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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Shropshire => Topic started by: Sharon66 on Monday 15 September 08 15:51 BST (UK)
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Hi All
Death cert finally arrived and not sure I am any much wiser - writing on it is hideous!
Anyway what I can make out is the following:-
Died 13 May 1918 at Chuck Mole Villa, Pen???bury(possibly) RD.
Her name is correct as is her fathers name and his occupation is written as ?something? Pensioners
I am struggling to read the cause of death of which there are two - I can make out Pulmony Haemorrhage but thats about it. Can't read residence of informant. (Have attached copy of cert for all the clever ones who can read scrawl of which I am unfortunately not one!)
Now the name Chuck Mole Villa rang a bell and when I checked back through my records I found that her father Frederick William Danavell had listed this place as his intended place of residence (it was written as Chuck Mole Villa, Hanwood, Nr Shrewsbury) when he was medically discharged from the army on the 14 April 1918.
Is Chuck Mole Villa familiar with anyone as anything other than a house or residence. The reason I ask is because Frederick, his wife and two children were all born and brought up in St Pancras and I can think of and know of no link to Shrewsbury or the nearby area with this family. Even when Frederick enlisted it was in London with the London Regiment, 19th Battalion.
Look forward to hearing from anyone with any ideas or superb reading skills.
Thank you
Sharon
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On closer investigation I think Cruckmole should be Cruckmeole as this can be found in Hanwood
Sharon.
P.S Noticed the death cert isn't big enough to read on site. I do have it larger on my P.C if needed...
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Hi,
The occupation looks like Army Pensioner.
Cause of death: Phthisis (?)...this was what we know as TB.
Exhaustion ?
Nanny Jan
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Location - Pontesbury
Residence of Informant - Cruck Meole
Agree with Nanny Jan on other 2.
Kanskar
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Hi Sharon,
Can you enlarge and post just the sections that are hard to read? Should not post complete certificates.
Nanny Jan
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Thank you to all the replies I have had so far.
Every little helps and Oops sorry you are right. I didn't give it a thought when I posted it!
Sharon
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I am actually wondering if 'Cruck Meole Villa' was some kind of lung/chest sanatorium as when Frederick her father went there after being discharged from the army he was suffering from Chronic Bronchitis brought on by the inhalation of mustard gas. On his medical records it says that he had valvular disease of the heart also attributed to mustard gas.
Just a thought.
Sharon
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The informant looks like her Uncle.........E Margan?
Nanny Jan
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Now you mention it, I can certainly see that it could say uncle although the name means absolutely nothing to me at the moment.
I really need to try and find what connects my Danavells from London with Atcham.
Sharon
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My try
Esiah H Cole???
RR
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Could this be the uncle?
Marriages: (FreeBMD)
Edward Dudley Morgan SepQ 1906 Whitchurch,S. 6a 1502
bride: Sarah Emily Danavell
Nanny Jan
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It most certainly could be because Emily Sarah Danavell was Fredericks sister!
Thank you so much!
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I can't find anything on the net with reference to Cruck Meole 'Villa'. Did houses have names in those days or just numbers does anyone know?
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A mixture; in the built-up areas houses would be numbered but often in more rural parts the houses would just have names, especially "villas".
Nanny Jan
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Looks like the Villa was a private house.
In 1913 (from the Kellys Directory of Shropshire) the villa was occupied by Robert Madeley.
Kanskar
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Thank you so much for all the time and effort everyone has taken to help and offer advice.
It has been really appreciated.
With thanks
Sharon
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Hi, Sharon
I'm a bit behind the times here, but I've just spotted your queries re a possible Atcham Asylum. I've just learnt that an ancestor of mine died "in an asylum" at Shrewsbury in 1889. Ancestry UK's death records actually show him as dying at "Atcham".
So did you ever find out whether there was what nowadays we'd call a mental hospital at Shrewsbury ? (He was living in Shrewsbury for the 1881 Census, & still presumably OK at the time)
Peter
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Hi Peter,
Here in Shrewsbury we have the Shelton hospital, that used to be the main asylum for what i can make out for Shropshire, try googling it, We do have a few workhouses that came under the district of Atcham although I think its Shelton you may be after,
Best wishes
Pete :)
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Pete -
Thanks for suggestion. Atcham is definitely given as the place where my gt gt grandad's death was registered, and (looking at the map) it's on the opposite side of Shrewsbury to Shelton Hosp. I suppose anyone dying in the Shelton area wd have their death recorded in the approp district, & Atcham seems a long way out. I've re-checked the 1881 Census & see that he was then recorded as living in Coton Hill/Oak Yard (Castle Without ward of Shrewsbury), so am still rather puzzled by the Atcham registration, wherever he died.
Best wishes
Peter
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Hi Pete.
Your ancestors death would have been registered in the Atcham district, What puzzles a lot of people is the fact that Atcham itself is a small village no more then a few houses, yet the Atcham district covers a large part of the county including Shrewsbury, It is no wonder that our oversea cousins cant get there head around our archiac systems :) :)
Best wishes
Pete
P.S belive me I was born Shrewsbury although I am registered in Atcham dist according to my birth cert
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Thanks, Pete - that's very helpful. I've come across this kind of thing before. It's probably something to do with how districts were administered in the days when registration was first set up, & it's never been changed - historically interesting, but frustrating for present-day research!
When researching my late wife's family, all of whom lived in the Clayton/Great Horton part of Bradford, I found all BMDs were recorded as "North Bierley". This puzzled me, as I'd never heard of it when I lived in Bradford for 3 years. So I looked at an OS map. There's no such place as North Bierley! There IS a Bierley and an East Bierley - neither of which are anywhere near Clayton & Gt Horton! It's just a minor suburb, but is (or was) important to the registrars!
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I believe that the original registration districts corresponded with the Poor Law administrative areas.
Cati
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Cruckmeole House, Cruckmeole, Pontesbury is on the Shrewsbury listed building register here
http://www.shrewsbury-atcham.zenwebhosting.com/planninglist/LBDetail.asp?LBNo=1056/4/174
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Did that last web address work for you? It didn't for me but this did and you can see the house if you go for the Googlemap/streetview tab. i'm late joining in I know, just came across this when looking for Pontesbury link
http://www.britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/en-259477-cruckmeole-house-pontesbury-
Kait