Hi Bellbird
Mmm... got a bit of a cranky computer myself, at the moment, so didn't get back to answer your earlier question.
The Birth, Death and Marriages Indexes :
I'm not sure whereabouts you are in NZ, but if you live handy to a fairly major library, then you should be able to access the BDM indexes there. (No, there's no charge and a librarian will be able to explain the process to you).
I've checked the Birth Index for Basil / Ray and Eric, today (so you don't need to worry about looking them up, this time around). Will post info here, shortly.
Lu
PS : Bellbird ... meant to congratulate you on your great descriptions of the photos ! :)
How lucky you are to have such treasures ? :)
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To Samuels and Elizabeth's children. Annie Muriel Cranch born Jan 1891 at Carterton is a real mystery to me. ...... Mum never mentioned there being a child of that name.
1919 Auckland East Electoral Roll
CRANCH, Annie Muriel - Public Hospital, Park road, spinster
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From NZ Birth Index
1914 - CRANCH* - Basil Ian - (Folio # 1813) - Reg. at Auckland - 2nd Quarter :
[* Note: This birth appears on Index under the surname "CRAUCH" - a mistranscription ?]
1916 - CRANCH - Eric Roy - (Folio # 70) - Reg. at Auckland - 1 Q :
1919 - CRANCH - Samuel Raymond George - (Folio # 392) - reg. at Te Aroha - 1 Q :
Also ... these births (in case you need them) ...
1914 - CRANCH* - Zelda Floris - (Folio # 1902) Reg. at Cambridge - 2 Q :
[* Note: This was also listed under "CRAUCH", however there was a handwritten amendment on the index showing "CRANCH - Zelda Floris" ] :
1916 - CRANCH - Cecil Alvin William - (Folio # 410) - Reg. at Te Aroha - 1 Q :
[These were all the CRANCH births registered between 1914 and 1920] :
Lu
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(Edited to remove message which got posted twice).
Blimey .... RC was really in "meltdown mode" early this morning ! (Any one else have trouble hooking up ?)
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1919 Auckland East Electoral Roll
CRANCH, Annie Muriel - Public Hospital, Park road, spinster
And we can confirm that Annie Muriel was a Nurse.....................
AUCKLAND WEEKLY NEWS
NURSES
RESULTS OF EXAMINATIONS
1918
NURSES’ EXAMINATIONS [AWN 01.08.1918] p.22
CRANCH, Annie M (Auckland)
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From NZ Birth Index
1914 - CRANCH* - Basil Ian - (Folio # 1813) - Reg. at Auckland - 2nd Quarter :
1916 - CRANCH - Eric Roy - (Folio # 70) - Reg. at Auckland - 1 Q :
1919 - CRANCH - Samuel Raymond George - (Folio # 392) - reg. at Te Aroha - 1 Q :
1914 - CRANCH* - Zelda Floris - (Folio # 1902) Reg. at Cambridge - 2 Q :
1916 - CRANCH - Cecil Alvin William - (Folio # 410) - Reg. at Te Aroha - 1 Q :
Thanks Lu,
From these refs we can group these offspring into the following families (and without certs or bapt details this is an assumption!):
Frederick George CRANCH/Edith Ann JAMES
1914 Basil Ian
1916 Eric Roy
?? Raymond James
William Samuel John CRANCH/Ada Florence REYNOLDS (both buried Pukerimu Lawn Cemetery)
1916 Cecil Alvin William d 1921 (buried Pukerimu Lawn Cemetery)
1919 Raymond Samuel George d 1987 (buried Pukerimu Lawn Cemetery)
However, Zelda Floris is on her own for the moment!
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Thanks Lu,
From these refs we can group these offspring into the following families (and without certs or bapt details this is an assumption!):
Frederick George CRANCH/Edith Ann JAMES
1914 Basil Ian
1916 Eric Roy
?? R ..... J......
Hi (Ms) CR
Mmmm ... yep, the Te Aroha birth - Samuel Raymond George (1919) did actually register as being "not quite the right son" for Frederick George and Edith Annie CRANCH, given that I'd already found these people on Grey Lynn Electoral Roll 1919 and 1922 (at 6 The Avenue, Wynyard Road, Mount Eden). But didn't get the opportunity to look again at the birth index yesterday (a right ol' bun-fight going on for the use of two manky 'fiche readers at the library). :D
So now looking for birth of a ? ? ? ? CRANCH .. after 1920.
;)
Edited to remove name of a "possibly still living" person :
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From NZ Birth Index
1914 - CRANCH* - Zelda Floris - (Folio # 1902) Reg. at Cambridge - 2 Q :
NZ Marriage Index
Zelda Floris CRANCH
Clifford Ralph CAVANAGH - Year 1940 (Folio# 05476)
Manukau Memorial Gardens Cemetery database
CAVANAGH - Zelda Floris - d. 19 November 1991 (Crem.)
Probate Records - Archives NZ (Auckland)
CAVANAGH - Zelda Floris, Weymouth, widow - 1991
CAVANAGH - Clifford Ralph, Weymouth, retired - 1981
Lu
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Hi (Ms) CR
Have just edited my Reply # 31 (and also altered your quote, which I'd used), re: the "still to be identified" 3rd son of Frederick George and Edith Annie CRANCH. I've removed the christian names because (having just viewed the NZ telephone directory), there is a very real chance, that this chappie may still be living ? ;)
Lu
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Magic Lu, Thanks for the edit!
I do hope that Bellbird is happy with this progress - she's gone quiet. Digesting the info, maybe :)
Re Zelda Floris:
We'll get to the bottom of that one in no time. Thanks for the refs
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Hi everyone,
Just wondered if there is any extra info on;
Harold George Cranch (1892-1976) who married Mary Gertrude Edge.
Like to know where they lived as I have some Edges from Cambridge, N.Z. in my Tree in that timeframe.
Hi Bellbird ;)
Trish
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Nothing more on Harold George yet - but stick around...........we'll get to him! :)
Keep a close eye on both threads.
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Harold George Cranch (1892-1976) who married Mary Gertrude Edge.
Like to know where they lived as I have some Edges from Cambridge, N.Z. in my Tree in that timeframe.
Trish
Hi Trish
Archives NZ hold probate records for both the above :
CRANCH - Harold George - of Tirau, formerly of Te Aroha - 1976
CRANCH - Mary Gertrude - Te Aroha - 1971 :
(Looks like Harold may have moved to Tirau (South Waikato) following the death of Mary ? Perhaps they had children or other family there ?) :
Lu
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Hi Lu,
Just clutching at straws :D
Just wondered if Gertrude could be a sister of Frank Edge who married my fathers sister Margaret. All of this side of the family have links to the Tirau,, Cambridge, Hamilton area.
Not really important, just if something comes up. Always looking for possible photos of family branches as I have very few.
Dont have Franks details to hand, got to go out, day off.
Trish
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Hi Trish
Mary Gertrude EDGE m. Harold George CRANCH - 1924 [Folio # 09194]
(Submitted entry IGI - Mary Gertrude - born 1895 at Hamilton)
[Frank Edge m. Margaret Ann Cummins - 1936 (F # 084 24):
Hope this helps. :)
Lu
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Thanks Lu,
I have tracked down a couple of Edge descendants just this week and am meeting up with one of them in Nov. in Auckland.
They are not into research as such, but will see what I can find out then about Frank. Could possibly be a brother of Mary Gertrude ;)
Cheers,
Trish
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Trish I have address of a son of Harold Cranch who married Mary Gertrude Edge, they live at Tirau as does the son. Harold was an Uncle of mine not that I ever met him that I was old enough to know. BELLBIRD
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Hi Bellbird,
Have sent you a P.M. with my email address.
Trish
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Lucy 2 You're right, Fred's son is still alive although rather elderly, Samuel Gills son has contacted me after his sister saw ad in NZ Womens Weekly. They are in contact with Ray. SGs son says he has alot of info and photos of churches and places ancestors came from. He said his father Samuel Gill arrived in NZ on Athenic in 1907 and a surprise/ shock for Adele Another Cranch!!!!!) Just solved Anne Muriel problem and up I come with another Cranch which local folk don't seem to know of name Cranch at all!! Harold George Cranch an Uncle, his daughter in law contacted me enthusiatic but since silence has reigned, no response to an email. So no further there currently. Still have to chase the other names you and Althea came up with. Got all my downloaded messages sorted now so much easier to check on who said what, who wanted what etc.
Trying to be efficient :-\ ::) BELLBIRD
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Hi Bellbird
That's GREAT news ! :)
Glad to hear all these "rellies" are emerging and providing the much needed information.
Yes, I know what it's like too, when you get swamped with lots of info ... all at once ! ::) But sounds like you've got things all nicely organised now ... good on you ! :)
Lu
PS: Re: Ray ... will PM you his info from Birth Index (shouldn't put it here, as he is still living).
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Hi Lucy 2 The Computer asked me if I wanted to look at a PM I pushed Ok and only the open site came up and I can't get it to show me your message. Is there someway I can get it to show it to me. Maybe I can learn how to send them and then you get my email address and send me the info. It's done it to me the lost two PM messages I was sent. One later turned up on other site, fortunately wasn't anything that shouldn't be seen by anyone. BELLBIRD
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Hi Bellbird
Sorry .... but haven't sent you the PM, yet ... got side-tracked with something else. :D
BUT ... it's coming down the line to you, right now !
Lu
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I have found some photos in my Mothers photo album which include photos labelled Basil and Fred, Eric and Edie, Fred, Basil Edie and Eric, on same page is Ray who is standing with Prize Cups he had won. It would appear that Basil is the father of Fred, Eric could either be a brother or son of Fred and Ray a son of either Fred or Eric. I am very keen to see where they fit in with my mother's family as they are referred to as cousins Her parents were Samuel and Elizabeth Cranch who originally lived and had their 8 children in the Carterton area from where a number of the children married and the others married from Cambridge area where their parents moved. There must have been a close relationship between the families for photos to be in the family album and for studio photos to be sent to Elizabeth Cranch and family. One studio photo is of a young Fred Cranch with his wife and two boys, their names confuse me a bit as the toddler is Basil and the baby old enough to be sitting is Eric. A big question for me who was Basil's father. I have come across a William Cranch who married a Miss Goldsworthy and had a daughter Maria at Thames dated 1868, they are also a puzzle. It appears from an English Chatroom that Maria is connected to someone in France who has not responded to the email my English connection sent, but who had expressed interest in Maria's parents names. Any help would be much appreciated. BELLBIRD
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Bellbird.
The Cranch Family you are trying to get in touch with is my family, Raymond James
Cranch is my Father he is 86years old lives in Auckland New Zealand and is the sole surviving brother of Eric & Basil.
Any other information you might need let me know. Photo is of my father with the Govener-general of New Zealand dad is on the right with my 4th sister, on the left my son in uniform with my oldest sister.
Janice Cranch
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Morning Isaac James Great to get your message, I knew of your father, through some photos in an album of Mum's. He appeared to be much younger than Basil and Eric hence I had a puzzle for awhile until I found through a letter drop I made to some Cranch Families in the White Pages Ivan who said Ray was Fred Cranch's boy and brother to Eric and Basil. which solved the problem for me. He said was in contact with Ray. It is strange for me regardless of the big age gap Ray is of my generation, his father being my Grandfather's nephew. Ivan is the son of Samuel Gill who landed in NZ in 1907. I don't have any info on your family apart from small snap shots of Fred with Edie and Basil and Eric, two other of Ray with Cups. Fred sent my grandmother and mother a studio photo of himself and and one of him, his wife and the two boys very young, well before Ray's arrival it would appear. Being a rather late arrival in her family all Mum's brother and sisters were married by the time she was 11 she said and a number of her nieces and nephews were older than she was. One story was of her and nephew Rusty travelling on the train together (school I think) "Rusty's gotta girl" the boys teased, "Tain't me girl, its me Aunty " was the reply. Thanks for the photo, what did your father get the medal for? I have trouble sending emails of photos it would appear, I send them to ............. from me but like the cat they keep coming back. I'd be pleased to receive family info. If you wish to exchange photos and other material maybe we will need to revert to snail mail. A Personal Message might do the trick to exchange addresses. BELLBIRD
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Hi i'm Janice the 3rd older daughter of Ray. Dad was given the Medal for his involvement with Rugby league in New Zealand. The 3 boys were very good sportsmen Uncle Eric played Rugby & Sailed, while Uncle Basil was a very good softball player like Dad. He was 10 years younger than his brothers so was spoilt by them and Grandma.
So we 6 girls were bought up doing lots of sports. Dad has only just sold the family home in Mt Eden Auckland and moved with our wonderful stepmother into a village.
He still is very active in Rugby league and if you google his name there are lots of information on him.
They grew up down the road in Punga St Mt Eden Auckland.
My email is
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I live in Sydney.
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isaacjames Morning Janice Your address didn't come through as this an open site and the moderater removed it as you would be open to spam and other sorts of nasties. Somewhere on the Chatroom site is instructions on sending a Private Message which I only I can see where as the site we are on now anyone can read it. One advantage of this is other see what you're asking and jump in with help or suggestions. There are many helpful people out there. Iit is wonderful to meet someone who is the immediate generation but one from Fred Cranch and actually met the generation. I met one or two of Mum's generation when I was little and one cousin who has since died, being old enough to be my parent. Mum was like your Ray born a number of years after the rest, by the time she was 11 they were all married. She was taken from school she said to look after her mother who was diabetic. She died in 1940 and Mum moved to Auckland for work. Married Dad and was 40 when I arrived on the scene. Alot of Mum's nephews and nieces were older than her.
One about her age on the train with her was teased "Rusty's got a girl" "Tain't me girl it's me Aunty" As you grew up in Mt Eden I guess you weren't too far from your Grandparents. Kids at school I learned 2 or 3 years ago thought I was either adopted or living with my grandparents. Which I guess made me different enough to be a candidate for some bullying. I met that girl (lady) on the Trans Alpine Express and we got chatting and it all after we realised we went to the same school it all came out. Work calls, so must run BELLBIRD
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Hello Bellbird.
I can't figure out how to get into the secure personal message centre. If you can let
me know.
Janice
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Hi janice,
If you click on Bellbirds name you will see down the bottom of her profile you will see this message
Send this rootschatter a personal message. click on the link and then type your message and click send.
If you need nore help let us know
Newbe
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Hi Newbe Thanks for your help re Personal Message Janice, would that work for me too, so far all PMs have been response to that using the reply box so haven't worked out how to myself. BELLBIRD
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ISAACJAMES Afternoon Janice see what helpful people we have in this Chatworld, hope you find it easy and I'll be able to get the info to you. BELLBIRD
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Yes that would work for you too.
Just click on her username or there is a green scroll that you can clik on.
You can try and send one to me if you want and will let you know if it works
Newbe
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Well done Bellbird.
I received your PM.
Now you will be able to send Janice one. If you hover your curser over her little scroll it will show if she is online or not.
Glad I can help
Newbe
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Hi I'm researching my family tree. My grandmother was Annie Muriel Cranch and her father was Thomas Wakeham Cranch and mother Martha May Brown. Thomas' father was William Cranch and mother was Mary Goldsworthy. I believe Thomas had a sister Maria who married a Robertson. Their daughter Nancy Leah married Edward Kidd. Their grandson is my daughter's partner. Small world eh?
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Hi Granny Jane, Bellbird again, I put some info on my Samuel Cranch site that you had contacted so won't repeat it. Also on one of my Cranch sites is mention of Maria, from memory a guy from France was looking for her. The person inEngland was trying to contact him to tell him of my research but he couldn't get him. Will have to go back some long time to find it. Will try to do so if you are interested. Nothing to do with the above, today we've been watching a Bellbird looking for nectar in our small Kwhai tree. we hear him around our area for most of the year off and on, though Autumn/Winter he's a permanent fixture and we enjoy his songs. Bellbird.