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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Perthshire => Topic started by: katarina on Saturday 29 January 05 23:04 GMT (UK)
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Does anyone have this census to make a lookup or know if it is available at all on the internet yet??
regards
Kat
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Hi there!
I am pretty sure that this is not on the internet but I can do a look-up for you if you want.
Ish
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Hello Ish,
I would be extremely grateful if you could do that look up for me. I have looked and looked to see if Abernethy 1841 is online but no luck.
Im desperate to pinpoint the birth county (and place if at all possible) of my Ancestor Hugh Robertson, a weaver by occupation and living in Abernethy, Perthshire at the time of the 1841 census. Hugh would be between 70-72 years old and his wife is Mary, she would be 65-66 years old. Hugh died in 1850 so the 1841 census is my only hope of getting past this brick wall re his birth place. Hugh and Mary are my 5x great grandparents. Also, if you come across James Robertson, aged 33 and John Robertson, aged 31, Both sons of Hugh and Mary, I would be grateful for the details of them as well, but if you dont see them then not to worry.
when you find Hugh and Mary Robertson could I be a pain and ask for the details of the household?
Thanks in advance
Kat
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Hi there
I will go and check this for you tomorrow (Thurs). I hope you are lucky!! One thing I have noticed is that there are no birth places shown for many local Perth areas on this census so keep your fingers, toes etc crossed.
Ish
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Hi there!!
Checked the census and good news! :) I found them in the following household :
Hugh Robertson (70) Hand Loom Weaver
David Robertson (25) Hand Loom Weaver
Mary Robertson (20) Hand Loom Weaver
Mary Mahon (60)
Ages were rounded on the census, hence the slight discrepancies. There was no given address - just Abernethy (if you know anything about it, you'll realise that even now it's very small!). They were all marked as 'having been born in the county' and I take by that they mean the county of Perthshire!
I looked right through Abernethy for any others that might be linked but chunks of the census was of really poor quality and almost impossible to make out so I didn't find anything else really. Robertson, though, wasn't a very common name in Abernethy which might make things easier for you.
You'll notice that the wife appeared to be marked with her maiden name - at least, I'm guessing that's the case as there were quite a few households I noticed like that. The name seemed to be Mahon but it was not terribly clear.
If I can check anything else for you don't hesitate to get back to me.
Best wishes
Ish
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Dear Ish,
I'm sorry for not replying sooner, I couldn't get on to my computer because I have been nursing my son for a few days, but he is ok now thank goodness.
Thank you so very very much for going out of your way and spending time looking up Hugh and his family for me! I'm happy to know that Hugh was born within the county, this does narrow my search for his birth and really does help alot.
I believe that Hugh is buried in Abernethy Churchyard along with his wife Mary, so maybe, just maybe one day I will be able to come up and find the churchyard one day. Im in the South East corner of England so Im hoping to get a holiday and have a look around places like Abernethy and Newburgh which is where the Robertsons went to next ( They went from being Weavers to Quarry owners in Newburgh and Abdie)
By the way, Mary's maiden name was Malcom and I can see how Mahon came about lol.
There is one thing on the census you found that has me thinking though. Hugh, Mary and David I know about, but I never knew that there was another Mary. Did the census state relationship to the head of the household at all in the 1841??? If so, could you tell me what it said for the youngest Mary in the household please? I need to do some more research if she is noted as daughter because I have found records for only one daughter or Hugh and Mary, and she was Janet born in 1805.
Once again, many thanks and bless your heart Ish
Kat
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No problem! Glad I could help!! It is very difficult getting info when you are far away from your roots. The census did not show any detail as to the relations of the household members so I just assumed that she was another daughter....
If I can check anything else just ask!! :)
Ish
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Kat,
I see from the IGI that John ROBERTSON and Mary MALCOLM were married on 6 Nov 1802 at St Madoes, Perthshire (the other side of the Firth - and where Hugh 1803, Janet 1805, James 1808, and John 1810 were christened).
Have you looked at the film of the OPR of their marriage? It probably won't have anything more than what shows in the IGI - but you never know!
Judy
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Hello Ish,
Could you do one last favour for me please?? I would be interested to find out what happened to Hugh's wife Mary after he died in 1850, so could you look up the 1851 census for Abernethy for me and find Mary Robertson aged about 76 years old. I know that Mary was alive then because she died in 1855 in Abernethy.
Could you note her birthplace for me please and also details of anyone else in the household with her as well please. I wonder if the younger Mary is still with her in 1851 and if the census states their relationship.
Many many thanks
Kat
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Hello Judy,
I've got a copy of the marriage extract of Hugh Robertson and Mary Malcolm and it doesn't state any details at all, just says that Hugh Robertson of St Madoes and Mary Malcolm of Abernethy make a proclamation of marriage basically.
Hugh died on 30th March 1850 in Abernethy and because it is pre registration I don't have a clue as to where I may find details to do with his death or burial. When I do find out where I can find this info Im hoping that it will make mention of one or other of his parents for me. Fingers crossed :-\
Thanks for your help
Kat
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No problem!
I will try to check that out for you tomorrow as I'll be at the library.
Ish
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Hello Ish,
Did you get the chance or time to look at the 1851 census at all???
If not, don't worry if its not possible and a very big thank you for your help once again.
All the best to you
Katarina
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I just joined the chatroom and see you were looking for your 5x GP Hugh Robertson who is also my 3x GP.
I can help in your query (2/3/05) re younger Mary. The gravestone of Hugh Robertson and Mary Malcolm in the Abernethy churchyard shows:-
"also their daughter Mary who died 29/3/1900 aged 83 years."
I did not find her birth in the OPR's nor that of David. I would be interested to know how you learned of him.
According to some notes I have of the Malcolm family Hugh's wife Mary was born at Abernethy on 4th February 1775 so was no chicken when Mary Junior was born in or around 1817.
Hope this helps
Ergo
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Hello Ergo,
Lovely to hear from you :). Im a direct descendent of Thomas Robertson, one of the siblings of David Robertson, so that would make us distant cousins of some sort.
David Robertson was born on 10 March 1814 in Abernethy Perthshire. This I found this information on a web site which published the Newburgh Congregational Church Parish Records, but I have not found anything on Scotlands People site yet about the birth of David nor of his younger sister Mary.
David married Margaret Fotheringham on 16 December 1846 in Newburgh Fife and they went on to have 5 children that I know about. Here is a list of the children:
1) Janet Robertson b 20/06/1850 Abernethy - Married James Brown (I dont know the date yet) - Janet Died 11/07/1901 and is buried at Abernethy Churchyard with her parents David Robertson and Margaret Robertson nee Fotheringham.
2) Hugh Robertson b 22/11/1851 -Died of Scarlet Fever in 1857 and is also buried with his parents in Abernethy Churchyard.
3) Mary Robertson b 27/07/1853 - Died of Scarlet Fever in 1857 and is also buried with her parents in Abernethy Churchyard.
4) Christian Robertson b 18/07/1855 Abernethy - Died of Scarlet Fever in 1857 and is also buried with her parents in Abernethy Churchyard.
5) William Robertson b 06/01/1859 Abernethy - nothing else known yet, and i believe he like Janet the eldest, survived to adulthood.
Getting back to David Robertson, the father of the above children - David built a house in Abernethy, a large house called Robertson House in Backwynd, Abernethy. I do not know if this is still standing or not and is probably now called something else.
David by occupation was a Salmon Fisher, Feuer and also a Magistrate - one very busy man all year round. on 7 June 1893 David died of Heart disease and was laid to rest with his wife Margaret who passed away on 3 August 1890, and of course with three of their children who sadly died from Scarlet Fever.
Im guessing that you must be descended from either Janet Robertson and James Brown or William Robertson and unknown spouse?
Going back to David's parents - Hugh Robertson and Mary Malcom, as you rightly said Mary was born on 4 Feb 1775 in Abernethy (to Thomas Malcolm and Janet Constable.) Mary was one of 7 children of Thomas and Janet. Not alot is known about Hugh Robertson. Its thought that he was born on 1 Jan 1869, but there is no proof yet but according to census return 1841 he was born in Perthshire.
Hugh and Mary married on 6 November 1802 in St Madoes, Perthshire and must have stayed there for some time after because 5 of their 7 children where born in Hawkstone, St Madoes- Hugh, Janet, Thomas, James and John. Between 1810-1814 the family moved to Abernethy, back to Mary Malcom's birth place and had two more children - David born 1814 and the very youngest, and the one i didnt know about until this year!, Mary born circa 1817. Mary never married and is buried in Abernethy churchyard with her parents Hugh and Mary. Hugh Robertson was a Weaver by trade and would have had a comfortable existence in the early 1800's, as weaving was a well paid trade in those days.
Right, I will shut up for now and give you a chance to add or ask about our shared ancestors and soak in the info i have given you so far. I do have quite a bit more on the Malcom side of the family but I am absolutely stumped as far as finding out anymore on Hugh Robertson b 1 jan 1769.
Katarina
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Cheers Kat,
Sorry I have taken so long to reply - my computer has been eaten by virus bugs but is now clean as new.
Many thanks for all your information about David. He was not on the microfiche in the Perth library when I looked many years ago, so I did not know about him.
I am much impressed by all your knowledge and doubt whether I shall be able to add anything to what you already know.
I too am descended from Hugh's son Tom so shall send you a personal message of identification.
You could be my long lost fairy godmother!!! That would be good.
Cheers - Ergy
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Hello Ergo,
I think i am probably a distant cousin and it would be lovely to compare notes so i will send a private message to you.
Kat
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Hi i was wondering if the James Robertson that you mention is any relation to myself. I have managed to get as far back as James Robertson born around 1852 in Abernethy whos mother was a Sarah Roy and whos father was also a James Robertson. - This is where i was wondering about as I do not know any other info about James senior, I dont believe that they were married although on James jnr marriage certificate it states his mother as sarah robertson nee Roy. James jnr then moved to Newburgh, Kirkaldy and back to Abernethy. I will post more correct info if you can shed any light on my querie
Thanks
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Hello,
My Robertsons are from Newburgh and Errol and I'm wondering if our families are related.
My ancestor Robert Robertson was a Labourer/Farmer born around 1800. He married Katharine Keir 1819 Errol before moving to Newburgh c1826. I have no direct evidence as to Robert Robertson's parentage as he died before 1851, however, I've made some deductions from some facts I've gathered:
There was a Robert Robertson buried in Newburgh Cemetery Lair 51, May 1848, Age 52. This is surely my ancestor.
Lair 51 was later purchased by Thomas Robertson, Mason in Newburgh and husband of Christina Fotheringham (They and several of their children are buried in the lair).
I therefore think it likely Thomas was Robert's brother, or less likely, a cousin.
There's no Robert recorded as being born to a Hugh Robertson, however there's a Hugh Robertson who married an Elizabeth Will 22 Nov 1794 at Saint Madoes and 24 Nov 1794 Errol. (Robert had no son called Hugh, but his wife didn't have a son named after her father either)
I could find no children recorded to this couple, but could this be a first marriage for Hugh? And could Robert have been born of this first marriage?
That's what I suspect, though sadly I haven't been able to prove it yet.
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Hello TunjiLees
I think you are absolutely right that your ancestor Robert Robertson is related to my Robertson ancestors. I do not know where your Robert fits in but im pretty sure he would have been a son or nephew of my Hugh Robertson who was born in Errol in 1769.
I have often wondered if Hugh was married firstly to Elizabeth Will but i've not had any conclusive proof yet but perhaps it's time to start searching again.
I'm descended from Hugh and Mary's son Thomas Robertson, yes the Thomas who bought lair 51 and i suspect that Robert and Thomas were half brothers or possibly cousins.
I'll have to dig out the tree again and get back to you on a few things but i wonder if we could check on the naming pattern of Robert and Katherine's children and see if there would be a link there to older generations that lay undiscovered to us.
Kat :)
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Robert Robertson m. Catharine Keir 12 Jun 1819 Errol, Perth had 10 children:
-Peter b. 1820 Errol
-Janet b. 1823 Grange, Errol
-George b. 1825 Muirhouses, Errol
-Elizabeth b. 1827 Newburgh
-Robert b. 1829 Newburgh
-James b. 1832 Newburgh
-Alexander b. 1834 Newburgh
-Catharine b. 1836 Newburgh
-James b. 1838 Newburgh
-Melvill b. 1841 Newburgh
[I haven't checked any of the original records for the Newburgh births. Does anyone know whether Newburgh OPRs have additional information such as witnesses or place of residence?]
Catharine Keir was born 1796 Kinnaird, to John Keir, Labourer/Joiner, & Janet Whittet.
Please let me know if you dig anything up, or have any ideas/leads =)
Tunji