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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Staffordshire => Topic started by: Bellou on Tuesday 16 September 08 16:40 BST (UK)
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Can anyone identify where this could be ? My family came from Oldbury and were canal boatmen and lived in Oldbury . My Gr x 2 Grandfather James Hollway (b1852) had a Canal boat coal business there.
If anyone is able to improve it - all the better ?
Thanks
Bellou :) :)
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Not sure how much help this is but here goes....
I checked the 1881 census and found what I assume is your Holloways at 7 Canalside.
There was a pub 'The Boat' at Canalside, Oldbury in this period, where Birchfield Lane crossed the canal.
Perhaps you could visit that location (just off J2 of the M5) and see if there is any trace of the building in the photograph - you never know :)
Good luck!
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Thanks . My family are at 7 Canal Side in 1881! I am not sure if I can get up there . Does anyone live near Oldbury who could go and have a look? ;D
Or has anyone got any old photos/postcard which could show the area? I expect that is a bit of a long shot.
Bellou :) :)
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I searched through this site for you...
http://www.blackcountryhistory.org.uk/default.aspx
but couldn't find a relevant image. I'll ask around as I know a few people in the area.
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It looks as if there won't be any trace of those buildings if it *is* Canal Side in the photograph. This picture shows the area today - the Boat Inn was where I've drawn a red arrow and a dual carriageway crosses the canal at that point (the large building is ToysRUs' - progress eh?).
Looking at the 1880 OS maps there was a row of buildings SW of the triangular basin where I've drawn a blue line. Quite possibly a suitable location for a coal merchant.
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Thank you very much. You have taken a lot of trouble for me . Much appreciated . Looks as if that area has all changed , but good to know where it was .
Very attractive that ToysRus building ! I would have through the Canal side buildings in the photo and even the coal merchants would be preferable!
Bellou :) :)
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My family lived at 8 Canal Side in 1881 - what a coincidence!
Great photo to add to the family archive!
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Hi Boogie Girl
What was the name of your family ? They were most probably next door neighbours as there may only have been one side numbering on the ide of the canal.
Bellou
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Hi Bellou
Harley
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Just caught up with this. There are a lot of "Canal Sides" in the area and at least two in Oldbury. The one in the photo taken from the air, next to Toys 'r Us, on the Portway branch of the Titford Canal, is too far outside the town, I grew up very near it in Whiteheath. The two most likely Canal Sides are the one near the Whimsey Bridge, Oldbury, next to the Mecca bingo hall (I think) where the road from Blackheath crosses the canal, and the other is near Bromford Lane, where the road to West Bromwich crosses the now filled-in Oldbury Loop Canal. There was a Canal Side parallel to the present Simpson Street, near the centre of the town, on that Loop Canal. There are photos in some of the books on the area eg. Paul Collins' Black Country Canals.
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Hi Bellou, do you have a Daniel Holloway in your tree? I found details of a coaldealer called Daniel Holloway who in about 1840 built himself a house in Halford's Lane which in about 1860 became the pub "The Old House at Home" In 1855 he also built 8 cottages on adjoining land.
Here's the link, a lot of text here, type Holloway as search on page to find it
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=36173
Julie
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My family lived at 7 canal side, my name is bob holloway, On the 1891 census Joseph was my great gf and Samuel was my GF
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I have lots of info and would share with anyone who knows anything that can help with my research, incidently 7 canal side was in ryders green, swan village not acually oldbury
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Hi Bob
It looks as we are related! I have sent you a private message!
Regards
Bellou
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Julie
I have just seen your post. I don't think I have a Daniel Holloway in my tree , but do have coal! They may have been related somewhere . I seem to have a lot of James and Johns .
Regards
Bellou
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I do not have a Daniel either, lots of Joseph's and Mary's and no donkey either :D
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I was reading this and i tend to agree with Den.
Canalside was on the Whimsey Bridge.Holloways had a Boat Builders and possibly also a coal wharf there in the 50's.
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Many thanks, Bobbie Jo. I was at a meeting of the Oldbury Local History Group today and asked Terry Daniels, the Oldbury expert, about it. He said there could have been as many as five or six blocks of buildings called Canalside in 19th c. Oldbury. The most likely area associated with Holloway's coal wharf was off Church Street / Bromford Lane on the old Oldbury Loop Canal, now filled in. The other possibility is, as I suggested, along from the Whimsey Bridge. Various older people in the audience said it depended which generation of Holloways we were talking about - they may have moved about!
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I understand that my gr x 2 Grandfather James Holloway (1852 - 1941) had a coal yard in Bromyard Rd Oldbury . I don't know the area at all. Is there a Canal Side by there? I was told that the family had a large house and a coalyard by the canal there and Grandma Eliza (nee Beaton) used to heave the coal sacks ! Must have been a strong lady ? I don't have a photo of her ! I was also told they had an old train carriage they used as an office in th yard . Anyone know anything about that?
In 1941 when James Holloway died he was living with his daughter Fanny and son in law Edgar Smith.
Bellou
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This is all seems to fit in with Canalside being the one in Bromford Lane .The canal was where The Harmonic pub was on the bridge.Just before the fair ground.
Also in Bromford Lane is Oldbury Railway Station so that may be why your grandmother had a train carriage.
Beaton? Thats an Oldbury name.I knew quite a few Beatons growing up in Oldbury.
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Can anyone identify where this could be ? My family came from Oldbury and were canal boatmen and lived in Oldbury . My Gr x 2 Grandfather James Hollway (b1852) had a Canal boat coal business there.
If anyone is able to improve it - all the better ?
Thanks
Bellou :) :)
I may not be able to add much but perhaps can confirm some detail. The Canal Side in question must be the one referred to as being by Simpson Street as Pinfold Street (which is still there) runs off Simpson. Please bear with me.
I am trying to find details of my Aunt's family and using the 1881 Census, as others have, and have located her Grandfather Edward Evans and family at No: 8 Canal Side. James Holloway (28)- Boatman, Eliza (29),James (5), John (4) and Isaac (2) are listed at No:7 and if you scroll through a few "Previous Households" then details of families in Pinfold Street are seen. A map that I have seen on the net for Pinfold Street shows without much detail what looks like a small stretch of enclosed canal coming almost to Pinfold Street itself.
The glorious ToysRUs site can now be forgotten as Pinfold Street remains just below Oldbury Town Centre. Hope the additional Holloway names mean something to you.
Mavro
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That's great! The Holloway family you mention are my gr x 2 Grandfather James Holloway and family (John is my great Grandfather) . Are any houses still there ? Perhaps the Evans and Holloway family were related? They seemed to live in canal st for some time
I have a photo of James at his coal business in Oldbury with horse and cart. I assume that that must have been nearby.
Many thanks
bellou :) :)
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That's great! The Holloway family you mention are my gr x 2 Grandfather James Holloway and family (John is my great Grandfather) . Are any houses still there ? Perhaps the Evans and Holloway family were related? They seemed to live in canal st for some time
I have a photo of James at his coal business in Oldbury with horse and cart. I assume that that must have been nearby.
Many thanks
bellou :) :)
Bellou,
When I see my Aunt I will ask if Holloways are related but are not aware at this stage. When next in the area I will also look to see if any premises remain but feel they must have been demolished many years ago. I would assume (and there's the danger ) that the coal business would have been very close more than likely alongside the canal.
Mavro
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Would it be any help to view the description (on the relative Censuses), of the Enumeration Districts? This feature has helped me to pinpoint several locations for my ancestors.
giraffe