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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Merionethshire => Wales => Merionethshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: pampow on Monday 22 September 08 18:53 BST (UK)
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I have been informed that my husbands family tree is recorded in a welsh book of old families of Caernarfonshire and Merionethshire, as I dont speak welsh I was wondering if anyone could help.
The family Williams lived at Gardd Llygad Y Dydd, Beddgelert around the early 1800
If anyone has any info on this family tree I would be very grateful
Many Thanks
Pam
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Hi Pam :)
It sounds like the 'Griffiths Pedigrees'
The Griffith Pedigrees is a large book compiled by J. E Griffith of Bangor Univerisity in 1914. The title is Pedigrees of Anglesey and Caernarvonshire Families with their collateral branches in Denbighshire, Merionethshire and other parts. It has been Reprinted twice by Bridge Books, Wrexham.
ISBN 1-872424-63-5
It was £60 when I bought it a few years ago.
See this thread:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,193727.0.html
I'll check but I think you might have to work further back to get a real link in.
Regards
Gadget
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Hi Pam,
You can find the modern Gardd Llygad y Dydd on Google; I've had a
five-minute search in Griffith's Pedigrees, mentioned by Gadget, without finding
anything relevant. Gadget may do better. The book you need could, of course,
be another one.
Best of luck,
Pinot
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Thanks for your help Gadget and Pinot
I have been told that the book in question is in fact a welsh book
by T Ceiri Griffiths is this the same book??
apparently it has not been translated into English, so if anyone knows of it or has a copy and can look up for me this would be great
Pam
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Hi Pam
I think it' a different book. There is a ref to it in this article:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bifhsusa//news/newsletter0407.pdf
Dolgellau,an RC member, might have a copy and he's fluent in Welsh :)
Gadget
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Hi Pam,
The book you need is indeed T. Ceiri Griffith's book, entitled (in Welsh) The pedigrees of some families of the old counties of Caernarfonshire, Merionethshire and Montgomeryshire (Achau rhai o deuluoedd hen Siroedd Caernarfon, Meirionnydd a Threfaldwyn), published by the author 2003, ISBN 0 9546367 0 8.
Several lines from the Williams family of around 1800 have survived to the present age, with and without the original surname; if you wish I can send you details of a particular line or type up everything relevant; a scan is beyond me at the moment.
Cheers,
Pinot
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Hi Pinot
I also have a Williams family which I have traced back to Griffith Williams born circa 1786 in Dolwyddelan who married an Ellinor Roberts from Llanrwst (first chil born around 1812) and wonder if by any chance this family is mentioned in the book. If it is I will of course purchase the book.
Thanks
Peter
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Hi Pinot
thank you for your offer of help I would be very grateful for anything, especially as I dont speak or read Welsh this is what I have so far
Jane Williams b1865 Gardd Llygad Y Dydd
m Richard Jones
her father was Thomas William c1828 Gardd Llygad Y Dydd and died there 1889
m Marry Williams she was from Llanfrothen c1845 and died 1929 at Gardd Llygad Y Dydd
Thanks once again
Pam
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Hi Pam,
Thomas, Jane's father, was one of the seven children of John Williams, Gardd Llygad y Dydd(married 7-2-1817 to Elizabeth, bapt 30-1-1791, dtr of Wm Williams, B.A. Oxon d.1834 and Jane, died 1815). John also one of seven children, was the son of William Parry, Gardd Llygad y Dydd, bapt. 4-9-1740, died 28-9-1827, married 1773 Jane Thomas, d.1803, dtr of Thomas ap Richard and Catherine. Wm Parry's will exists. Most of the family's BMDs were recorded at Beddgelert chuch.
Hope this is some help,
Pinot
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Hi Peter,
A preliminary search through the index entries for Dolwyddelan did not produce any mention of Griffith Williams; perhaps when I get the time do do the same for Ellinor in Llanrwst something may come to light. Shall let you know if it does.
Cheers,
Pinot
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Thanks Pinot
Peter
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small world Pam.....sent you some info via e-mail....
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hi Pam my family are from Gardd Llygad y Dydd but there are 2 farmhouses there and both are Williams! Both families ( my grandfather Thomas Williams and William Williams family) have been buried next to each other in Llanfrothen cemetry.I acn tell you that my great great grandmother was called Mary Jones. She came orig from Brondanw Llanfrothen and died 3/3/1929. She married Thomas Williams from Gardd Llygad y Dydd who was born 10/11/1827 and died when he was 62.
Seeing that you have the Powell surname at the bottom of your message then you might be searching for the family next door who are related to the famous Welsh judge Dewi Watkin Powell.
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Hi Peter,
I see you have been researching a Williams family in Dolwyddelan. My Williams family were at Beudy Bach (just a 100 yards or so from Penrhiw) in the 1840's and 1850's. There were Williams' also in Penrhiw and I've wondered if there is a connection between the families?
Willjay
Hi Pinot
I also have a Williams family which I have traced back to Griffith Williams born circa 1786 in Dolwyddelan who married an Ellinor Roberts from Llanrwst (first chil born around 1812) and wonder if by any chance this family is mentioned in the book. If it is I will of course purchase the book.
Thanks
Peter
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Hi Willjay
There appear to be several Williams families from the area. I have traced back to Griffith W born circa 1786 in Dolwyddelan who married Elinor (Roberts I believe) from the Llanrwst area. I have found 6 children Robert, John, Catherine,Griffith John again (assume first John died) and Jane and many more grandchildren and the next few generations. There also seem to be Jones's living at the farm which seems to be split although I do not have details at the moment.
Would like to forward what you have via Ancestry in a PM which you will be able to do after I think your 3rd posting and we can take it from there.
Peter
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Hi Peter,
I can happily send you more information in a PM if you want. I think there is a probable family connection between the Williams family in Beudu Bach and one, or both, of the two households in Penrhiw. Beudy Bach was a very small house, now in ruins, and only a few yards from Penrhiw. It could have been part of the Penrhiw farm and used by a family member. I don't have much information on the older children in the 1841 census for Beudy Bach but I do have family trees for the younger ones, including Catherine, from whom I am descended. I have details of memorial inscriptions in the old churchyard in Dolwyddelan.
Willjay
Hi Willjay
There appear to be several Williams families from the area. I have traced back to Griffith W born circa 1786 in Dolwyddelan who married Elinor (Roberts I believe) from the Llanrwst area. I have found 6 children Robert, John, Catherine,Griffith John again (assume first John died) and Jane and many more grandchildren and the next few generations. There also seem to be Jones's living at the farm which seems to be split although I do not have details at the moment.
Would like to forward what you have via Ancestry in a PM which you will be able to do after I think your 3rd posting and we can take it from there.
Peter
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Hi Willjay
Apologies for not replying sooner. I am still waiting for some certificates ordered a couple of weeks ago which may help.
Will be in touch idc
Peter
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Hi Willjay
I have received a couple of certificates and they may or may not help us.
They are both marriage certificates.
First I have Margaret Davies marrying Richard Jones in 1843. Richard subsequently must have died and Margaret remarried Robert Williams in 1851(this is the other cert). Robert and Margaret then lived in Penrhiw and they are my ancestors. The family stayed in Penrhiw until around 1901+ and then moved to the Wrexham area.
I am guessing that Richard Jones was living at Penrhiw when he married although I have no evidence except he was described as a farmer in the certificate. There are also other Jones's in Penrhiw continuously and the house was obviously split.
There is a Cathrine born circa 1845 in the family in 1851 and at the moment I am not sure who were her parents. I could be Jones/Davies and she assumed the name Williams or it could be that she is the daughter of Robert Williams and ? as Robert is described as a widower in his marriage certificate. She was born in Festiniog where I 'think' Robert was living in 1841 with a Lowry. I have not yet had time to ask the Registrar to look for the marriage and this will now have to wait until December as I am away shortly.
Does my Cathrine sound a possibility as being yours?
I have some details of MI's from Dolwyddelan from a visit a few years ago but I now have new names to look for. Any sign of a Lowry?
I hope this is not too garbled. I am rushing a little.
Peter
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Hello Peter,
I'm new to this, so I hope I'm not breaking any of the rules!!
Hi Willjay
.......First I have Margaret Davies marrying Richard Jones in 1843.......
Peter
I'm searching for any details about the Davies family who lived at Ffridd, Dolwyddelan, which is close to Penrhiw.
I have Robert Davies, born c. 1760 and died 8th.April, 1842.
His wife was Elinor, born c.1762 and died 29th. March,1848.
Their son was also Robert, born c.1799 and died 10th. July, 1883.
He was married to ?Jane, born c.1814 and died 14th. December, 1870.
I know where to find Ffridd, have seen the gravestones for the 4 above in Dolwyddelan churchyard, and they are mentioned on the 1881 census.
Robert and Jane's son, Owen William Davies, born 25th.July,1850 and died 8th.June, 1905 was my great grandfather.
An American connection tells me: "My greatgrandfather was Owen Davies, too, born about 1859....... I have copies of the 1841 and 1851 censuses at home and there are quite a few Davies......the most important clue is that Dafydd Williams (book about History ofColumbia County, WI) had sons who all took the name of Davies. My Owen's father was Robert who was perhaps the son of David Roberts, or possibly Hugh Davies (son of Dafydd Williams) who more likely was the father of Jane Davies whom Robert married. I have the census for 1841 which includes both Robert and Hugh and several other Davies." This person's grandfather's brother was David Davies, who died at Ffridd in the early 1900's.
The parish register also shows David, born 1805, Mary, born 1796 and Catherine (mother Ellin) born 1788.
Does any of this tie up with what you have, or help you?
If it does, and you contact me privately (in a PM?), I can introduce you to the American connection!
Regards,
Bryn Meurig.
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Hello Bryn
rules??
Anyway regarding Margaret Williams's (nee Davies) - her father was indeed Robert but (and I am guessing) this Robert was possibly born 1788. I am basing this on the fact that in 1851 there was a Robert Davies living with her family in Penrhiw and he is a widower aged 63. I have no evidence to support my guess however.
It is about time I had another 'go' at the mysteries that surround this part of my family and will probably try and find some more evidence in the form of certificates or maybe ask on these page for look-ups. I will have to get my head around this again and will contact you should anything useful materialise. It may take some time.
In the meantime perhaps you would kindly supply some of the flesh of your evidence such as the census references and/or the births/marriages in case these help. You can send these using Rootschat's personal message system (the symbol below the name) and there is no need to exchange email addresses at least at this stage.
Regards
Peter
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hi Pam my family are from Gardd Llygad y Dydd but there are 2 farmhouses there and both are Williams! Both families ( my grandfather Thomas Williams and William Williams family) have been buried next to each other in Llanfrothen cemetry.I acn tell you that my great great grandmother was called Mary Jones. She came orig from Brondanw Llanfrothen and died 3/3/1929. She married Thomas Williams from Gardd Llygad y Dydd who was born 10/11/1827 and died when he was 62.
Seeing that you have the Powell surname at the bottom of your message then you might be searching for the family next door who are related to the famous Welsh judge Dewi Watkin Powell.
Hi Ger1!
Mary Jones - Linked to my Family, she was my 3rd great aunt her parents were Edward and Alice Jones, of Gatehouse parc, Edward Died in 1888 listed as Brondanw Uchaf on his gravestone, Capel Ramoth cemetery, Llanfrothen. Edward is buried there with his wife Alice and his Daughter Catherine, and also his son John Edward Jones (Mary's sibling) who died aged 30 in 1879.
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My gggrandfather was David Roberts who had Robert Davies who married Jane Davies daughter of Hugh Davies. One of their sons was Owen Davies who married Elizabeth Jones and they came to America in 1882. They lived in Ohio and then died young in Cambria WI. I have a tree on Roots Web and Ancestry named Davies from Dolwyddelan Wales to OH WI SD by JCD. Owen's brother Hugh Davies came to America after them and disappeared. Eager to communicate with you.