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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Berkshire => Topic started by: Leggy on Saturday 29 January 05 23:04 GMT (UK)
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I am researching the following names. If anyone has any connections, please get in touch!
Tilehurst-Butler/Kirton/Woodley/Green/Hunsdon/Bryant
Beenham-Butler/Hawkes/Hissey/Pitheral/Powell/Wigmore
Bradfield-Butler/Clark/Vince/Girdler/Hamblin/Holmes/Froud
Bucklebury-Butler/Clark
Ufton Nervet-Butler
Sulhamstead-Butler/Webb/Johnson
Caversham-Charlton/Chapman/Hissey
Theale-Lovegrove
Burghfield-Butler
Shottesbrooke-Charlton/Woodley
Reading-Charlton/Wiggins/Robbins/Powell.
Cheers! Lynn.
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How about giving some christian names as well.I have some of those surnames connected to Woodages.Hamblin Chapman Lovegrove maybe I can help.Pips
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Ok! HAMBLIN connections stem from marriage of Ann Hamblin born c.1822 Bradfield d/o William & Sarah. Married Thomas Girdler(my GGGGrandfathers step-son.)
Elsie LOVEGROVE b.1923 Theale d/o Albert m.George Arthur Butler 1927.
CHAPMAN(Alice Elizabeth) is my maternal grandmothers maiden name. She died when my mum was quite young so have no solid info on her birth other than she was born 1901 and banns state she was residing in Dunsden (Oxon) at time of marriage. Possibility of Goring Heath area?
Anything there that rings a bell?!!
Lynn :)
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Nothing rings a bell but will check back through my info .Pips
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I have a few Hamblins born in/around Bradfield between 1816 & 1899 as follows:
Hamblin, Alice Abt. 1863 Bradfield, Berkshire
Hamblin, Benjamin Abt. 1899 Stanford Dingley, Berkshire
Hamblin, Charles Abt. 1873 Bradfield, Berkshire
Hamblin, David Abt. 1816 Bradfield, Berkshire
Hamblin, David J Abt. 1865 Bradfield, Berkshire
Hamblin, Dorcas Abt. 1884 Bradfield, Berkshire
Hamblin, Eliza Abt. 1851 Bradfield, Berkshire
Hamblin, Eliza E Abt. 1883 Bradfield, Berkshire
Hamblin, Elizabeth Abt. 1892 Great Bookham, Surrey
Hamblin, Ernest J Abt. 1875 Bradfield, Berkshire
Hamblin, George Abt. 1853 Bradfield, Berkshire
Hamblin, George Abt. 1891 Bucklebury, Berkshire
Hamblin, Julia Abt. 1877 Bradfield, Berkshire
Hamblin, Kate Abt. 1867 Bradfield, Berkshire
Hamblin, Martha Abt. 1889 Bucklebury, Berkshire
Hamblin, Mary A Abt. 1880 Bradfield, Berkshire
Hamblin, Sarah Abt. 1845 Bradfield, Berkshire
Hamblin, Sarah Abt. 1885 Bradfield, Berkshire
Hamblin, Stephen Abt. 1857 Bradfield, Berkshire
Hamblin, Stephen Abt. 1878 Bradfield, Berkshire
Hamblin, Walter J Abt. 1871 Bradfield, Berkshire
Hamblin, William S Abt. 1887 Bucklebury, Berkshire
Any matches?
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Hello,
I also have many of these Hamblins in my tree. One of my connections is with Dorcas Hamblin who married William Sellwood in 1905. The tree goes back to David chr 1818 son of William and Sarah who I have as Ann's (1822) brother. Can we help each other, do you think?
Vicki
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It seems we have some common names, the earliest I have is William Hamblin (b: Goring, Oxon) married to Sarah Carter (b: c1794, Bradfield) From the IGI, I found 8 children born to William & Sarah Hamblin
Children (all from Bradfield):
John (bapt 8 Mar 1812)*
Sarah (bapt 2 Oct 1814)*
Sophia (bapt 23 Oct 1814)
David (bapt 4 Jan 1818)*
Anne (bapt 1 Sep 1822)*
William (bapt 13 Dec 1829)*
Charles (bapt 23 Nov 1834)*
George (bapt 13 Aug 1837)*
The asterisks mark the baptisms I have confirmed in the Parish Registers for Bradfield
John (1812) is my 3rd G-GFather, so I have his line all the way down to me, I also have info on William and his family but none of the others.
I have included a PDF of 4 generations from William & Sarah down
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Hello,
Yes we are talking about the same family but you seem to have done far more work on them than I have. My connection is back from Dorcas 1884 (don't have a christening, only censuses and her marriage in 1905 to William Sellwood) From her to parents George chr1852 marr Mary Maria Rivers, and from him to his father, David chr 1818 marr Martha Pearce. I got stuck on finding out where David's father William came from. Now I know.
Unfortunately, I will be going away on holiday tomorrow 20th Sept until the first week in October, so can we leave further discussion until then, please?
Thanks for letting me see the pdf.
Vicki
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Just a quickie before I go on holiday. I was hoping that your information would solve a problem for me but it hasn't. I am not happy about the evidence about William Hamblin and Sarah. According to all the censuses from 1851 this William was born abt 1805 which means he can't have been having children in 1812 or married Sarah Carter. According to the IGI (a submitted record, not collected) there was a William Hamblin and Sarah Knapp married in Bradfield in 1829. I think, but cannot prove because I don't have access to Bradfield registers that these were the parents of William 1829, Charles 1834, and George 1837, and the earlier children were children of William and Sarah nee Carter. What it needs is the burials of the latter William and Sarah because there is only one such couple in the 1851 census. There is a burial in the Berkshire Burial Index in 1831 of Sarah age 64 "Wife of William Hamblin" which seems to prove my point, but none for William himself. I have only just received the 1841 so don't know if he was still around then. Your comments would be appreciated.
Vicki
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Hi Vicki=I have just had this info-don't think its anything new but may confirm things for you! William Hamblin born ???? Bradfield married Sarah CARTER born ????? Bradfield in Inkpen 18.10.1810 with children John (1812) Sarah (1814) Sophia (1814) David (1818) Anne (1822) (brackets denote baptism dates). William Hamblin b.1805 Goring married Sarah KNAPP (b 1794 Bradfield) 27.4.1829 in Bradfield with children William (1829) Charles (1834) George (1837). This is not 100% proven and there are probably more children.......but it goes along with your theory and seems more likely when you look at the ages. If you have any ideas about burial place/time-frame for William I can look it up next time I go to BRO.
Lynn.
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hello Lynn,
Yes, thanks for that but I do have all that. The first line (William and Sarah nee Carter) via David to George to Dorcas Hamblin who married my kinsman William Sellwood in 1905 in Cold Ash is my link. What is yours?
I have found Sarah's burial in 1831 Bucklebury but nothing of William. He was not in Berks in 1851 and I have yet to find him in 1841. At present I am presuming a death between 1831/51 because at Sarah's burial she is recorded as "wife" not "widow" of William.
Regards
Vicki
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Hi Lynne,
I read your posting with interest and two names caught my eye, GREEN & HISSEY.
My 3x g-grandfather was John GREEN ( a transported convict from the Reading ???? area according to his trial notes)
One of the Jurors at his trial was a John HISSEY.
I wonder if there is any connection to your lot???
Cheers
Len Brown
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I just came upon this site and I was startled to see my grandfathers name and that you were researchng it...My grandfather was Frederick Kerton(kirton) of the same family you have listed...My granpa came to Canada in 1909 as did Henry and Harriet and Albert , Fanny, louisa, ...I have been researching on my grandfathers side for a while now mostly through ancestry.com which is available in the library I work....My name is Ettie and I live in Courtenay, b.c. Canada....and was born here as was my father ...I am now 60 years old....I would like anymore info you have about my family, sometimes Kerton and sometimes Kirton...my grandpa used to say "Some dotted the i and some didn't.
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Hello Ettie,
I am a little confused as to which Kirton/Kerton family you are referring to. There were dozens of them in Tilehurst, all related however. I have 2 Frederick Kirtons from Tilehurst in my Sellwood tree, one born 1880 married Florence Duffin, the other born 1888 married Ethel Pocock.
I think that you are referring to the latter because they disappeared after 1909 when a still born child of theirs was buried. I have his family back several generations although the early stuff is speculative at the moment because I have not totally proven it. Let me know if you think this is the right Frederick Kirton/Kerton/Curtain/Curten and several other spellings that have been used by this family.
Regards
Vicwinann
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Hi Ettie
From the names you mentioned I think we have a connection here. My GG Grandfather was John Kirton born c1818. His 1st wife was Martha Gregory b.1817 and they had 3 children before Martha died in 1850. One was Henry b.1847 who married Harriet. From census returns I have the following children-John b.1866 Tilehurst Berks, Louisa b.1875 Binfield Berks, Albert b.1878 Redstone Yorks, Frederick b.1880 Harton Yorks, Alan b. 1885 Binfield Berks. My G Grandmother Sarah was the daughter of John and his 3rd wife, Mary Woodley. I'm in touch with other Kirton descendants who have managed to trace the family back to the 1500's which is pretty amazing!
It would be interesting to compare notes-
Best wishes, Lynn (Leggy)
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Hi Len!
Wouldnt it be a great connection!! My Green was Albert who married my G Aunt Annie Butler in 1925. Coincidentally, his father WAS a John Green. I havent traced his family back as I'm concentrating more on the direct line but now I'm thinking it might be worth delving into his past.....The Hissey connection comes from My GG Aunt Ann Butler who married a Richard Hissey in 1840. Thanks to a fellow researcher I have the Hisseys back to 1500's. When was your John transported?
Regards, Lynn.
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Hi Lynn,
John was transported in 1829 aboard the Convict ship "Mellish"
(there were 2 John GREEN's transported on the same ship but mine was the youngest one)
He is a total mystery.
I got his trial records from the PRO when I was over there a few years ago.
Unfortunately I haven't been able to find any other record of him or his family in the UK.
Out here is Australia I have quite a bit of data on him and his Aust. family until he got his Conditional Pardon and from then it seems he just dissapeared as if he hadn't existed at all.
Cheers
Len
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Hello
I too have those Kirtons on my tree - not as a direct descendant - and I would also like to compare notes. However, I do think that we need to start a new thread entitled Kirtons. I will do that in a few minutes if my changing the subject heading here doesn't work. I have the John Kirton 1818 line back to 1613 with many side branches.
Vicwinann
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Hello
Sorry but it would seem that I have somehow posted to the wrong thread. Sorry about that. I will try again
Vicwinann
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I have started a new Kirton thread. Otherwise with all the other names in this thread, there is a grave danger of it getting totally muddied.
Hope to hear from Ettie and/or Leggy on the new thread
Regards
Vicwinann
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Hi Cousin Leggy.....you've got the right ones, the Kerton as we were called...my maiden name is Kerton and I have traced the descendants back to 1800s as well....there was a Martha married to John....and my gg was Henry, then my grandpa was Frederick born about 1882 in Harton Yorkshire...sounds like the same ones to me....this is very exciting....I knew my Uncle Albert and all the family of my Grampa Fred as they immigrated to Canada around the same time and died here and are buried here or set out to sea(their ashes) and of course there are more family here too. Do you live in Tilehurst? I think my grandpa did have one brother that stayed in England was a Minister in a Church, I thought his name was John but I am not too sure on that...their death anouncements are on the British Columbia Census . Iand available on-line, I did use Ancestry.com because it is available at the Libray I work....I also found an Fanny Kerton who appears to be a maiden Aunt that lives with John after Martha dies...I traced her back to the 1841 England census and she is living with her parents in Tilehurst and they are William Kerton born 1771 in Berkshire and Sarah Kerton born in 1771 so they must be the parents of John born in 1814...so long for now I will definitely be in touch...Ettie (Ellen)
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Hi there Ettie!
Have sent you a personal message now that Vicki has kindly explained how to do it!
Lynn.
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Hi there Ettie!
It would be good if we could share info but unfortunately I can't leave my e-mail address on this site. I've got a profile on Ancestry.com and I've entered John Kirton, Berkshire, England so hopefully if you do a search for him on community we'll be able to get in touch. Let me know if it doesnt work!
Best Wishes, Lynn.
Hi Lynn,
You can give Ettie your email address on this site by sending her a private message which only she can see.
Vicwinann (Vicki)
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Hi Vicki!
Thanks for that! I feel such a dork....um, how do you send personal messages?!
I have read yours to me and will get back to you via your e-mail address as a lot of the names your have connections with are also connected to my tree-particularly Butler(my maiden name), Kirton, Woodley.
Thanks again!
Lynn :)
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Peggy I think we are tracing the same family!! My father was James Frederick Kirton Born 4th July 1921 his father was Frederick Kirton born Henley abt 1880.
I believe allthough I have not confirmed it yet that he was the son of John kirtin ( kirton) born abt 1818
I would be interested to know if anyone has any more info
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Hello ajkirton,
I have a fair bit of information on the Kirtons (various spellings) and related families. If you send me a private message I will give you my email address. We can then correspond privately rather than boring people and wasting space.
Regards
Vicwinann
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vikky stupid question but how do I send private? my email address is
andrew@kirtona.fsnet.co.uk
andy
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Hello,
You click on the green scroll icon next to my name. It is advisable not to post email addresses on open forum to avoid them being picked up by spammers etc. ie to protect you.
Regards
Vicwinann
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I am researching the following names. If anyone has any connections, please get in touch!
Tilehurst-Butler/Kirton/Woodley/Green/Hunsdon/Bryant
Beenham-Butler/Hawkes/Hissey/Pitheral/Powell/Wigmore
Bradfield-Butler/Clark/Vince/Girdler/Hamblin/Holmes/Froud
Bucklebury-Butler/Clark
Ufton Nervet-Butler
Sulhamstead-Butler/Webb/Johnson
Caversham-Charlton/Chapman/Hissey
Theale-Lovegrove
Burghfield-Butler
Shottesbrooke-Charlton/Woodley
Reading-Charlton/Wiggins/Robbins/Powell.
Cheers! Lynn.
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Hi
I read that you have an interest in Butler family from Bradfield.
Do you have a connection to this family?
Here is what I have:
Alfred Butler employed as Labourer.
He had the following child:
William Butler was born in 1887.
William married(1) Sarah Mary Marden daughter of Charles Marden and Susan Maria Blake on 20 Jan 1920 in Parish Church of Sulhamstead Abbots, Berkshire. He had a witness to the marriage being George Thomas Butler.
Sarah was born(2) on 27 Jan 1891 in Islington, London, Middlesex.
Sarah lived at 3d, Beaconsfield Buildings, Islington, Middlesex in in 1891
Sources
(1)Register of Births, Deaths & Marriages, Bradfield 2c 727.
(2)Register of Births, Deaths & Marriages, Islington 1b 338.
These may be children to the marriage
Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
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Births Sep 1921
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Butler William C A Marden Bradfield 2c 613
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Births Sep 1926
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BUTLER June F Marden Bradfield 2c 567
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Births Jun 1936
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BUTLER Peter D M Marden Bradfield 2c 548
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hi leggy did your bryants move north to south hylton sunderland in the 1860s to work at the papermill.
neil
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Hi Lynn,
My maiden name was Wiggins and all my ancestors seem to come from Reading. If you can give me some names I will see if I can help.
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Hi there,
I have Mary Hamblin married to Richard Lewis, a market gardener. They had many children. One of which was Harriet whi married my 4 x gt grandfather, John Welsh in 1814 in Inkpen. I think they lived there for some time before moving north to Duns, near Montrose. They evenutually moved to Arbroath, where they died in the 1860's. Has anyone got any connection.
Kind regards,
Lynda