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Does anyone live near this very large Cemetery? I would be very keen to receive a photograph of one of the graves in the Cemetery.
Burial Number106360
Deceased Name John James Critchley
Burial Ground Church of England
Date of Burial 04/06/1929
Cemetery Southern
Section X
Grave 384
John is buried with his sister Naomi Elizabeth Costello who was a first World War widow. She died sometime between Oct-Dec 1946
Thanks
Alma ::)
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Hi Alma,
I live five minutes from Southern Cemetery and will go and take the photo for you.
PM me with your email address so I can send the photo.
Regards
Beannie
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HI Beannie
Thanks for the response - amazing and trust you got my PM with email address
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No headstone at all thanks to kind local visiting the site on my behalf. Am now wondering how to proceed on this one.
Naomi E Costello buried 25 Nov. 1946 and was born 1870 Dublin. Not married in 1911 Dublin Census. Her brother John James Critchley lived Crondall St, Moss Side. Don't believe the Death Cert for Naomi would show her husband's name? If any one has any ideas for me I would certainly be happy to be informed! Perhaps local archive of The Guardian - appeared they lived Sth Manchester...
Thanks
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Hi Alma
If Naomi was a WW1 widow then her husband should be on the http://www.cwgc.org/ website.
Additional information is often added like Parents Names and Wives. Just checked, it lists 146 various spellings of Costello.
You might just get lucky and get a match.
Regards
Ken
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I was just wondering how you might have found the buriel number for you loved one I have a picture of the buriel but no other info. And the picture is very old and hard to read.
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In my experience, death certs for married women usually mention husbands, whether alive or not.
It might be worth obtaining Naomi's death cert.
Kooky
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Had a quick look!
Death Dec qu 1946 Costello Naomi E age76 ref Manchester 10e 260.
Kooky
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I was just wondering how you might have found the buriel number for you loved one I have a picture of the buriel but no other info. And the picture is very old and hard to read.
Hi Ladybug
Who you looking for? and when did they die?
Ken
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I was just wondering how you might have found the buriel number for you loved one I have a picture of the buriel but no other info. And the picture is very old and hard to read.
I am presuming by your other post it is the Macharay you are wanting to know the grave number
This is a possibility names for Machray have been miss spelt also the grave would
be in a section with an alphabet (A to Z ?) you can find Southern Cemetery burials on http//www.burialrecords.manchester.gov.uk. you can view the index but for any further info there is a charge
Grave No. section ( ? ) 1215
Percy Thackery buried 21/5/1900
Robert Cartwright buried 25/4/1921
Alexander MacHray buried 29/1/1939
Mary Jane Mackray biried 10/3/1942
Elizabeth MacHray buried 30/3/1967
Hope this helps
Regards Marj
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Alexandra MacHray Section N/C Plot H1215 (29/1/1937)
Elizabeth MacHray " " " (30/3/1967)
Mary Jane MacKray " " " (10/3/1942)
Robert Cartwright = H1121 (not 1215)
Percy Thackery = I1215
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Okay his is the info I have.
Percival Augustus Lindon Machray Married Mary Jane Broomhead. They had 7 Children
Hilda Machray - DOB 1895 - 1982 She Married Leslie Arnold Langshaw and they had 4 children Bernard, Jean, Joyce, Kenneth
Alex Machray - I have no info
Cecil Machray - Married Dorothy and they had no children
Clarrisa Machray - Died as a child and is burried at Southern Cemetery
Elizabeth Machray - Never married
Elsie Machray - Married Norm Hince no children I think there last residents was in gooshry Cheshire
John Machray - DOB 27 Feb 1892 - 13 May 1964 Married Agnes Penman Hardy Torrence Had 1 child Robert Machray
Percival was at one time in Scottland I don't know if he was born there or not. He use to make Umbrella's and walking sticks. He died at the age of 42. I think the date of death was May 17. but don't know the year of death or the year of birth. And I know that he was burried at Southern Cemetery.
I don't know if this information helps but it is everything I know.
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The place in Scottland that he was at was Musslebrorought I think that is the spelling. thanks to anyone that might be able to help me.
Angie
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Okay his is the info I have.
Percival Augustus Lindon Machray Married Mary Jane Broomhead. They had 7 Children
Hilda Machray - DOB 1895 - 1982 She Married Leslie Arnold Langshaw and they had 4 children Bernard, Jean, Joyce, Kenneth
Alex Machray - I have no info
Cecil Machray - Married Dorothy and they had no children
Clarrisa Machray - Died as a child and is burried at Southern Cemetery
Elizabeth Machray - Never married
Elsie Machray - Married Norm Hince no children I think there last residents was in gooshry Cheshire
John Machray - DOB 27 Feb 1892 - 13 May 1964 Married Agnes Penman Hardy Torrence Had 1 child Robert Machray
Percival was at one time in Scottland I don't know if he was born there or not. He use to make Umbrella's and walking sticks. He died at the age of 42. I think the date of death was May 17. but don't know the year of death or the year of birth. And I know that he was burried at Southern Cemetery.
I don't know if this information helps but it is everything I know.
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I also have a photo of the grave at southern Cemetery. But don't know the plot # or any of that info.
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Hi Angie
Well this is a mystery ??? The burial site only lists these people in all the cemeteries
29/01/1937 Alexander MacHray Southern Cemetery 1215
30/03/1967 Elizabeth MacHray Southern Cemetery 1215
31/05/1929 Sophia MacHray Southern Cemetery 632
28/06/1899 Alexander MacKray Southern Cemetery 632
10/03/1942 Mary Jane MacKray Southern Cemetery 1215
Must be a transcription error on the system
As photos cannot be uploaded to this forum, could you transcribe the details on the headstone which you say is in Southern
Regards
Ken
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Hi
Percy Augustus L Mackray birth Regitration Chorlton June Quarter 1857 8C 538
Percy Augustus L Machray died Registration District Barton Irwell June Qtr 1900 8C 449
On the 1901 index the name is transcribed as Macknay
Mary J age 42
Elizabeth age 15
Alexander age 14
Eliza L age 11
John age 9
Hilda age 5
Cecil age 2
Sorry I don't have the details perhaps some kind person on rootschat could lookup them for you
Mary Jane Broomhead married Percy A.L.MACKRAY 1881 Christ Church Moss Side 1881 ref 96/1/432
found on LancsBMD site
Regards Marj
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Well I surely started something with my query about a grave in the Southern Cemetery, Manchester and am very glad that someone else has posted and been successful in locating family details as a result. I have not yet purchased the death certificate for Naomi Elizabeth Costello but am waiting on a further film of Ireland marriages via the LDS Church here. I have seen up the middle of the World War I years so if this next one doesn't turn up a marriage of the couple in Ireland one would suspect it took place elsewhere. Naomi born in Dublin is in the 1911 census for Dublin and was unmarried then. It is online which is a bonus. If the film doesn't show something maybe that death certificate will be required
Good work on the other grave too folks
Alma ::)
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Is there any way of showing the photo or sending to photo to some on and they can tell me if it is for Southern. Elsie the daughter wrote on the back that is was form southern. I cant read all the writing as the photo is so old and such poor quality.
Angie
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Alma I was just wondering who were john and Naomi's parents. I have found alot of info but just want to make sure it's the right family.
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John and Naomi's parents were George McKay Critchley and Margaret (nee Kane)
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Is there any way of showing the photo or sending to photo to some on and they can tell me if it is for Southern. Elsie the daughter wrote on the back that is was form southern. I cant read all the writing as the photo is so old and such poor quality.
Angie
Hi Angie
You would have to create a new posting in the Main Lancashire forum "not this lookup forum".
Also any jpeg which is uploaded must be less than 500k in size.
It would also help in the hunt for the family with not crossing over with Alma's posting.
A have also sent you a PM
Regards
Ken
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The Machrays are in my family, and I have been to the Southern Cemetery to find the graves.
I found the headstone of Alexander (d1899) and Sophia Machray (d1929) under some bushes. There were no other names on the headstone.
I looked for the "1215, Mackray" headstone, but have since found out that although the first grave was in the C of E section, the 1215 grave is in the non-conformist section. I haven't been back to look though.
By the way, don't you think that Percy Thackery could just be a very bad transcription of Machray, especially as the date is very close to his death?
After all it is spelt wrongly on just about every document you see.
I'm trying to track down his mother Jane Machray (and father John Hutchinson Norris? )They seem to disappear in 1841 and 1851.
Jane is the sister of my g g grandmother Elizabeth Machray, father Alexander Machray.
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Hello again everyone!
I am just posting this to advise that I have had some success thanks to my request to the NZ Soc Genealogists re a query for a lookup of the Irish Memorial Records 1914-1918 as they have just added this to their collection. - Not in them however -
To my suprise I was informed that the information was up on the 'net all the time in that the familysearch.org website has a Pilot there : http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=search_all1.asp&clear_form=true
From the drop-down menu "Search Records" choose "Record Search Pilot".
On the world map, click on "Europe". Towards the bottom of the page there is a link to Ireland Civil Registration Indexes.
Spouses cannot be linked but as I knew the Surname of Naomi Critchley's spouse was "Costello" the process was very useful .
To my shame I consider myself quite clued up in Irish family history so this was a wake up call to keep up to date with what is happening on often used family history websites.
The couple married in Waterford after World War I - so thanks all
Alma