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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Clackmannanshire => Topic started by: TERESA125 on Monday 22 September 08 15:32 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I am new to this so please forgive me if I get it wrong but here goes -
My husband's grandafther was George Tainsh. He came from Alva I believe. He married Doris Prestidge in Derby in 1941 and he died in Kidderminster whilst studying teaching in 1947.
This is all we know about him (he has a brother named William I think), as he died when my mother in law was only 5 and Doris is no longer alive. We would love to find out more if anyone could help we would be exceptionally grateful.
Teresa
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Hi Teresa
Welcome to RootsChat :)
A good way to start from where you are now, is to start verifying information as you work your way back. This way you can be confident that you are following the right lines.
Have you considered ordering the marriage cert for George and wife Doris in 1941? This would confirm George's age and also his father's name and occupation to let you try and find his parents' marriage and George's birth certificate.
I've checked Scotlands People (SP) www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk, the official Scottish BMD site and there is one entry coming up in Alva:
George Tainsh, 1920, Alva, GROS Ref: 465/B0 0088
You would have to also order this cert. as you are outside of the period where you can view images for births on line at SP. Scottish birth certs are very informative and will include parents full names including mother's maiden name and when and where parents married. From this marriage cert for the parents, you will get full details of their parents and so on....
At the point you are at, it's a little bit like stepping stones :) Once you get further back you will find it easier to find records/censuses on line for George's ancestors.
I would start first with that 1941 marriage and keep in mind that 1920 birth entry in Alva.
Monica :)
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Thanks Monica,
I forgot to put in my original message that I had his birth date but you are spot on and he was born in 1920. Thank you. It seems that I will need to order his birth certificate to get a little farther back.
Kind Regards
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Teresa
You can order the birth cert. directly from SP (you can register for free) or through the GROS www.gro-scotland.gov.uk
George's marriage in 1941 is coming up in the 3rd Qrt 1941 Derby Vol. 7b Pg. 1987 - although bride's surname is showing as FISHER.
Monica
Added: Doris L. Fisher is how her name is registered.
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Yes, George was her second husband the first (Eric Fisher) was killed in the war. It was a case of 3rd time lucky because after George Tainsh theres was a Tom Stewart and she managed to hold onto him for about 45years!!!
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A happy ending for Doris!
Once you've got details of George's parents, post back if you need any help.
Monica
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Only 18 Tainsh entries in Alva in 1901 census - his family will hopefully be easy enough to find ;)
Monica
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Tomorrow I am going to New Register House in Edinburgh where the records are kept. Would you like me to check for any information for you?
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Hello Teresa,
Did you make any headway with your Tainsh families?
Just along the road at Logie Cemetery & Churchyard, there are 3 gravestones (that I know of) to various Tainsh individuals. May or may not be related but if you want a note of the MI's, just let me know.
Anne
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Hi all,
Thanks for all the messages but I have done no more work on the Tainsh family this week as I've not been well.
Anne, I would love to have the names of the Tainsh'e in Logie if you would be so kind.
Kilsyth? I am so sorry that I missed your email on Tuesday I would love to have had your help.
Monica, Thanks for the info on the 1901 census.
Many kind regards
Teresa.
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Hi Teresa,
Sorry to hear you haven't been well - I hope you're on the mend now.
As I said, these may or may not be related in any way, but maybe sometime down the line you'll be able to add them if and when you find out who they are.
1.
In loving memory of JAMES T. SHARP who died 17th September 1966 aged 74 years
And his wife CATHERINE G. TAINSH who died 7th April 1968 aged 76 years
Also their son *JAMES T. SHARP, Merchant Navy lost at sea 10th April 1942 aged 21 years
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In loving memory of ISOBELLA BREINGAN died 31st January 1939 aged 84 years
And her husband JOHN TAINSH died 2nd August 1912 aged 64 years
Their son TOM TAINSH died 12th October 1915 aged 26 years
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In memory of WILLIAM TAINSH who died at Glasgow 20th September 1880 aged 27 years
Also my son JOHN who died at Glasgow on the 20th of February 1898 aged 18 years
Also his wife MARGARET THOMSON who died 9th January 1909 aged 58 years
Their daughter MARGARET TAINSH who died 20th January 1926 aged 50 years
The following is the details from the CWGC database for James T. Sharpe (I thought his middle name may have been T = Tainsh, after his mother's maiden name, but obviously not as he was given exactly the same name as his father!)
*Name: SHARP, JAMES TODD
Initials: J T
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Sailor
Regiment/Service: Merchant Navy
Unit Text: S.S. Empire Prairie (Greenock)
Age: 21
Date of Death: 10/04/1942
Additional information: Son of James Todd Sharp and Catherine Gilroy Sharp, of Menstrie, Clackmannanshire.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 44.
Memorial: TOWER HILL MEMORIAL
Alva and Logie are only about 3 miles apart with the village of Menstrie slap bang in the middle!
Good info on his parents from CWGC though - it's not that often you get parent's middle names and if these turn out to be 'yours', you'll have lots of info to start with.
Anne
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Hope you are feeling better. I am going back to NRH next week :)
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Hi Teresa,
Sorry to hear you haven't been well - I hope you're on the mend now.
As I said, these may or may not be related in any way, but maybe sometime down the line you'll be able to add them if and when you find out who they are.
1.
In loving memory of JAMES T. SHARP who died 17th September 1966 aged 74 years
And his wife CATHERINE G. TAINSH who died 7th April 1968 aged 76 years
Also their son *JAMES T. SHARP, Merchant Navy lost at sea 10th April 1942 aged 21 years
2.
In loving memory of ISOBELLA BREINGAN died 31st January 1939 aged 84 years
And her husband JOHN TAINSH died 2nd August 1912 aged 64 years
Their son TOM TAINSH died 12th October 1915 aged 26 years
3.
In memory of WILLIAM TAINSH who died at Glasgow 20th September 1880 aged 27 years
Also my son JOHN who died at Glasgow on the 20th of February 1898 aged 18 years
Also his wife MARGARET THOMSON who died 9th January 1909 aged 58 years
Their daughter MARGARET TAINSH who died 20th January 1926 aged 50 years
The following is the details from the CWGC database for James T. Sharpe (I thought his middle name may have been T = Tainsh, after his mother's maiden name, but obviously not as he was given exactly the same name as his father!)
*Name: SHARP, JAMES TODD
Initials: J T
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Sailor
Regiment/Service: Merchant Navy
Unit Text: S.S. Empire Prairie (Greenock)
Age: 21
Date of Death: 10/04/1942
Additional information: Son of James Todd Sharp and Catherine Gilroy Sharp, of Menstrie, Clackmannanshire.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 44.
Memorial: TOWER HILL MEMORIAL
Alva and Logie are only about 3 miles apart with the village of Menstrie slap bang in the middle!
Good info on his parents from CWGC though - it's not that often you get parent's middle names and if these turn out to be 'yours', you'll have lots of info to start with.
Anne
Hi Anne and Theresa
I have 4 Isabella Breingans born between 1853 and 1857, all in Alloa. I think the one referred to above would be Isabella b. abt 1853/4, parents John Breingan and Margaret Donnel. She lived at Holly Tree, Menstrie, Logie in 1861 and Menstrie village in 1871. She was a Wool Mill worker and was not listed in the 1881 census as Isabella Breingan but was as Isabella Tainsh.
Maybe you have worked that out by now but I give it for clarification anyway
Roy