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Research in Other Countries => Europe => Topic started by: Sally7216 on Friday 12 September 08 13:20 BST (UK)
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Im tearing my hair out here. I have posted a while ago but i haven't got anywhere unfortunately.
I am trying to research family members of Waldemar Anton August Vogeley born 11 Sep 1902 Rendsburg Schlesswig-Holstein. Died 19 Jan 1994 Itzehoe Germany. This is my husband's grandfather. I believe the name was Vogelei to begin with and it was changed. I don't know if this was because he was a socialist or a communist and was taken to the concentration camps by the Nazi's. Maybe he decided to change it after that. He was married to KAthe Schultz and had a daughter Herta Minna. I would like to find her brothers if possible and also Waldemar's parents names. There were at least three brothers. One was Archie (don't know how that would have been spelt over there), one was Artur and the other i have no idea of his name. One committed suicide and another died in a motor vehicle accident. I believe Archie was the surviving one.
He has a daughter called Angelica.
I have searched on ancestry and all i get is those who went off to the states which is not this family.
There was also one piece of info on the internet about Waldemar being a socialist. Apart from that i have nothing to go on and haven't had any luck contacting organisations in Itzehoe either.
I think this line is going to be given up on my searching soon as not being able to speak german is definitely holding me back.
I would appreciate any help anyone could give me.
Hope i have posted this in the correct place.
Thanks
Sally
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What about a letter to the local newspaper (without mentioning the political bits as such things can still be quite sensitive)?
If Itzhoe is a fairly small place a letter (in German) to Vogeley family might produce some results. (I was able to find German relatives of my grandmother's that way)
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Thank you i will try that.
Sally
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I cannot find a newspaper local to that area now :(
Not doing well am i? haha!!
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Did you try in german ? :)
itzehoe zeitung brings up several, including
http://www.steinburg.city-map.de/city/db/021401100000/Itzehoe/1/729/Zeitungen.html
with three addresses. Write in english, and if that doesn't work, let us know and somebody here will translate for you.
good luck,
Bob
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thanks Bob - now off to try it
Sally
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Hello Sally,
Firstly Vogeley to Vogelei is not really a name change. Many words in modern German that end in 'ei' used to be spellt 'ey', e.g. bey/bei, sey/sei.
They are phonetically identical.
Your husband is entitled under German Law to obtain a copy of his grandfather's birth certificate from the relevant Standesamt (Registry office). He should write to:
Standesamt Rendsburg
Neues Rathaus
Am Gymnasium 4
24768 Rendsburg
email address: standesamt [at] rendsburg.de
He will be asked to prove his direct relationship to Waldemar.
Unfortunately, German law limits access to vital records after c1873 to direct decendents. This means your husband is NOT entitled to receive any information regarding Waldemar's siblings, or any children other than your husband's father/mother. Very frustrating!
Hope this helps,
Justin
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Hello Sally
"There was also one piece of info on the internet about Waldemar being a socialist."
Where on the internet have you found this info and what says it exactly?
"I haven't had any luck contacting organisations in Itzehoe either."
Which organisations / archives have you tried to contact in Itzehoe?
"Firstly Vogeley to Vogelei is not really a name change. Many words in
modern German that end in 'ei' used to be spellt 'ey', e.g. bey/bei, sey/sei.
They are phonetically identical."
Vogeley in German and Vogelei in German are phonetically identical.
Vogeley in Englisch and Vogeli in German are phonetically identical.
There are also the names Vögeli, Voegeli, Vögelin, Voegelin, Vögelein.
Kind regards
Svenja
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Hello Sally,
if you go to www.dastelefonbuch.de ,you can find some Vogelei.
kind regards
Brigitte
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Well we are nearly a year on now since my last posting on here and i am no further forward. I did try the ad. in the local paper to no avail. I am actually at the moment in Itzehoe (5 miles away) this week and went to the local museum to see if there was anything on him there but to no avail.
We did find the gravestone of Waldemar and Kathe however so that was a relief at least.
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There's One Vogeley in the original home town of Itzehoe:-
Vogeley Artur
Reichenstr. 4
Tel: 04821 6 40 10
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5 kilometres away in Ohlendorf there's
Vogeley Wilfried
Ziegelei 6
25588 Oldendorf
Tel: 04821 7 87 87
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there's another two Vogeley(s) about 23 kilometres away
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There are 7 Schultz households in the town: 2 near the town centre and the rest about 2km from the centre
good luck
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thanks Rena
That Artur i did write to before i think he was the son of Waldemar but he died a couple of years ago.
Sally
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Oh what a bummer.
I got the name, address & phone number from the German white page telephone book. It's a bit awkward that they've got the number allocated to a man who died two years ago !
below is the "expanded" search webpage which also indicates mileage/kilometres. Arthur & wilfred seem out of fashion names so I wondered if they were the same generation & related.
http://www.infobel.com/en/world/Teldir.aspx?Ct=Europe&Co=Germany&Dn=Das%20Telefonbuch&url=http://www.dastelefonbuch.de/
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Hello Sally
I was in Germany earlier this year and when I had some spare time after sightseeing I went to the town archives and just asked if they had something on the name I was researching and was given a folder I could look at and photo copy. Worth a try. You could also go to the Standesamt and ask for a copy of the Sterbeurkunde. It could tell you more. Itzehoe is not a very large town, you could also try the Parish Offices.
Good luck, Peonie