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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Sussex => Topic started by: XANDRA on Thursday 25 September 08 21:26 BST (UK)
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I am researching the history of St. Nathy's College Ballaghadereen Co . Roscommon Ireland for the Bicentenary in 2010
. One of our greatest benefactors was a gentleman called DENIS BRODERICK . he was originally from Ireland and made his fortune in clothes/drapery/fashion /clothing manufacture , we are not sure.
He left part of his fortune to the Bishop of Southwark , and part to the Bishop of Achonry for the new section College which was opened in 1916 .
I would like to know what trade he was in , and any details about this man who made it possible for so many deserving students to gain an education .He lived in Brighton and was married .Died around 1912/ 1914 .his wife died later .
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There is a record for a Denis Broderick dying in 1909 in Steyning district, some of which is now considered as being in Brighton, so this may have been him.
It has his year of birth as 1833
Does this sound about right?
Glen
**Looks right. The 1901 has him with wife Catherine, and it has his birthplace as Ireland**
**1881 has him born in Sligo, as a Woollen Warehouseman**
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You can add to the above that in 1914, his wife Catherine also died in the Steyning district. That district includes Hove & Preston, adjacent parishes to Brighton.
My suggestion is that you purchase one or both death certificates to get more precise dates and also look for a will from after those dates. Given that the date you have is 1914, it may well be that they had no children of their own and it was Catherine left her husband's fortune to the church.
Also, seeing that the Brodericks were fairly well off, there may in addition, have been an obitury published in the local or national newspapers.
Roy G
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There's a little bit more info here:
http://www.st-theresas-southwick.org.uk/html/parish_history.html
It says that they had 9 churches built!
Glen
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Found them on 1881 census (91 Fore Street, London, Middx)
Missed them on the 1901 census (ask Glen where abouts he found them)
Has anyone got them in 1891, and would there have been a 35 year old Frederick John Broderick with them?
The quarters of the years where their deaths were registered in the Steyning district (Hove?) were,
Denis Broderick Oct - Dec 1909 age 76 (birth year c1833)
Catherine Broderick Jan - March 1914 age 83 (birth year c1831)
and another Broderick, who may have been their son who died early
Frederick John Broderick Jan - March 1896 age 40 (birth year c1856)
You should be able to get the Broderick's address in 1909 from a local Kellys street directory. By what Glen has found, I would presume it to have been in Hove.
For obituaries the local weekly papers around that time were The Brighton Gazette and the Brighton & Hove Herald.
Roy G
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In 1891 they were living at 3 Denmark Villas in Hove (nice posh house!). No Frederick living with them, just a female servant [ RG12/818 Folio 112 Page 39]
In 1901, the couple were still living at 3 Denmark Villas. He's listed as Denis Brodrick [RG13/ 938 Folio 115 Page 9].
Glen
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Thanks so much , the address we have just found in the college was Denmark Villa's and Hove . so we are talking about the same people , this is great because at last we know his wifes name . there is a huge life sized portrait of both of them in the foyer of the college and only Denis and MRS .. we are really thankful ......
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Is there any way to find out how he made his money , or about Frederick John , I guess that is why she was dressed all in black in the portrait , and why they were so interested in helping set up a boys college perhaps thinking of helping others in their sons memory .Take a look at the St. NATHY'S college WEBSITE and you will see what they helped build, a wonderful legacy . thanks so much .
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I can't say whether Frederick John was or was not related, he is just the only other Broderick that died in the very same locality as a couple who MAY have been his parents. I have no access to the 1891 census (5 years before Frederick died) but it may be him I found working with a photographer in 1881. Perhaps the Hove cemetery has a burial record of Frederick, Denis and Catherine? If they share a headstone or were buried together, that would suggest a family tie.
Also, as stated before, to find out what wealth they had and perhaps where it came from, wills (English or Irish) would seem to be a good source of info as would obituaries. But to ease the search for the latter, you would still need a more precise day and month of death. Hence the need to contact the cemetery or alternatively, to purchase a death certificate. Otherwise, alowing for 2 weeks either side of the death quarter, you will just have to plough through the columns of anything up to 4 months worth of local newspapers, just on the off chance of finding something.
Roy G
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Was that photographers by any chance SPINK and son Brighton. we have several photographs of the Broderick's taken by them .
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Checked back and found that the photographer called Frederick Broderic was not their son after all. (found his father who was another Frederick)
However here is some info on Spinks. During the Victorian and Edwardian era, the Spink family worked under slightly different company names throughout the town and sometimes you can use these minor differences to date the photographs they took.
Spink Henry 109 Western Road 1865 - 1893
Spink S G 109 Western Road 1894
Spink Henry Junior 109 Western Road 1895 - 1901
Spink H 109 Western Road 1902 - 1910
Spink Henry Junior 48 Preston Road 1889
Spink H 36 Goldstone Villas 1879 - 1893
Spink S G 36 Goldstone Villas 1894
Spink H J 36 Goldstone Villas 1896
(note Goldstone Villas is in Hove)
Roy
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They used to paint portraits from photographs they took , and the one of the BRODERICK'S in the college foyer is life size AND REALLY EXCELLENT .
Pity about the son , I do wish i could find out if they had family , and I am still in the dark about how Denis made his money, he was a VERY wealthy man .
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KIZMIAZ , when you found Denis Broderick in the 1880s in ireland as a woolen warehouseman did it by any chance mention the Foxford Woolen Mills ...
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I think you have grabbed the wrong end of the stick over 2 matters.
[1] The 1881 census showed Denis as an Irish warehouseman from Sligo, living in London and employing 2 men. It gave his home address, but not where he worked.
[2] The photographer I found also in 1881 (living in London) was not their son, but the Frederick John Broderick who died in the Steyning district in 1896 still could have been.
Roy G
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Hi Xandra,
I can't see any details of how Denis made his money. I have found him with Catherine and mother-in-law Bridget Powers living at 2 Hanover Court, St Giles Cripplegate, London in 1861, where he was listed as a "traveller" [RG9/213 Folio 86 Page 3]
So we now have his wife's maiden name and we can now see that they married in London in 1858 [listed as Denis Brodrick, Sep 1858 City of London Vol 1c Page 253]
He doesn't seem to be on the 1851 census, so must have come over from Ireland in the 1850s.
Catherine's mother Bridget was widowed while Catherine was quite young. There was no father listed in 1841 and in 1851 she was listed as a widow. Catherine had an elder sister named Mary born about 1827.
That's all I've found so far...
Glen
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The London Gazette shows Denis Broderick was a shareholder of the Union Bank of London ( I think, as he was identified as one of hundreds of owners) living at 91 Fore Street EC.
In 1879 he was a gentleman and on 25 Feb 1880 a Woollen Warehouseman.
David
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We are gradually building a picture of the Broderick's . Thanks so much . He was supposed to have met Bishop Lyster in the 1900s in HaMMERSMITH HOSPITAL when they were both ill . The Bishop told him about the old Barracks we had bought to use as a school , and the large numbers of boys who wished to enter the college in preparation for the priesthood and the professions . The Bishop had the dream of building a new extension on the parade grounds and Denis promised to help financially. It was 1916 when the new building was opened .
xandra