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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Fife => Topic started by: tommacgregor on Tuesday 09 September 08 07:35 BST (UK)
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Hi,
Can anyone living in the eastern part of Fife give me information on the drowning of a seaman on the "Mary". The drowning occurred just off the Bass Rock in the Firth of Forth on the 27th February, 1849.
Best wishes,
Tom.
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Tom, You write:
Hi,
Can anyone living in the eastern part of Fife give me information on the drowning of a seaman on the "Mary". The drowning occurred just off the Bass Rock in the Firth of Forth on the 27th February, 1849.
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You seem to know the date, place and ship?
What further information are you seeking?
Do you have the name of the seaman? That would surely help ...
JAP
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I wrote "Can anyone living in the eastern part of Fife give me information ........" Since the State of Victoria in Australia is a long way from Fife, and it has been admitted that you know little about this part of Scotland, why your interest?
Tom.
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Tom,
This is a public genealogical forum/message board. As has been explained to you many many times over many many months.
As has been explained over and over, it should never be for you to decide who shall be allowed to post on any thread which you have started, or have posted on - or for you to decide where respondents on such threads may come from or ...
Any RootsChatter at all - totally regardless of where they live - should be free to post on any thread on a public genealogical forum/message board such as RootsChat.
I hope that the Moderators and Administrators of RC agree with this.
All members of RootsChat should be free to comment and post on any thread whatsoever.
If that's not the case then RootsChat has a real problem.
My interest is that I believe that I can help people such as yourself or others who post on RC. Where I live is irrelevant. What I know and what I have to offer in knowledge and logical analysis and questions are what is important.
The questions I posed above are important and I trust that you will answer them.
Regards,
JAP
PS: Unlike you (it seems), I do NOT live in the State of Victoria in Australia :)
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Excuse me for butting in here......
Tom,
Do you think that any extra information can only be provided by someone living in Fife? What if someone related to the poor unfortunate seaman reads this and can give you extra information, but lives in New Zealand - should that be discounted? Please realise that genuine information can sometimes come from the most unexpected source.
The incident which you write about occurred on a ship with a common female name. If anyone were searching the newspaper reports of the time, they might have great difficulty in refining the search parameters to get to the useful information. Do you know the man's name? If so, it would be really helpful if you shared it with people. Have you already got a newspaper report or something?
This is trying to help here.
Nell
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Tom
to help you we need to establish a few things first
the mans name would be a great help, to enable us to search for him
if you contact the Local RO to the area or look on the Gale site (online) at the british newspapers section these might yeid extra information for you
but without a name it looks as if you have found the details most of us would be able to provide. i.e. shhips name date and place.
JAP is right this is a public forum and if you post on here any member of the public may reply, they do it to help you not to hinder you and seeing as the even took place in 1849 DPA don't apply.
if you you liked you could have locked this topic then no-one could have replied to you
good luck with your search
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Hello Toni
You are very kind to attempt to help. I have tried in the past as well, but it always appears that Tom knows the answer to his questions. I find this very confusing.
Whenever I mention my confusion, my posts get deleted. I find that confusing too - because I don't delete them
Trish
PS I would suggest LLoyds of London may be a good place to look. They seem to have lists of most ship wrecks since whenever - but maybe that is where the original information came from. ???
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Hi Trish
luckily we can choose who to help
:)
if Tom already knows the answers i don't see the point of his posts :-\
Perhaps the ship wasn't wrecked
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Hi Toni
This is a tombstone I photographed of one of my family members who drowned at sea. Perhaps Tom has a picture of the grave of his person that he would like to share. Maybe the date and ship name came from an MI
Trish
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HI Trish
thats agood photo albeit sad
but i just wanted to comment isn't it strange how nobody ever dies your relatvies were lost at sea
but a lot of people fall to sleep or were taken from us. :-\
and Yes if Tom posts all the info. he has we will be able to help him better and save duplicating what he has already got, ::)
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:o :o :o I don't think I can believe what I am reading
I wrote "Can anyone living in the eastern part of Fife give me information ........" Since the State of Victoria in Australia is a long way from Fife,
Are you seriously suggesting that
a) you can choose who gives you information
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b) the fact that someone lives a long way from Fife disqualifies them from helping you?
If the latter is the case, why do you bother to put up the post on a worldwide forum?
you know little about this part of Scotland, why your interest?
Sadly I know little about this part of Scotland. Going by your criteria it seems this disqualifies me from being interested in it, which is silly to say the least.
Jennifer
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Point of information:
The Bass Rock is part of East Lothian:
Click for Map (http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=360500&y=687500&z=3&sv=bass+rock&st=3&tl=Bass+Rock,+East+Lothian+&searchp=newsearch.srf&mapp=newmap.srf)
Gadget
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I would have offered to help but unfortunately I live in Central/West Fife :(
Good luck
George
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Despite also being excluded from participating in this thread :), I decided to post the following as it helps demonstrate the point the other contributors have been trying to make - you don't have to be in an area to help!
From Caledonian Mercury 8 March 1849
Loss of a Fishing Boat and Seven Lives - On Tuesday night week, the fishing boat Mary of Pittenweem, with a crew of seven men, went to sea in prosecution of their perilous employment, with sanguine expectations that the night's toil would reward them with what would bring comfort to themselves and families ; but alas ! the poor fellows were destined never to return. The wind blew fierce all night, and towards morning increased to a hurricane; the boats were unable to keep the fishing-ground ; they were dispersed, and all strove to reach home in the best manner they could - one of them was driven so far west as Kirkaldy before it could gain a port; but all of them were spared to reach their homes again with the exception of five unfortunate crew of the Mary of Pittenweem. Skipper John Duncan, was the last man who saw and spoke to them. They were then somewhere near the Bass Rock, about three o'clock a.m. with the wind blowing a hurricane. Before the two boats parted company, poor Spence gave a parting advice to Duncan not to attempt any of the ports in the vicinity. The Mary shortly after disappeared. No one saw her go down, nor is there a single soul left to tell how the misfortune occurred. Oars were seen floating in the Forth, which are conjectured to belong to the ill-fated boat. The whole crew were married men, and most of them have left families to deplore their loss.- Pittenweem Register.
Regards
Helen
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Hi ,
Can I help as I,m in wet & windy Fife ?
Tom try the Scottish Fisheries Musem in Anstruther.Google them they have a contact e-mail . Kirsty.
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Hi,
My, my. What a fuss! Let me release you from your rather heated discussion. Over recent months I have seen perfectly good Threads on RootsChat being disrupted by various people who, quite clearly, have not wished to add any useful information to the subject matter, but simply make rude and unhelpful comments about the original "poster". One such individual made that perfectly clear when she returned to the Fife Board after a self-imposed exile.
Let me make it clear that I wished to share with other researchers much of the information that members of my family and I had taken the trouble to accumulate. Bear in mind that members of my family took the trouble to drop into the Archives Department situated at Markinch in Fife and speak with people there. Others simply dropped into the Records Office at Edinburgh where they could spend a few hours each day searching the available records there. Now, why on earth would I want to search ScotlandsPeople when I simply had to pick up the phone or send a quick private e-mail to a member of my family?
Many people have become disenchanted with RootsChat because of the way that information is blocked or moved, and so prefer to communicate by the good, old-fashioned method of private e-mail with attachments. The great pity about that is that other people are unable to benefit from the information being transmitted.
Currently, my home office files contain a great deal of information about specific individuals and various families, including Birth, Marriage and Death Certificates. If I had been allowed to post that information without the interference of those people already mentioned, then a lot of people on RootsChat would have benefited from it.
I have been rather amused at some of the comments made on RootsChat, and have simply sat back and allowed some of those rather rude people to make themselves look rather foolish with their rather dismal attempts to cover up their obvious lack of first-hand knowledge of Fife and its people.
I am only disappointed that a few of you have been caught up in this rather disruptive scenario, but something had to be done, and as your postings are showing, you are just as tired as I am with it. There is no way that I will sit idly by and be dictated to by anyone, especially when that person is so clearly out to be merely disruptive. If people genuinely wish to receive perfectly good information on RootsChat, then, believe me, it can be provided, but without the intolerable rudeness being displayed by some.
Oh, incidentally, the individual who was drowned on the "Mary" off Bass Rock situated in the Firth of Forth, was John HEUGH. If my postings had not been blocked or moved, I would have been able to give you details about John who married Christian KEAY on 9th February, 1846 at Kilrenny. Their daughter, Janet Brown Heugh was born on 31st March, 1846 at Pittenweem and their son, Robert was born on 28th November, 1848 at Pittenweem. Now we can see why no more children were born. The name that I required was supplied by a person living quite close to Pittenweem.
I would thank those who genuinely sought to assist - that is greatly appreciated. To those of you who wish to continue with your disruptive tactics, I'm sure that you can find better things to do with your time.
Best wishes,
Tom.
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Hi again,
It would appear that JAP unintentionally said it all:
"All members of RootsChat should be free to comment and post on any thread whatsoever".
I'm sure that we would all agree with that, but the problem is, we are not free to comment and post on a Thread without such Thread being disrupted by unacceptable behaviour. Need I say any more?
Best wishes,
Tom.
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Hello Tom
I'm a little confused about someone asking you to check SP. As the accident happened pre 1855 then SP wont give you the information you require. I cant see on the thread where anyone suggested using SP unless it has been deleted like some other posts on the Fife board.
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No doubt I will be told that I am being rude and disruptive (everyone else has), but hey ho, what's new when you're a moderator. ::) (And by the way this thread is complete! no deletions anywhere)
Tom,
I fear you go too far. Are you saying you do not want the information when it is offered? If you are going to be grumpy, then you are likely to get very little in the way of constructive help at all. How was anyone to know that you would be contacted privately.
May I ask what bearing the information about the man's marriage date would have on a request for details about the sinking of a fishing boat in the Firth of Forth?
If you wish to publish your family history, why don't you set up your own website and put it all there? Then no-one can "disrupt" it at all. You would have full control of it.
However, I fear that your remarks about apparent non-Fifers are likely to set them against you. I know they are a fiercely independent lot, but there's no need to be giving others a false impression of them.
If you can get all this information by making contact with someone back in Fife, where is the point in asking all these questions? It is so frustrating to go looking for the answers, only to discover that you already know the answer?
Please consider any words you might use for a reply carefully.
Best wishes
Nell
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Wow! I came on to this thread because the title "Drowned at Sea" caught my eye. Was hoping that posters might have given the author of this thread, suggestions of where to look which might have been beneficial to me .... whether it helped in my research or not, or pointed me in the right direction to look elsewhere.
I too have a few drownings in my ancestral tree, since my mother came from Banffshire and a fishing background. It would have been nice to have some account of writeups of missing boats/drownings to add to my tree. I have the Buckie site but it would help to look further for information.
I feel deflated after this :(
Cheers
KHP :(
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Me too KHP..... :( Thought I'd find out how to research a death a sea but not....... :-\
mab
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Tom MacGregor speaks of me in this fashion - One such individual made that perfectly clear when she returned to the Fife Board after a self-imposed exile. Did it not occur to him that he was the reason for my self imposed exile. I was dismayed that new and old rootschatters were spending time & money to assist someone who wanted no assistance. I thought if he was ignored, he would stop publishing his family names - but no - if no-one responded to his posts Tom Macgregor replied to himself - in one instance 25 posts without another RootsChatter showing any interest. Eventually I decided the 25% of my roots embedded in Fife deserved better than to be buried under a tonne of coloured names from the IGI.
In the name of all that is good about RootsChat and noting that the moderators have decided to let this thread stay, I will try, yet again, to explain to Tom MacGregor (and I will hope that he will read the explanation), what is a genealogy message board on the internet, and how it differs from a blog. This may help him realise why threads started by him tend to become distrupted, when other threads on the Fife board, and on all the other Scottish boards, sail along very happily.
Folks use genealogy message boards to help each other with their research. They do this because they enjoy it, because many of us have roots scattered around the world & may have no access to needed information. We don't usually expect to find living relatives on a message board, but on rare occasions this happens. We do often find folks who live near or know about our areas of interest. We also find many experienced internet researchers who can point us into directions where what we want may be found.
What we don't find on message boards are folks publishing their family history, so they can tell other researchers the names of every person they have found in their years of research. This is what people publish on their own internet site, or on a Blog. Both of these types of internet sites, allow one to talk about whatever you want, without any interference from anyone.
If an initial query on a time, place or name receives no response, you accept that for the moment, no-one knows. If you receive a short response telling you where to look - you say thanks - and move on. If perchance a number of people join in the discussion, all adding detail you could never have found yourself - that is the true joy of a message board. What you don't do, is ignore some replies, disparage some replies, and then tell the other folks, who looked in many places to help - oh by the way, my neighbours in Fife shared this with me years ago!
When Tom Macgregor started publishing his family history in a colourful and detailed manner, most rootschatters with an interest in Scotland thought he was looking for assistance & spent time and money providing him with information. It was revealed, however, that Tom already had 99.9% of the information required and was either confused about the aims of RootsChat or simply wanted a place to tell the world about his research. I initially gave him the benefit of the doubt - but as he has continued to overpower the Fife board with names and questions to which he knew the answer - I came to believe the only thing he wanted to do was preach. This meant he flooded the fife board with information of no interest or use to other researchers & those who were seriously looking for help in Fife had their messages lost within his sea of posts.
Sadly this current thread has confirmed my thoughts. Those who made suggestions as to where/how to look for the information requested were disparaged, and the very kind researcher who provided the detail From Caledonian Mercury 8 March 1849 has to see the following response
Oh, incidentally, the individual who was drowned on the "Mary" off Bass Rock situated in the Firth of Forth, was John HEUGH.
So yet again, a question was asked, Rootschatters searched for answers, provided replies, and Mr MacGregor then announced he knew the answer.
A message board is not the place where one says
Let me make it clear that I wished to share with other researchers much of the information that members of my family and I had taken the trouble to accumulate
Other researchers do not want or need the detail of your family members - they are usually searching for their own. If you would like to share skills on HOW to research deaths at sea - fabulous, but this shouldn't include a rhetorical question (that some think is genuine) nor detail of birth marriage children etc.
In summary - the KISS definitions
Genealogy Message boards are for interaction with others and helping each other with research
Blogs and Web sites are for family history publications
Retorical questions are an insult to other posters
If Tom Macgregor wants to join in discussions on RootsChat & help others research their families - wonderful - if he wants to force his family names into every thread in which he participates, other rootschatters are likely to continue to ask WHY
Trish
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Excellant reading Trish ......
The title leapt out at me ..... thats just what I need I thought .... but alas no :(
think I will do a post on the Banffshire board asking where to look ...... thought I might have got some results on here ..... I do have the Buckie Heritage site as well. I have always had wonderful help with my postings ..... but as I said I feel very deflated.
Cheers
KHP :)
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Hi,
My thanks to all for their interest in this Thread. Since the questions have now been answered, I consider the Thread closed and will simply move on to other items of interest.
Best wishes,
Tom.
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Hi,
My thanks to all for their interest in this Thread. Since the questions have now been answered, I consider the Thread closed and will simply move on to other items of interest.
Best wishes,
Tom.
Being as there was only one question and the answer was known before the thread was started, it should be understood that the thread should never have existed.
I do hope you read my post Tom and now understand how a message board is meant to be used. A polite acknowledgment of this fact would be appreciated.
Trish
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Hi,
My thanks to all for their interest in this Thread. Since the questions have now been answered, I consider the Thread closed and will simply move on to other items of interest.
Best wishes,
Tom.
Tom,
I gave a polite response to your post at reply #2, ignoring your personal rudeness to me.
I ignored your post at reply #15 despite its appalling general rudeness.
I ignored your post at reply #16 despite its personal rudeness to me.
I cannot ignore the rudeness of this last post of yours - I regard it as a "slap in the face" to all of us.
There are many answers still awaited.
You owe all of us the courtesy of a polite response to all of the matters which have been raised.
For instance:
What further information are you seeking?
... Do you think that any extra information can only be provided by someone living in Fife? What if someone related to the poor unfortunate seaman reads this and can give you extra information, but lives in New Zealand - should that be discounted? ... Have you already got a newspaper report or something? ...
...Are you seriously suggesting that
a) you can choose who gives you information
and
b) the fact that someone lives a long way from Fife disqualifies them from helping you?
If the latter is the case, why do you bother to put up the post on a worldwide forum? ...
The following implicit question:
I'm a little confused about someone asking you to check SP. As the accident happened pre 1855 then SP wont give you the information you require. I cant see on the thread where anyone suggested using SP unless it has been deleted like some other posts on the Fife board.
... Are you saying you do not want the information when it is offered? ... May I ask what bearing the information about the man's marriage date would have on a request for details about the sinking of a fishing boat in the Firth of Forth? ...
If you wish to publish your family history, why don't you set up your own website and put it all there? Then no-one can "disrupt" it at all. You would have full control of it. ...
If you can get all this information by making contact with someone back in Fife, where is the point in asking all these questions? It is so frustrating to go looking for the answers, only to discover that you already know the answer? ...
And I am sure we would all appreciate - as trish251 proposes - an acknowledgement from you that you have finally taken on board how a genealogical forum/message board normally operates, and an undertaking from you that you will follow the normal practices and procedures of a message board in future.
Regards,
JAP
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I too have a few drownings in my ancestral tree, since my mother came from Banffshire and a fishing background. It would have been nice to have some account of writeups of missing boats/drownings to add to my tree. I have the Buckie site but it would help to look further for information.
Dear KHP
I'm not an expert on finding reports of drownings but the newspapers of the time are often a good bet. Those available on-line with particular relevance to Scotland include the Scotsman, Caledonian Mercury, Glasgow Herald, Aberdeen Journal, Dunfermline Journal. Many rootschatters, regardless of where they are based, will have access to these and I'm sure would be glad to help.
If you're asking for a look-up, please post as much detail as possible, names, dates, name of ship if known, starting point, destination, home town etc. All of these can be used as key words in a search. In this case, the detail given was not enough to find anything but, as I have followed several of these threads, I thought there was a good chance the source was the Fife FHS death CD. A search on that for "seaman" and 1849 revealed the men were from Pittenweem and that keyword picked up the reports. Incidentally, the CD also mentions that a report would be found in the Fife Journal on 8 March.
I hope this helps and you manage to find something on your family.
Regards
Helen
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Helen
Thank you so much for such an informative post. (& no doubt the kiwi will be along shortly :) ). I have been wondering about the Fife FHS death CD, it seems to contain much more information than simply who died - I shall check how to buy it from Australia. With the number of Fife Roots I have, there must be many of my folks mentioned.
Trish
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Hi Trish
It's definitely worth purchasing!
Just in case this is of use to anyone in future here are the names given for the men who died in the Mary:
Peter Spence, Thomas Heugh, John Robertson, Andrew Christie, John Heugh, George Fairgrieve
Regards
Helen
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Helen .... :D
Thank you so much for such an informative post and for taking time out of this thread for answering my post. It is very much appreciative.
I will try out all these sources.
Thank you once again.
Cheers
KHP :)
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Hello Trish,
Go to the Fife FHS site at:
http://www.fifefhs.org/
Click on the 'Publications for sale' button at the left.
Then on 'Fife Family History Society Death Index'.
There are full details of how to purchase ...
JAP
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Thanks JAP - I'm checking that out too - I have more Fife ancestors than I can keep track of...trouble is, most of them seem not to have died! ;D
Cheers
Prue
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Thanks JAP - I'm checking that out too - I have more Fife ancestors than I can keep track of...trouble is, most of them seem not to have died! ;D
Cheers
Prue
I think you have a wee problem - or are there lots of real old folks wondering around Fife ;D
Trish
Thanks JAP, I'm sure I have checked before, My husband says I have the frugality of the Scots and think a long time about parting with his money :) I will tell him the decision is now made ;D
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tom,
Fortunately for me most of what needs to be said has already been said by other posters.
Can I simply say - you don't seem to have answered my questions in post 10 which were raised by your answer in post 3. I repeat them now:
a) why do you state that you want someone from Eastern Fife to answer the question?
b) why does (apparently) living far from Fife disqualify someone from answering?
c) why does lack of knowledge about a place apparently preclude someone from having an interest in that place?
These are well-intentioned questions and I am interested in your reply.
Jennifer
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Over recent months I have seen perfectly good Threads on RootsChat being disrupted by various people who, quite clearly, have not wished to add any useful information to the subject matter, but simply make rude and unhelpful comments about the original "poster".
I have not seen any of these and i am a regular poster on the boards, in whichever area the query arises.
we all do our best to help others with research
Let me make it clear that I wished to share with other researchers much of the information that members of my family and I had taken the trouble to accumulate. Bear in mind that members of my family took the trouble to drop into the Archives Department situated at Markinch in Fife and speak with people there. Others simply dropped into the Records Office at Edinburgh where they could spend a few hours each day searching the available records there. Now, why on earth would I want to search ScotlandsPeople when I simply had to pick up the phone or send a quick private e-mail to a member of my family?
I do not see the point of your request if you have wide access to all the records available.
If you would like to share your family history with other people then i suggest you write a book about same.
this site is not really the place to do such, this site is like a chatroom forum dedicated to geneaology yes we do stray away from the subject thats why we have totally off the topic boards.
Many people have become disenchanted with RootsChat because of the way that information is blocked or moved, and so prefer to communicate by the good, old-fashioned method of private e-mail with attachments. The great pity about that is that other people are unable to benefit from the information being transmitted.
The only things that have been blocked or removed are what could be deemed as breach of the copyright laws.
note i said could and not would.
have you read the copyright rules ?
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/copyright.php
[quote author=tommacgregor link=topic=326553.msg2071974#msg2071974 date=122099953}
Currently, my home office files contain a great deal of information about specific individuals and various families, including Birth, Marriage and Death Certificates. If I had been allowed to post that information without the interference of those people already mentioned, then a lot of people on RootsChat would have benefited from it.
you are lucky to hold such a wealth of information perhaps the above point I made affects this
I have been rather amused at some of the comments made on RootsChat, and have simply sat back and allowed some of those rather rude people to make themselves look rather foolish with their rather dismal attempts to cover up their obvious lack of first-hand knowledge of Fife and its people.
I am glad you find us funny,
We obviously do not all live in Fife, but where we do live does not always affect our ability to help others with queries relating to other parts of the world.
I am only disappointed that a few of you have been caught up in this rather disruptive scenario, but something had to be done, and as your postings are showing, you are just as tired as I am with it. There is no way that I will sit idly by and be dictated to by anyone, especially when that person is so clearly out to be merely disruptive. If people genuinely wish to receive perfectly good information on RootsChat, then, believe me, it can be provided, but without the intolerable rudeness being displayed by some.
If people are being disruptive the Mods can take the step to move them from the boards, this has happened in the past. If this has not been done in your senario then obviously the people you refer to are not being disruptive as you claim.
If you do not want to use this forum then don't you make your own choices in this life, you can always choose to ignore / not strike up a conversation the people you don't like.
Perhaps in your next post you can pose your question and then say so and so need not reply
Oh, incidentally, the individual who was drowned on the "Mary" off Bass Rock situated in the Firth of Forth, was John HEUGH. If my postings had not been blocked or moved, I would have been able to give you details about John who married Christian KEAY on 9th February, 1846 at Kilrenny. Their daughter, Janet Brown Heugh was born on 31st March, 1846 at Pittenweem and their son, Robert was born on 28th November, 1848 at Pittenweem. Now we can see why no more children were born. The name that I required was supplied by a person living quite close to Pittenweem.
If you knew all the inforamtion about the unfortunate person, then it somewhat confuses me as to why you bothered to ask the question in the first place.
I am sure your original post was not modified - for there is a bit at the bottom in italics that says last modified on such a such a date by whom.
Good day.
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My, my. What a fuss! Let me release you from your rather heated discussion.
Can I just add that the 'fuss' and 'heated conversation' was entirely caused by your posting and had you answered the reasonable question that was posed to you, i.e. do you know the persons name, none of this would have happened.
I will shut up now :-X and await your answer to my question
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also it is necessary for us to ask questions in order to be able to reply / help you especially if not all the inforamtion is forthcoming in the original posting, which in this case it wasn't
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I'm not sure whether I should post again but I feel impelled to say that I find it very upsetting indeed to see distress and concern being caused anew to a fresh group of good kindly sensible helpful RootsChatters.
The problem is not new - it is something which has been identified and articulated over many many months.
I'm a 'johnny-come-lately' to the problem - probably ca July. But at that time I read back through all of tommacgregor's posts (yes, I truly did read every single one - and the very few replies) and I became extremely concerned.
If anyone wishes to see an earlier similar sequence, I would suggest the thread "A disrupted family" at:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,282009.0.html
There are many other threads which clearly demonstrate the problem. References can be provided if anyone wishes.
I can only hope that there will finally be a resolution.
Preferably by Tom himself realizing how genealogical forums/message boards normally work and beginning to work within those parameters.
It seems that, like so many of us, Tom has accumulated a large amount of data; so, if people are seeking information which Tom holds, how good it would be if Tom could change his modus operandi to one of contributing specific information in response to their/our queries.
JAP
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tom,
Fortunately for me most of what needs to be said has already been said by other posters.
Can I simply say - you don't seem to have answered my questions in post 10 which were raised by your answer in post 3. I repeat them now:
a) why do you state that you want someone from Eastern Fife to answer the question?
b) why does (apparently) living far from Fife disqualify someone from answering?
c) why does lack of knowledge about a place apparently preclude someone from having an interest in that place?
These are well-intentioned questions and I am interested in your reply.
Jennifer
Maybe Tom didn't realise that JAP was a papergirl at that time and read the account first hand as she was delivering the papers ;D
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not sure if that's meant as a joke, sancti, but it's possible it won't be seen as such by everyone... :-\
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Of course it's an attempt at humour but if you feel it would offend people then just delete it :-X
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I can't delete it, sancti - I don't have the power ;D - and wasn't having a go, just aware that tempers are rather frayed lately and didn't want anyone getting upset, that's all :)
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A mod without power............ never!!!!! ;D
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Prue is a special Mod that's why she is green and not red ;)
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an eco-Mod 8)
Sancti - could I suggest that, in the absence of the ability/power to delete, you could modify your posting to remove anything that might be construed as offensive :D
Gadget
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This thread started with a question to which the answer was already known. It highlighted some issues that have been long causing saddness and disarray to those of us with roots in Fife.
Like Prue, I would suggest the humour and suggestions currently be kept for other threads. Sancti can laugh at Dave about taking photos in Renfrew in 1855 :o :o but it doesn't quite suit the majority of comments that have been made on this thread.
In a similar fashion to JAP, I think it would be great if we could all share our resources and research and enjoy Ffe in the same way as we enjoy the other boards on Rootschat. When that happens, our sense of humour will probably return.
Seems rather pointless to delete current comments - always makes replies to same appear somewhat lulu :)
Trish
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Hi everyone - I have a request:
Tom has been asked several questions on this topic which he has chosen not to answer.
Until Tom returns, and responds to the questions he has been asked, the Moderators ask that off-topic postings (i.e. those not directly about Drowning At Sea) be kept to a minimum until Tom returns and responds to the questions he has been asked. This will keep the thread as short as possible and will make it easier to follow :)
Thanks for your help, folks :D
Cheers
Prue (the Eco-Mod ;D )
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After deleting some posts added after her message, we would like to add to Prue's message to you all.
We wish to leave this topic open so that tommacgregor can respond to the unanswered questions.
Please do not add any more replies until Tom has answered us.
Thanks,
Bob
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Hi All (RootsChatters, Mods and Admin),
I'm very sorry if I'm seen to be being difficult by posting despite the request not to - but this does seem to me to be extremely important ...
My understanding is that a very few relatively unimportant posts have been deleted.
But my understanding is that one VERY important post has been deleted.
That post was, I understand, an implicitly offensive post from tommacgregor - and it has been far too frequently, in my view, that offensive posts from tommacgregor have been deleted thus protecting him.
My understanding is that this particular deleted post from tommacgregor was directed to sancti i.e. yet another "slap in the face" to all those kindly RootsChatters who have helped tommacgregor over many many months with their time, expertise and money; to all the RootsChatters & Mods who have asked pertinent questions on this particular thread; and to the Mods who have - on this particular thread - endorsed the need for those questions to be answered.
Why not leave the thread to continue as when Little Nell said:
"(And by the way this thread is complete! no deletions anywhere)"?
Kind regards to all,
JAP - Judith (Judy) A PHILIP
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We wish to leave this topic open so that tommacgregor can respond to the unanswered questions.
We ask you again, please do not add any more replies until Tom has answered these questions.
The moderating team have asked for co-operation from many contributors,
mostly by personal message and now by public message.
For those with a genuine wish to bring the matter to a close,
it would be nice if that co-operation was forthcoming.
This topic will remain open until Thursday, 18th September.
If Tom chooses not reply, it will be locked and the matter will be closed.
This may be unsatisfactory to some but the moderating team
try to moderate by encouragement rather than by force and humiliation.
The RootsChat Moderating Team.