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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Kent => Topic started by: tropicalj on Saturday 13 September 08 05:09 BST (UK)
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Hello there
Hoping someone can help me. I have an ancestor who's marriage in listed on Pallots.. Peter Shoebridge married Philidelphia Vinall
Now will there be any other further information other than their names to be found?.
kind thoughts Jenn
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Hello Jenn
On A.. the additional on the image is Tonbridge Kent 1823. I would be interested if this is the sum total, or there is information other than "the original paper slip index" which forms the images.
Trish
PS My OH has family from Tonbridge and nearby
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Thanks Trisha
I did have that bit of information I should have posted it . I realise it is not a "marriage certificate" as we know it but I wondered if their might be anything further.
I had posted a couple of years ago about Phillidelphia, but could not find any details for her parents. I know she died in 3rd quarter 1849 at Tonbridge, which meant no census information for 1851 and in 1841 she is not born in County.
I have been able to work backwards and forwards with Peter Shoebridge who is GGGGfather on my fathers side of the family., with a little help from my friends on RC and further afield.
Jenn
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Hi Jenn
Sorry, should have realised you had all that. Someone has been detailing the lady, some time ago, on the IGI. Was that you? the death is given
The marriage is given as 6 Apr 1823 - If anyone has access to the parish record, you could cross fingers for a father of the bride? (or do you have this also?)
Trish
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Hi Jenn/Trish :)
On a 1823 marriage certificate it would sometimes say by Banns or Licence.
Also it can say if bachlelor or spinster and if from another Parish.
Possible to all so note if with consent of parents if either under age.
Possible witnesses could be relations or Church Wardens etc.
Only father's name if a witness until 1837 when his name and occupation
would be noted also.
Sandy
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Thanks Sandy - I find many of the OPRs in Scotland contain the name of the father of the bride, but must admit I don't think I've seen in in England - shame it is :(
Trish
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Thanks Ladies
four that information.
Trisha , I had seen the mariage dtails on the IGI but no idea who if anyone had placed it there or if it was from the Pallot's marriages.
Sandy, have you any idea how I could go about getting a copy of the marriage?
I would hazard a guess and say the death certificate from 1849 would not hold a great deal of information either?
kind thoughts Jenn
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English death certificates are not a vast amount of information Jenn - but you can be lucky as I once found, however, on a female death you usually get a husband, which you know & the informant is likely to be husband or child, which you probably know as well. Parents are unlikely to happen unless she died in her parents home - unlikely. The parish record for the marriage may be a better option - it may indicate if they came from another parish - but if the whole family had moved, you would be none the wiser
Someone from the area will hopefully pass by with more information :), if not you could try a request for a parish lookup, or get the film if you are anywhere near an LDS centre
Trish
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Thanks for that advice Trisha, I wonder if the film will just show the same as the Pallot's details?
Yes I do have all the children a large number of them to be sure ;) All I want is to find her birth details.
kind thoughts Jenn
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Could this be her....Philadephia Vinal Christened 25 th Sept' 1808 in Cowfold Sussex..Parents James Vinal and Philadephia...Extracted info' off the IGI...
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Hi hepburn
I saw that one - but there is also an extracted marriage in Cowfold 1833, which I thought was probably that lady?
Trish
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There are some burials here Jenn
http://www.kent-opc.org/Parishes/PRTranscripts/HildenboroughBurD.html
including
John Vinall Tonbridge 25 August 1866 60 - wonder if he could be a brother?
Trish
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Hi Jenn
Just come back from a (wet under foot) churchyard looking for War Graves. :)
You can ask someone here if they would look up the marriage and send you a copy.
Also they maybe able to find the graves in the Churchyard if you know where
and send you those.
Sandy
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http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=332669.msg2124891
thanks for that
I have now posted up a lookup for it
kind thoughts to all who replied
Jenn
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The following could be of interest to you regarding the VINALL's of Kent. The Rev.Edward Vinall officiated at Tonbridge Parish Church to the marriage to my 2xg.grandfather James May and Eliza Vinall b. Hadlow, by Tonbridge, Kent, c. 1810. Eliza's mother was called Sarah Vinall.
Eliza was a widow when she married James, her previous surname was Playford. I do not know if she was related to the Rev Vinall, but her only son to James May was christened Edward, he became my g.grandfather.
I have an old photo of the Rev. Edward Vinall if you would like me to send you a copy.
Letitia Vinall was Edward's wife. I know of other children, Charles, Edward, Arthur, Frances Letitia, and Mary Louisa.
The Rev Vinall was also the Vicar for Hildenborough Church
Regards,
Jane
Scotland
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Hello there
and welcome to Roots chat
that is a very kind offer and I will pm you.
Jenn