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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Oxfordshire => England => Oxfordshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: gingerslf on Friday 12 September 08 09:15 BST (UK)
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Hi
I'm looking to find the mother and father and any other info on Dorothy Mary Prior born 14/11/1897.
I think she married a Henry Winter from Norfolk in Woodstock in 1927.
I believe her mother may have been called Mary Ann.
Dorothy had a sister Margaret b1899 in Woodstock Union Workhouse..her mother was Mary Ann, her residence is given as the workhouse, but no father is given on birth certificate.
Any info is gratefully received... ;)
Thanks
Steve
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Hi Steve,
What about this one in 1901 in Woodstock, Oxfordshire
RG13 / 1392 / 15 / 22
Letitia Prior head age 57 occ charwoman
Charlotte dau age 17 occ glove machinist
Dorothy M dau age 4
Margaret M dau age 1
Mary A Prior niece age 3
All b Woodstock
If you have access to ancestry check the original census as it gives Letitia as single.
Also gives occupation of niece as glove ? worker and age looks like 31 and not 3
Hope this helps :)
Sue :)
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Sue...just to clarify then....
I had seen that...but was confused as to the ages....???
Charlotte is daughter of Letitia...Correct?
Mary Ann (aged 31, not 3) is the niece of Letitia and is the mother of Margaret and Dorothy Mary based on the info I already have re Margaret.
So Letitia is Mary Ann's aunt...and Mary Ann is the daughter of one of Letitia's siblings.......................... ???
Steve
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Mary Ann would be dau of Letitia's brother or sister ??? Lets check other census :)
1871 in Woodstock RG10 / 1449 / 46 / 33
John Prior head age 60 occ bailiff
Louisa wife age 50
Letitia dau age 27
Thomas son age 22 occ groom
All b Oxfordshire, Address Horse Fair, Woodstock
Sue
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Here they are in 1881 :)
RG11 / 1512 / 41 / 16
John Prior head age 70 b Woodstock, occ town crier ( munic )
Louisa wife age 54 b Bletchington, Oxfordshire
Letitia dau age 41, single, b Woodstock, no occ
Mary Ann Prior granddaughter age 14 b Tackley, Oxfordshire
Address Oxford Street, Woodstock
So is Mary Ann dau of Thomas or Letitia ???
Sue :)
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So is Mary Ann dau of Thomas or Letitia ???
Sue :)
To confirm I will need Mary Ann birth certificate..right :)
As Mary Ann is still with Letitia in 1881 would that suggest she is her mother?
Tackley...That's where I was born.... ;D
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Trouble is i can't find any of them in 1891 ???
Maybe Mary Ann is the daughter of Thomas, Letitia's brother ???
What do you think?
Sue :)
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Hi both,
Here's 1891:
RG12/1173 135 18
Woodstock, Oxfordshire
Ofriff? Hill
Letitia Prior, head, s, 48, Domestic servant, b. Woodstock
Polly (= Mary A?), niece, s, 22, Domestic servant, b. do.
Charlotte, dau, 8, b. do.
:)
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I thought that initially....Louisa was Johns 2nd wife, Catherine was the 1st, they had 5 children:
John born 1837 was in London in 1861, that counts him out....I think.
James born 1843 married a Harriet in 1870.
Georgina born 1846..that's all I know.
Thomas born 1849
Letitia...I have found DOB's ranging from 1839 to 1844.
I can't find details of Mary Ann to get a birth certificate!???
I also can't find them on 1891...
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1871 for Mary?
RG10/1449 58 15
Woodstock, Oxfordshire
Brook Hill
James Prior, head, 25, Agricultural Labourer, b. Woodstock
Harriett, wife, 25, Domestic servant, b. Tackley
Mary Ann, dau, 4, b. do.
Just going to check if John and Louisa had a son James ...
(oops sorry, just realising you knew they had a James :-[)
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Oh well done Tati ;D ;D ;D
Had been searching for that with no luck ::)
Ok Steve looks like Tati has answers there for you ;D ;D
Sue :)
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Polly (= Mary A?), niece, s, 22, Domestic servant, b. do.
Hi Tati..NICE one...my mum mentioned a Polly, she said that was what her gran was called!... ;D
Thanks both of you..:):):)
Here's 1891:
RG12/1173 135 18
Woodstock, Oxfordshire
This is not working for me..gets another Letitia in Bexley and Bromfield!
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Not looking too bad despite different wife for John ...
1851
HO107/1730 336 24
Woodstock, Oxfordshire
John Prior, head, 40, Publican
Catherine, wife, 38, Green Grocer
John, son, 14
Letitia, dau, 9
James, son, 8
Georgiana, dau, 6
Thomas, son, 4
Thomas Wilks, visitor, 35, Weaver
Charles Dexter, visitor, mar, 50, Glover born London
All bar Dexter born Woodstock
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Here's 1891:
RG12/1173 135 18
Woodstock, Oxfordshire
This is not working for me..gets another Letitia in Bexley and Bromfield! ???
Tried typing in Letitia and Polly..still no good!
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Hmmm ...
Marriage Dec 1870
Woodstock 3a 1054
Harriett Hemmings - James Prior
Birth Jun 1867 Woodstock 3a 652
Mary Ann Hemmings
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This is not working for me..gets another Letitia in Bexley and Bromfield! ???
Tried typing in Letitia and Polly..still no good!
Look at the image ;)
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Did that, but they are not the ones in Woodstock... ???
Apologies for being a div!
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No prob - sending PM :D
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This Letitia (FORIS) was born in 1849...Johs daughter Letitia seems to have a DOB varying from 1839 to 1844..Is it another Letitia?
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I found that one but ruled it out as dob was out ???
Did have a look for a marriage for Letitia with no luck ???
Sue
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I found that one but ruled it out as dob was out ???
Did have a look for a marriage for Letitia with no luck ???
Sue
But my mum did mention that her gran was called Polly Prior...but I could never find one, so assumed it must be a pet name....I just phoned to check and she says POLLY! ???
So where are we now...LOL
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Same combination of names ... I'm quite sure the 1891 census is correct! (And Polly is a traditional pet name for Mary)
According to the 1851 census, Letitia was born ca. 1842, therefore her age in 1891 isn't much out at all ??? (She's clearly 48 on the image)
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Oh boy, I'm lost now! ;D
Why are we searching a marriage for Letitia when she's down as single all the way? ???
Haven't we established that Mary Ann was the daughter of James? (Or of his wife Harriet Hemmings anyway, given she was born before the marriage of James and Harriet) :P
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Are Mary Ann and Polly the same person?
I need to get my head around this and clarify...
Letitia is the dau of John (there is only one Letitia) and Mary Ann (or Polly) is the daughter of Thomas, son of John b1811..
Please say yes..LOL
Looks like we posted at same time... ;D
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Are Mary Ann and Polly the same person?
I think so :)
I believe this to be Mary Ann in 1871
1871 for Mary?
RG10/1449 58 15
Woodstock, Oxfordshire
Brook Hill
James Prior, head, 25, Agricultural Labourer, b. Woodstock
Harriett, wife, 25, Domestic servant, b. Tackley
Mary Ann, dau, 4, b. do.
and this her parents' marriage and her birth registration
Marriage Dec 1870
Woodstock 3a 1054
Harriett Hemmings - James Prior
Birth Jun 1867 Woodstock 3a 652
Mary Ann Hemmings
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But what about Polly..... :o ;D
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Polly is a pet name for Mary :)
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Polly is a pet name for Mary :)
Good...Glad we got that sorted...
Gotta go..I need a lie down after all that....:)
Thanks for the help......
I'll see what else I can find for you.;)
Steve
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Me again......
From an early post:
Marriage Dec 1870
Woodstock 3a 1054
Harriett Hemmings - James Prior
Birth Jun 1867 Woodstock 3a 652
Mary Ann Hemmings
Trying to find out who the real father is of Mary Ann now.....
I have found a marriage for James Hemmings in Woodstock 1865 3a 1156, but no spouse given on Ancestry......
Any offers please..;)
As James Prior married Harriet Hemmings in 1870 I assumed that James Hemmings had died, but I can't find a death on Ancestry...
any offers....;)
Steve
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Have found a James Hemmings (b 1846 son) and family on 1861:
Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 902; Folio: 53; Page: 12
There is a daughter Harriet born 1846!...but the Harriet who married would not have been a Hemmings would she?
Also when Harriet gave birth to Mary Ann should would have been just 16 if the ages are correct from above post....
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Morning :)
There is a daughter Harriet born 1846!...but the Harriet who married would not have been a Hemmings would she?
Why not? :) This Harriet looks very good to me ... If Harriet wasn't married when Mary A was born then Mary A's birth would be registered in the surname Hemmings.
The fact that Mary Ann was staying with the Priors as niece/granddaughter on later census suggests that James probably was the father, but I'm not sure if we can prove it if Mary Ann's birth certificate doesn't name a father.
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Morning Tati. :)
Never thought of that... ;D....
Is it likely that an illegitimate child will have a father named on the birth certificate...
AND....the marriage for James Hemmings in Woodstock 1865 3a 1156, but no spouse given on Ancestry......is this just likely to be Harriets brother?
Steve
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Indeed, the father probably wouldn't show on the birth cert ...
For the record, James Hemmings married Sophia Gibbs in Dec 1865 (and she shows on FreeBMD/ancestry ???)
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Thanks Tati...just gonna start another thread re John Prior born 1811 in Woodstock....just in case you need another case to solve;)
Steve
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Think I'll leave it to someone else - I don't have access to parish records etc :)
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Sent off for a birth certificate for
Dorothy Mary Prior 1897 D Woodstock 03a 62
Got a mail back saying "We have not produced a certificate as there is no trace of the above mentioned person at the reference you quoted."
Just tried the reference again and there is no one and I can't find her birth any more on BMD!
She was born 14/11/1897 in (I assume because my mum told me) Woodstock.
Anyone help.
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Hello
I'm Richard Johnson and my great grandmother was Kate Prior born in Woodstock in 1871. I believe her father was James Prior but based on your research that I've followed I believe she was the daughter of the other James Prior (both were born in 1841) so I suspect they were cousins. I am only just starting on the journey to trace my ancestors. I live in London so have the public records office 5 minutes from where I work and I intend to visit Woodstock to do more research. If I can help fill any gaps I would be more than happy to help - by the looks of it we are distant cousins!
Best regards
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Hi Richard
ANOTHER JAMES PRIOR!
I hope I am on the right track..lol
I have Kate C Prior born in 1871, father James born 1841.
In 1891 aged 20 Kate was living in Paddington, a Housemaid, no 44 Leicester Gardens.
Are you sure they are not the same people?
Seems to be a big coincidence!
My grandmother was Dorothy Mary Prior (Hemmings) daughter of Mary Ann Prior Hemmings b1867 daughter of James and Harriet Hemmings.
She was incredibly hard to track down as my mum always thought her mums maiden name was Prior.
It turned out she found a Baptism certificate which gave her correct name as Hemmings.
My mum also believed that her mum was born in Woodstock and was surprised when I tracked her down to born in Cowley Workhouse Oxford!
Keep in touch...I no longer live in Woodstock, but visit mum frequently. If you do visit, it is a beautiful little town.
Steve
gingerslf yahoo.com
BTW..You will find NO census for Woodstock 1861...Someone lost it!
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Hi
That's definitely her. Do you mean Leinster Gardens Paddington (as there is no Leicester Gardens)? I used to live near there. This fits because my father told me that Samuel Johnson (his grandfather) and Kate met whilst she was pushing a a pram in Kensington Gardens. Samuel was in the Coldstream Guards I'm told and may have been guarding the palace.
They married in Sheffield in 1891(!) I suspect that they had to run away for the usual reasons (!) but latterly they lived in 9 Putney Park Road near Barnes which I visited with my father a couple of years ago - he had spent a lot of time as a child with them. He last saw her in 1942 before he went off to South Africa for flight training.
A story that came through is that a) the family had owned land which was taken away from them by the Marlborough's and b) Winston Churchill used to pull her pigtails in church (presumably St. Martin's at Bladon) - he was 3 years younger so one can imagine an annoying kid doing that!!
I visited Woodstock about 25 years ago when I did a conference in Blenheim Palace and stayed at The Bear but had no idea I had family connections there at that time.
Re: James Prior - there are definitely 2 born in 1841. One married Harriott Hemmings the other married either Sarah or Frances Laughton. I am going to visit the Public Records Office in the next couple of weeks to get the relevant certificates.
Check out this reference: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=1324 (do a find on Prior)
I am very keen to find out about this branch of the family and to meet any long-lost relatives and help their quest too where I can. My email address is: (*).
All the very best
Richard
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Yes it is Leinster, someone copied it incorrectly from the original transcript.
Yes there were 2 James Priors born 1841, coincidentally I 'think' one married on my mothers half sisters side, to the Laughtons as you mentioned.
You stayed in The Bear 25 years ago, well at that time it was THE place to stay, film stars, nobility, etc, anyone who was anyone stopped there.
Your email addy was removed before I had time to make note of it.
Mine is my username at yahoo.com
reagrds
Steve