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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Bedfordshire => Topic started by: australind on Wednesday 10 September 08 04:13 BST (UK)
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benben,
Whilst researching my Bennett line from Aspley Guise
(Caroline,dau.of John/Elisabeth plus her 14 siblings)
i kept notes on any Bennett information i came across.
Ref.your Thomas Bennett bp.,24 Sept1809 at L/B., son
of William/Ann.
On 14th Jan.1838 at St.Paul's Bedford ,Thomas Bennett
of full age/Batchelor/ a Brewer/living Conduit St.,/son of
William Bennett a Brewer married Sarah Parish/Spinster
living High St.,/dau.of William Parish a Farmer.
Thomas signed/Sarah made her mark.
Regards,australind.
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Welcome to Rooschat australind ;D
This is link to benben's topic:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=319122.new#new
Cheers
AMBLY
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Hi there Australind
I have just joined Rootschat and would like to find out more about the Bennetts of Aspley Guise. I am descended from John Bennett b 31 Oct 1807 to John and Elizabeth Bennett of Aspley Guise. I believe that John is the brother of your ancestor Elizabeth.
John and his wife Sarah Gibbard were married in Luton 13 Jan 1831 and had at least 5 children that I have been able to trace (via IGI). They died of typhoid around 1844 when my gggrandfather Frederick Jabez (FJB) was born. FJB emigrated to NZ in 1863 (aged 19) with a brother Thomas and a sister Ann. I can find no record of Thomas' birth and no record of what happened to him or Ann after they came to NZ. For a time, we thought Thomas was from the previous generation of Bennetts but recently uncovered a letter from FJB to his cousin Benjamin Bennett the brewer that describes Thomas as his brother (not uncle).
I am really trying to tie together all the Bennetts as there are so many Williams, Johns and Thomas's! I have only found 10 children of John and Elizabeth, not the 14 you mention.
Separately, I am trying to track Sarah Gibbard's lineage. All I know is that her father was William Gibbard of Lewsey Farm. There were also Bennetts at Lewsey Farm (a William) so am wondering whether there might be a wider connection between Bennetts and Gibbards.
Thank you - any pointers appreciated. Juben
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Hi Juben,
Welcome to Rootschat :)
It seem the 2 main researchers of this Family ( from both threads) have not been on-line on Rootschat since 2008. ( if you click on the user name on left side of page it will tell when they last posted)
Hopefully one or both of them will get an email informing them of your postings.
Cheers,
Trish
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Thank you Trish! And I meant to say that the John I refer to in my first para is the brother of Australind's ancestor Caroline. Elizabeth is another daughter of John and Elizabeth. Juben
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Hi again,
I have just started looking at this for you. Is it possible that Thomas had another name eg James Thomas Bennett?
I am only suggesting this as Frederick is reg as
Jabez Frederick Bennett but obviously was known as Frederick.
Trish
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Thank you Trish. I guess that is possible but the shipping records list him as Thomas A Bennett. The only children of John and Sarah that I have managed to identify via the IGI (and this was some years ago now) were: Ann (b 30 June 1832), Hannah Foll (19 Jan 1834), John (12 July 1835), Edward (5 July 1837) and FJB (3 April 1844). I have never managed to find death records for John and Sarah. I believe that Thomas died in Nov 1902 and Edward in Dec 1902 but I don't know where. I'm further confused by FJB referring to his grandfather as Thomas Bennett, farmer and brewer of Aspley Guise but I think he means his great-grandfather. I'm not sure if I need to subscribe to something to get further info? I do appreciate your interest.
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Do you have Census records for this family.
I have found Frederick in 1861, apprentice Shoemaker.
Thomas, age 8 and Frederick aged 6, both born Luton, are in the workhouse in 1851 Census.
1841 Census
North Place
Luton, Bedfordshire
HO107/4/19/Luton
John BENNETT, 33, Baker, Born in County, yes
Sarah, 30, NOT born in County
Ann, 9, yes
John, 5, yes
Edward, 3, yes
Benjamin, 1, yes
Benjamin BENNETT, 14, Apprentice Baker, yes
Benjamin ADAMS, 25, Shoemaker, no
Extra child Benjamin and other Benjamin must be the cousin? As 1841 relationships not shown difficult to know.
EDWARD BENNETT
In 1841 Edward is at home with parents
1851 a servant in the Flemons household, Leighton Buzzard
1861 He is married to Elizabeth, with son Frederick age 1. He is a Miller living in Marsworth, Buckinghamshire. Also in household is James PEARSON, grand-father, Miller age 75.
1871 Elizabeth is now Mary.E, same pob though, extra Child Sarah, born 1863
1881 Still in Bucks, corn miller, children still at home. No more children born.
1891 They have moved to Herefordshire and both children have left home
1901 Still in Tring, Herts
Marriage;
Edward BENNETT
Mary Elizabeth PEARSON
March 1859
Berkhampstead 3a 359
Death;
Edward BENNETT
December 1902
Berkhampstead 3a 434
Age 65
Mary Elizabeth BENNETT
September 1908
Berkhampstead 3a 361
Age 71
So at least you now know he died in Hertfordshire!
Will try and find some of the others :)
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THOMAS.A.BENNETT
1851 Thomas is in Luton Workhouse with Frederick as stated earlier.
1861 Thomas. A Bennett is a grocers assistant, born Luton Beds. He is living in the household of George Bailey Grocer/Ironmonger in Dawley, Shropshire
Its nice to think that they all got together again to emigrate to New Zealand.
Found them on the "Queen of the Mersey" arriving 27 November 1863
I havent found Ann yet in 1861 census. I hope I am not going over everything you already had.
Trish
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OK I made a big mistake with 1841 census as there are extra people listed on the actual image that are not listed on Ancestry summary page ::)
I have amended it.
Sarah Gibbard/Bennett is not born in County :)
Could this be her christening;
Sarah GIBBARDS
08 June 1812, Bloxham, Oxford, England
Parents WILLIAM and MARY
Only female siblings on batch,
Ann GIBBERDS, 19 August 1810
MaryGIBBERDS, 06 January 1807
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William GIBBARD, 04 May 1814, Bloxham, Oxford
Possible marriage;
Wm GIBBERD
Mary KNIGHT
1807, Bicester, Oxford
( oxford marriage transcripts 1538-1837)
All extracted records IGI
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From FreeBMD:
Birth Mar Qtr 1842 Luton Reg Dist Thomas Albert BENNETT
Death Mar Qtr 1848 Luton Reg Dist Sarah BENNETT
Death June Qtr 1849 Luton Reg Dist John BENNETT
In 1861 Edward and family are living in Marsworth, Buckinghamshire. There is no such place as Rochester in Buckinghamshire - it is in Kent.
Also have concerns re baptism of Sarah GIBBARD in Oxfordshire. This is some distance from Bedfordshire and there were GIBBARD families in Buckinghamshire and Hertfordshire which are closer. Do you have proof that Sarah's father was William?
Orpheus
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Hi Orpheus :),
Thank you so much for your help. I appreciate it. Hopefully Juben will be able to answer yor question. Not sure how I mucked up the Census entry. I will look at it again when I get home from work :-[
Cheers,
Trish
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That is just brilliant!! I can't thank you and Orpheus enough for your help on this - this is definitely a breakthrough as so many things add up, including the fact that a Joseph Flemons married Elizabeth Bennett of Aspley Guise (FJB's aunt) so they obviously took Edward in as a servant to help out with the grim situation the family found itself in after the deaths of their parents. I had vaguely heard that FJB had been in a workhouse but it was not confirmed. I have only ever had loose bits of 1851 Census info before but it does match with what you have given. The 1841 Census joins the dots and I agree with your assessment re the Benjamins. B Adams was possibly a boarder and maybe FJB's eventual teacher?
I think too that FJB must have confused some of the facts owing to his traumatic childhood - he obviously thought his parents died earlier than they did because he can't remember them. I think the next thing for me will be to get hold of the death certificates for John and Sarah to confirm their parentage - 1848 seems to be the only year that there is a match. It is only FJB's letter that mentions Sarah's father as being William Gibbard - this could be wrong given the variations on some of his other 'facts'.
Thank goodness they did emigrate! FJB married well in NZ, became a draper and had 16 children! We think Thomas 'went bush' but now I have an approx death date for him (via the letter I mentioned) will check the NZ BDM records to see if he shows up (we only found the letter a week or so ago when going through old family papers so it's very exciting).
Thank you so much for your help - it is much appreciated. :)
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I think the next thing for me will be to get hold of the death certificates for John and Sarah to confirm their parentage - 1848 seems to be the only year that there is a match.
English death certificates don't include details of parents
A good guide to what can be found on Englsih certificates can be found at http://home.clara.net/dixons/Certificates/indexbd.htm
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FREDERICK BENNETT
1861 Census
47 Chapel Street,
Christchurch, Bedfordshire
RG9/1013/116A/27
William UNDERWOOD, 34, mar, Boot and Shoemaker, born Beds, Luton
Sarah, 34, wife, mar, born Beds, Bedford
Annie.S., daughter, 4mths, born Beds, Luton
Sarah BRIMLEY, 19, unm, journeyman, Shoe Binder, Beds,Chaphaan
Fanny Brimley, 17, servant, unm, house servant, Beds, Bedford
FREDERICK.J.BENNETT, 19,Apprentice, unm, Apprentice, born LUTON, Bedfordshire
Richard HUCK, 15, unm, on trial apprentice, Beds, Hockliffe
Trish :)
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Birth;
Benjamin BENNETT
December 1839, Luton, 6 98
Death;
Benjamin Bennett
June 1849, Luton, 6 71
Trish
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Juben,
Have just read your message.Pleased to connect with another researching
Bennett from Aspley Guise.
Research so far indicates John/Elisabeth Bennett had 15children 12married of which all had issue.
A John Bennett died 31March 1846 at Aspley Guise/38yrs/a Baker/from Water on the Chest/
Information given by Rebecca Tompkins,present at death. Death registered 6thApril 1846
John Bennett Buried 4th April at A/G "of A/G""
I have Bapt copies for 4 of the children of John/Sarah Bennett(Ann,Sarah Hannah Foll,John,
Edward) and on each of them Sarah Bennett is stated to be daughter of Edward and Hannah
Gibbard.
There is a Marriage for a John Bennett/23yrs/Batchelor/a Baker/living Luton/son of John Bennett a Baker to MaryDavis/24yrs/Spinster/livindgLuton/daughterofwilliam Davis.Farmer/ on 26thApril 1859 at Parish Church Luton
Regards ,Australind
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This must be the marriage of Sarah GIBBARD's parents:
5 Apr 1804 at Greatworth, Northamptonshire - Edward GIBBARD and Hannah FOLLS
Orpheus
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At least we now know thanks to Orpheus where the Foll in Hannah Foll BENNETT, born 1834 came from :)
I am just posting this as I have been unable to find a death for Hannah between 1834-1841. She does not appear on 1841 census with her parents.
Someone else might have more luck.
Did John and Eliza have a child WILLIAM abt 1806?
1841 Census
Luton, Bedfordshire
HO107/4/24/Luton
William BENNETT, 35
William, 10
Martha, 35
John, 10
Hannah, 8
Fanny, 6
ELIZA, 61
Emma, 2
Samuel, 2mths
Image is impossible to read so have just typed what is transcribed ::)
Could this be Eliza, born c 1780, Mother of John?
Trish
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Closest match to Thomas.A. Bennett I can find dying in New Zealand is;
Thomas Albert Bennett
Age 61
1902/6271
NZ death certs contain a lot of info at this time so would be worth purchasing. It should have wife if he married and ages of children still living etc. This obviously depends on who registered the death.
Maybe a separate look-up on NZ Board would help as they are extremely heplfull and have access to Burial/Voter reg records/BMD info etc. I havent.
Cheers,
Trish
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As you said Thomas had possibly gone "bush"
1881 Electrol Roll
Auckland Area
Name,Thomas BENNETT
Property Type, Residential
Electorate, Coromandel
Residence, Tairua
Occupation, Bushman
+ 1 at Thames, Miner
+ 1 at Onehunga, Carpenter
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This is all fabulous and I am beginning to join dots big time. The John death makes sense as the 1849 death record is at odds with anecdotes of him dying before Sarah. Thank you Australind. I have also obtained a copy of Thomas' death cert and discovered that he married Annie Cheshire in London at the age of 21 before setting sail for NZ so the Ann Bennett on the Queen of the Mersey was probably his wife, not his sister meaning that their sister Ann probably died in England. Are you able to find out if they came to NZ by assisted passage?
I have also found their burial records at Waikumete in Auckland. Thomas is described as a 'storekeeper' on his death cert so in keeping with being a grocers assistant in 1861. Thos and Annie had 5 children so yes, I will connect with the NZ branch to see what I can learn about their life in between.
Thank you too for the info re Sarah's parents - this has long been a mystery and FJB obviously was confused on this matter.
Best regards, Juben
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Excellent Juben :)
Its all coming together.
Best of luck with connectng with descendants.
Trish
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Juben,
You previously wrote that you had a letter that F.J.B.wrote TO his cousin
Benjamin Bennett.Can you pass on date letter was written and any other names
mentioned.Was the letter never sent or did F.J.B. keep a copy?
Please feel free to contact me privately ,if you wish,to exchange information.
Regards,
Australind.
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Re the William Bennett you mention, I think this may be another line. John and Eliza did have a child William but he was born in 1812 and Eliza was born in 1774 so would be around 67 at the time of the 1841 census (unless it's a transcription error - 61/67?). I may be wrong though as I have still a bit of work to do on the various William Bennetts!
Cheers, Juben
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Just checked my CDrom set for the 1841 entry as set out by Trish in reply #15. The image is perfectly clear unlike the appalling illegible Ancestry scan.
Sure enough, Juben, you're right that it was a transcription error. Except that Eliza was aged 4, not 61 or 67. It seemed odd that Eliza was out of chronological order in the list of females.
David
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Juben,
Your letter received.Will check my file and reply privately.
Regards,
Australind.
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Just a few lines to say hello from a Bennett in Australia. I'm a descendant of Ernest Hauswell, b. 1972, son of Frederick Jabez b. 1844. Ernest came to Australia some time between 1906 and 1911 with his wife and family, but I haven't yet been able to pin that date down. I've been working on this family line with varying amounts of success and frustration for quite a while. Since I've been lurking and reading your posts on the Bennetts of Aspley Guise with great interest, I thought I should say hello.
Cheers,
OzJen :)
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FREDERICK BENNETT
1861 Census
47 Chapel Street,
Christchurch, Bedfordshire
RG9/1013/116A/27
William UNDERWOOD, 34, mar, Boot and Shoemaker, born Beds, Luton
Sarah, 34, wife, mar, born Beds, Bedford
Annie.S., daughter, 4mths, born Beds, Luton
Sarah BRIMLEY, 19, unm, journeyman, Shoe Binder, Beds,Chaphaan
Fanny Brimley, 17, servant, unm, house servant, Beds, Bedford
FREDERICK.J.BENNETT, 19,Apprentice, unm, Apprentice, born LUTON, Bedfordshire
Richard HUCK, 15, unm, on trial apprentice, Beds, Hockliffe
Hi Juben
Welcome to Rootschat :D
I see your Frederick was apprenticed to the brother of my great grandmother Mary Ann Underwood.
Jan ;)
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Interesting - the discovery of that census data has meant that we know why there is a picture of a "Miss Underwood" in Frederick's family album. This album lives with a cousin of mine and it is my intention to get a copy of that photo later this month. I am guessing that it may be the daughter Annie listed here as a baby. Will happily post a copy if I am able to get it. There is no date on the photo if I recall but I may be wrong.
Cheers, Juben :)
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OzJen,
Pleased to connect up with another Bennett from Aspley Guise researcher.
How far back has your research taken you or have you concentrated
mainly on the N/Z and Australian lines.
Will exchange information.
Regards,
Australind.
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It is absolutely fantastic to see everyone/everything linking up :) ;D
Trish
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Hi Juben
I would be interested in seeing the photo of Miss Underwood if you are able to post it at some point.
Thanks
Jan ;)
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Hi Australind,
Happy to collaborate. I'm sure you know more than I do. I've gone back on the Bennett line to John Bennett and Elizabeth Williams and several of their possible children. Also trying to explore a few side branches (spouse family lines, e.g. Gibbard) as well.
Currently working on the Australian branches of the family and on finding out about the NZ branches. My particular "bough" of the family tree has been very disconnected and so it's been a real discovery journey finding all the new people!
Cheers,
OzJen
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Ozjen,
Will reply privately.Give me a day or two.
Regards,
Australind
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Hi All,
Orpheus noted the marriage below:
This must be the marriage of Sarah GIBBARD's parents:
5 Apr 1804 at Greatworth, Northamptonshire - Edward GIBBARD and Hannah FOLLS
I've found a Hannah Gibbard in Newton Purcell, Oxfordshire who could fit - b. 1780, d.1849, with a son, John. There's an Edward Gibbard who died in Oxfordshire in 1837. Perhaps Oxfordshire IS a possibility?
Can't find a birth/baptism for either Sarah or any siblings - did she have had a brother named John? Any ideas, anyone?
Another thought - probably a bit 'off-beat'; could this branch of the family have been Quakers? There is a story in our branch of the family about being pacifists ...
Cheers,
OzJen
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HI All.
Ozjen there are 2 Gibbard's baptisms in Greatworth.
From the Northants Bap Indexes.
Greatworth C of E
20 Jan 1805
Thomas GIBBARD s Edward & Hannah
Greatworth C of E
25 May 1806
Sarah GIBBARD d Edward & Hannah
Sandy
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Thanks, Sandy.
It just takes another set of eyes. Much appreciated.
OzJen
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Hi Australind, hope you're still following this interesting thread which you started, as you haven't been on Rootschat for a few weeks. You mentioned that Caroline had 14 siblings ie 15 in all. Do you think you could list them with their baptism dates as I can only find twelve on the IGI, plus a possible one or two others from the 1841 census (Lydia) and a Martha
Many thanks
David
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Ozjen
Have recently read your postings on your other Bennett thread.
I cannot find,so far,any link between Somerset/Bedfordshire Bennett families.
Research indicates our Bennett line is from John Bennett son of Thomas/Sarah
Bapt.23June 1771 at Aspley Guise ,who married Elisabeth Phillips 30 March 1792
at Salford Bedfordshire.
Their first child Sarah was Bapt.24March 1793 at Salford and was buried 6Nov.1801 at Aspley Guise.
The next 12children were Bapt.at A/G and the last two,Lydia and Martha ,were Bapt.at Newport
Pagnell Weyslian Bucks..
There may be more children of course and i just havent located them.
Regards,
Australind
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This is for Janan - as promised, here is the picture of Miss Underwood. I don't have a date for it but imagine it was taken not long after FJ Bennett emigrated to NZ in 1863. of course, this is just speculation and it may have been taken later. (Gosh - didn't realise it would look so big once posted!)
Cheers, Juben
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Hi Juben
Thanks for posting little Miss Underwood, whoever she may be :D Would you mind if I posted a link to this thread on the Photographic board so the amazing people there might be able to date it?
Jan ;)
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No problem at all. Cheers, Juben :)
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Thanks Juben,
I've done that and the answers confirm the lovely picture is most likely of Annie as you thought
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,417242.new.html#new
Jan ;)
If you are able to get a better scan at 300dpi and post the photo on the Photograph restoration and dating board some kind and clever souls will clean it up for you.
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Thanks for that Janan - what a great service! Unfortunately I am not in possession of the original - it resides with cousins who don't have access to digital media - of any description. This copy was taken with a digital camera on a recent visit. I'm not sure when I will next have an opportunity to get a better shot. However, now that I know this marvellous service exists, I may try it with another photo I am trying to date. Best regards, Juben. :)
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Unfortunately I am not in possession of the original - it resides with cousins who don't have access to digital media - of any description.
That's a shame. Still it is a lovely picture. Thanks again for posting it. I don't have any photos of Mary Ann (my grandad's mum) but have collected quite a few of her relations :D
Cheers
Jan ;)
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Hi Juben
Cazza and Carolyn have done amazing things with Annie :D
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=417923.new#new
Jan ;)
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WOW! That IS impressive
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WOW! That IS impressive
Isn't it! They are incredibly clever people over on the restoration board
Jan ;)
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Hi Juben,
I've been interested in what you wrote below about the letter from FJB to his cousin Benjamin Bennett the brewer. In the 1841 census there is a Benjamin Bennett living with your FJB's family. I think this Benjamin was my gt gt grandfather, born in 1827 to Amelia (or Emily) Bennett at Dunstable. Amelia herself was born at Aspley Guise around 1798 and I presume she would have been John's sister, and FJB's cousin. I know anyway that at some stage Benjamin left Bedfordshire and went off to live his life as a baker in London's East End. He died at Mile End in Dec 1902
Benjamin Bennett, the Dunstable hat maker and brewer was also born in Aspley Guise, in 1809. And didn't he have a son called Benjamin too? So perhaps the answer is that your gt gt grandfather had two Benjamin Bennett cousins!
Sorry these remarks come rather late, but hope you are still interested. For my part, I'd be fascinated to see a compete list of John's siblings, on which I hope Amelia is already to be found.
Hi there Australind
I have just joined Rootschat and would like to find out more about the Bennetts of Aspley Guise. I am descended from John Bennett b 31 Oct 1807 to John and Elizabeth Bennett of Aspley Guise. I believe that John is the brother of your ancestor Elizabeth.
John and his wife Sarah Gibbard were married in Luton 13 Jan 1831 and had at least 5 children that I have been able to trace (via IGI). They died of typhoid around 1844 when my gggrandfather Frederick Jabez (FJB) was born. FJB emigrated to NZ in 1863 (aged 19) with a brother Thomas and a sister Ann. I can find no record of Thomas' birth and no record of what happened to him or Ann after they came to NZ. For a time, we thought Thomas was from the previous generation of Bennetts but recently uncovered a letter from FJB to his cousin Benjamin Bennett the brewer that describes Thomas as his brother (not uncle).
I am really trying to tie together all the Bennetts as there are so many Williams, Johns and Thomas's! I have only found 10 children of John and Elizabeth, not the 14 you mention.
Separately, I am trying to track Sarah Gibbard's lineage. All I know is that her father was William Gibbard of Lewsey Farm. There were also Bennetts at Lewsey Farm (a William) so am wondering whether there might be a wider connection between Bennetts and Gibbards.
Thank you - any pointers appreciated. Juben
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Hi Tom,
Just seen your email regarding Benjamin Bennett. I, too, like Juben, am descended from Frederick Jabez Bennett (FJB), who was my g-g-grandfather. I have several Benjamin Bennetts in the family tree so far, but not one born in 1827 to Amelia/Emily Bennett. This is very interesting. There was a Benjamin Bennett living with FJB's family who was born in 1839 and died in 1849. He was a brother of FJB. I have 3 sons for Amelia, but none named Benjamin. I'd love to hear more about this to see if we can find a link. :-\
The Benjamin Bennett FJB was writing to was his paternal uncle, not a cousin, but Benjamin is certainly a family name ...
Regards,
OzJen
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Thanks OzJen,
Here are some abbreviated notes I made earlier about Amelia's life after the birth of Benjamin, so please let me know how this fits in with your information.
On 17th November 1831, she married George HERBERT at Dunstable.
In 1841, at Church Street, Dunstable were
George Herbert 40 Ag Lab
Amelia Herbert 40
William Herbert 9
Henry Herbert 10m
Elizabeth Allen 20
Elizabeth Pickering 15
Sarah Allen 15
1851 does not cast much more light. William still lives at home, but Henry is no longer in sight.
Sarah Allen abt 1832 Middleton Stony, Oxfordshire, Lodger Dunstable Bedfordshire
Ann Awood abt 1833 Handon, Suffolk, Lodger Dunstable Bedfordshire
Sarah Awood abt 1830 Handon, Suffolk, Lodger Dunstable Bedfordshire
Kegle Bennet abt 1850 Old St Lukes, London, Grandson Dunstable Bedfordshire
Mary A Fox abt 1834 Dunstable, Bedfordshire, Lodger Dunstable Bedfordshire
Amelia Herbert abt 1798 Aspley Guise, Bedfordshire, Wife Dunstable Bedfordshire
George Herbert abt 1800 Dunstable, Bedfordshire, Head Dunstable Bedfordshire
William Herbert abt 1832 Dunstable, Bedfordshire, Son Dunstable Bedfordshire
I have not studied further than this, so assuming these William and Henry Herberts are two of the sons you have, then who is the third?
By the way, the Kegle Bennet mentioned above is the son of Benjamin by his first wife, Elizabeth Susannah Kegele, who died during childbirth or shortly after.
Regards
Tom
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Hi Tom,
I'm also replying off-list so we can sort this out between us. Certainly, we are related through Amelia's parents, so I'm pleased to have found you! The RootsChatter Juben will also be related, as well as Australind, who is related through one of Amelia's sisters.
I have 2 children for Amelia born before her marriage to George. They are:
Eliza Ann Seathans BENNETT, b April 1821, d. May 1821
Benjamin Nicols BENNETT (BNB) - (who I've just worked out must be the Benjamin you are referring to?) baker, b. Oct 1827, m. Elizabeth Susannah KEGELE in 1850.
Then I have
William BENNETT, b. abt 1832, f. George, m. Amelia
George BENNETT, b. 1833 d. 1841, f. George, m. Amelia
Henry Bennett, b. 1841 d. 1846, f. George, m. Amelia
Regards,
OzJen
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Greetings Tom Tramp - great to find another long lost cousin! Just to correct and add to a couple of things OzJen mentioned, the letter from FJB was to his cousin Benjamin Bennett, brewer and mayor of Dunstable (BB2), son of the original Benjamin Bennett brewer, his uncle (BB1). BB1 was the brother of your ancestor Amelia (Emily). Emily is therefore FJB's aunt rather than cousin.
You are also correct in that your gt gt grandfather Benjamin was living with FJBs family at the time of the 1841 census, as follows: Edward (3) living in North Place, Luton, Beds with parents plus sister Ann (9), brothers John (5), Edward (3) and Benjamin (1 whom OzJen rightly refers to as having died in the workhouse in 1849) plus cousin Benjamin (14), apprentice baker and Benjamin Adams (25) shoemaker, presumably a boarder. So, yes, FJB (b 1844) had two Benjamin cousins!
I will post the list of Amelia and Johns siblings separately which I got from Australind last year. Very happy to continue chatting offline with you and Ozjen so we can piece together more of the jigsaw.
Chat again soon. Regards, Juben
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Here is a list of Amelia and John's siblings, as far as we know it, and as provided to me offline by Australind last year:
Issue of John/Elisabeth Bennett of Aspley Guise:
Sarah 1793 Salford died 6Nov 1801 A/G
Mary 1794 A/G Md. Joseph Bartram 1821 A/G
Elisabeth 1796 Joseph Flemons 1817
Emily 1798 George Herbert 1831 Dunstable
Thomas Herbert 1799 Elisabeth Daniels 1820 A/G
John 1801 A/G died 5 April 1802
Sarah 1801 Richard Impey 1838 Dunstable (his second Mge)
Sussannah 1804 John White 1831
Barabara 1806 Thomas Higgins 1833 A/G went to Staffordshire
John 1807 Sarah Gibbard 1831 Luton
Benjamin 1809 Sarah Watts 1835 Dunstable (Widownee Sharman)
Caroline 1811 Joseph Oakley 1841 Tipton
William 1812 died 9Oct. 1825 A/G
Lydia 1814 Bapt Weyslian N.P.Bucks. Md. 1. Joseph Hopkins 1842 A/G
2. Edward Read 1849
Martha 1818 as above Henry Summerford 1838 A/G
Cheers, Juben
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Hello Tom Tramp,
Lovely to find another Bennett cousin.
George Kegle Bennett of Church St. Dunstable was buried 22Sept.1851 aged 7months.
Could you please post a few details about the second Marriage of your Benjamin Bennett
and their issue.
Regards
Australind
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This is fascinating. Thanks very much OzJen, Juben and Australind for the new insights.
I do not know anything of Susannah Kegele's background, but would be interested in anything that comes up. As for Benjamin's second marriage, I don't think we have a date for it, but according to the birth certificate of Eliza Bennett (my gt grandmother), her mother's name was Sarah SMITH. Sarah and Benjamin had the following children that I know of, Amelia (1854), Eliza Martha(1858), Richard (1860) and Sarah (1862).
I will reply in more detail after thinking about your recent messages, but probably will have more questions that answers. Hope that is OK with you. :)
Regards
Tom
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Hi Tom,
Thanks for this information, I think I have some of the matching details here, however I was not sure I had it correct so didn't send it before. They're just details I've found searching through the IGI etc and so I wasn't sure if I hadn't taken a wrong turn (as I have done once before) or whether I had it right. Happily, it seems I've been on the right track after all. :)
I have Sarah SMITH marrying Benjamin Nicols BENNETT on 7/5/1854 at St Dunstan and All Saints, Middlesex. I have 4 children's names which all, fortunately, seem to tie in with yours - Sarah Amelia, bap. 12/2/1854, Eliza Martha (who must have been your g-grandmother) bap. 27/4/1859, Richard George bap. 9/8/1861 and Sarah bap. 1864. The first 2 were baptised in Poplar, MDSX, the last 2 in Limehouse, MDSX.
Can you tell me how the line has progressed further from any of these people? I'd be interested to know about Eliza Martha's descendants at least. You may want to send those details off-list, depending on dates, etc.
Looking forward to learning more, as I'm sure the others are too.
Cheers,
OzJen
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Hi everybody,
I also have a Bennett in the tree.
Mary Ann Bennett b 1805 Harpenden, Hertfordshire
father Henry Bennett mother Sarah ?
Mary ann married William Webb 30 Oct 1827 in Luton
she died 1875 in Luton.
Hope this information helps someone.
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For OzJen specifically please
I wonder if can you help me with details for Thomas CARR and Mary MULFAHY. Thomas as you know was a Parkhurst Boy and I am researching for a PhD on Parkhurst Prison 1838-1864 and the 2,000 odd "Parkhurst Boys" transported to Australia/NZ.
Any information about their marriage, children and move to Sydney where she died would be tremendous.
Thank you
Tony Cocks
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Hi Tony,
Will respond privately.
Regards,
OzJen