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Research in Other Countries => Europe => Topic started by: colin12 on Thursday 18 September 08 20:51 BST (UK)
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Hi All, Any ideas how I can trace: Charles Mende b. 1825 in Germany (Prussia), he appears in the 1861 UK Census, residing in Sheffield, working as Black Smith, obviously been there for at least 3 years as the daughter Anne was born there, however nothing shown on the 1851 Census. Anne was married to my Great Granddad. Any ideas?
Many thanks
Colin
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Just some ideas- where was Charles' wife born? could they have been married in England? if so, have you looked for a record of the marriage?
Have you tried looking for Charles and family in places like LDS site (www.familysearch.org)?
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His wife apparently came from Bavaria according to the 1871 Census RG10/4696
Colin
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All children born in England? If so, it would be worth looking for marriage in English indexes. Have you looked on LDS site yet?
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Hi
On FreeBMD there's a marriage entry for:
John Doler
Mary Greaves
Christi(a)na Rider
Carl Mende
in the Sheffield district for the Dec quarter of 1856
Andy :)
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Hi Andy, Done as you suggested on the LDS site and came up with his marriage in 1849 in Prussia to Christiane Friederike Fischer. Very interesting the town is now in Poland, but how on earth did they manage to get to Sheffield?
Cheers
Colin
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Colin,
You didn't mention the name of Charles' Bavarian wife?
Sorry, if I'm missing something, but how are you sure that Christiane is the right woman? Do you have Anne's birth certificate?
Unfortunately, the LDS record you found was submitted by a member, so you really have to treat it with extreme caution. Very few German records have been microfilmed by the LDS.
Justin
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I'm confused also. If wife was from Bavaria how can you be certain the (submitted) Prussian marriage is the correct wife?
Andy posted a Sheffield possiblity which might also be worth considering, especially since you know the family lived in Sheffield.
The 'Prussian' bride is Christiane and the Sheffield one is Christina? so going by Christian names alone either or neither might be correct.
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I'm pretty sure the Sheffield marriage must be what you're looking for.
Their daughter was born there only the next year.
And how many Carl (anglicised: Charles) Mende and Christiana couples can there be out there.
I suggest getting a copy of the marriage certificate for useful information in tracking these two further back.
Andy :)
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Hi Guys, I will get a copy of the birth cert from Sheffiled, thanks for everything
Cheers
Colin
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Hi colin, I have just started my family tree yesterday and was staggered at how far I had gone (mum had some old certificates so was a great help...) seems we share Charl Mende. My great grandfather was William Mender (somehow Mende was dropped) b.1868 on censuses 1871 and 1881 so any info you can pass on would be so appreciated. I was always told that 'Grandfather Mender'; had travelled from Germany on a trunk, which sat in the Parlour in Darlington. the seat had a dent where he had been perched on the journey to England. I saw the birth certificate of William today and was sad to see that Christiana was only able to put her 'cross' as her signature.
William and Ann must have been brother and sister?
William worked as a Wire furnaceman, mum told me he lost an eye when he worked there in sheffield. (how awful)...Mum now is 76 and I would love to finally put to rest the rumour about how an ancestor appears to have been German. Thats all I know about him. Until today we didnt know his name etc..
Thanks a million, Carol and thanks for reading this
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Hi Carol, on holiday at the moment will contact you on my return. Cheers Colin
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Hi Carol, Wehave just got back from Florida, my wife was quite excited to read your email, you have the same Charles Mende and the 'r' was added later by someone because thats how Germans pronounce a word ending with 'e'. The Mende's came orginally from Prussia, which was subsequently dived into a number of counyries, our s became part of Poland. I ahve the name of the town so must look for it, it might be easier to contact me by email, (*) give me a call if you would like, I am often up in Richmond, and us to be stationed at RAF Catterick. Look forward to hearing from you
Cheers Colin
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Hi colin, Hope you and your wife had a good time in Florida..this website has removed your email address and i suspect it will do the same for mine if I gave it to you
Maybe my telephone number will work * I live in Nottingham.
Quite interesting to see you mention RAF Catterick .
Charles had a son William who had quite a few children. Eva (my grandmother) Caroline (her sister)
Caroline's son (Harry) was stationed at RAF Catterick during the 1950/60's. So many still live in Darlington.
We seem to be tantalisingly close to finding out which part of Poland he orignates from.
Mum is on a hotline to Darlington with any info I can find on the Menders.
The 'grandfathers' chest was not in a prlour in Darlington but a parlour in Sheffield. An Aunt Bertha had it. Not sure who she is.
I hope we can make contact..I think ?I need to do a few 'posts' in order for me to be able to use the Personal Message service.
Hope to be in contact soon.
Carol