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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: nick92 on Monday 08 September 08 23:20 BST (UK)
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Hello,
I have a birth certificate of who I think it is my ancestor but I don't know, because the date matches, the father's name could match but it's not enough.
Here what's on the birth cert. (I've also attached the cert. incase that could help) :
Robert Udny in Ochterellon, had a son baptized called ??? (nothing! just an empty blank, just as if the minister had left it in purpose, so that we would complete it after...), witnesses William Shenson on ??? (can't read it...), William Pirrie at the Milne.
He was born on October 17th, 1703, in Ellon, Aberdeenshire.
Thanks for your help.
Nick.
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Hi Nick,
Firstly, could you remove the full image - breech of copyright and RC rules.
Suggest you replace it with a cropped portion of the relevant part of the document, quoting the GROS reference.
Secondly, if this is the best you can get from SP, it might be worth asking someone, even SP, for a better copy.
Dave
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If you zoom in it does look as if there is a name mentioned.
Starting with an 'M' ending in a 'D'
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Just enlarged the relevant piece - are you looking at the 'called' Sancti - after it there is just a space.
All the other 'calleds' on the page are like this.
I have a couple of these and they match the ages of children subsequently found in censuses.
Gadget
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I thought that was the name after the word baptized.
Maybe he was called Called ;D
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Poor wee laddie ;D
His parents might not have decided or the minister/clerk forgot the name.
The only other time I've come across it is when a child was stillborn or died soon after birth - but this one had two witnesses :-\
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Thanks,
so this Udny would be stillborn or died soon after birth ?
My ancestor was James Udny married in 1727, and I've only find that Udny born in 1703 that could be him.
And when looking at the Scottish naming Convention, the first son should have the name of his paternal grandfather, and the first son of James is Robert! And they seem to have follow that convention naming system, when I look at the other children.
Also James got married in Ellon, and Robert was from Auchterellon which are two places just near each other.
Don't know if all this is a coincidence but considering the fact that I can't find any other James Udny that could fit him in his age when he married, I think that it is him...
Let me know what do you think.
Nick.
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Hi Nick
I think I said it could be because of a few reasons
still birth or very early death
parents not decided on a name
minister/clerk forgotten the name
If your ancestor was of a very similar age in other documents, then it's very possibly him but, without the name in the record, it is impossible to be 100% sure.
Regards
Gadget
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Hi Nick,
After my first post, I intended coming back to you.
Apologies for not doing so.
Anyway, gorgeous gadge and sexy san have done their bit.......
Dave the rave
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Those weren't the names on our baptism records, Dave ::)
;D
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Hi
Just thought I'd mention that I have 2 brothers whose 1775 and 1777 baptisms records show the father's name, followed by &, then....nothing! Both entries are incomplete, no mother's name after the '&' , no childs name, nada. We have, as a familly, assigned the names of these brothers from later documentation, but I've always wondered why both entries are identically incomplete. Both boys lived to marry and have children of their own, so the only thing I'd suggest is that you look out for follow-on documentation.
Lass x
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Witness is William Shewan ..Mains
I have often come across baptism records which have only a space & no name recorded. Auchterellon is a farm (now on the outskirts of the town of Ellon.)Do you think the witnesses may be relatives?
flst
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don't know if this will help
my grandfathers baptismal cert had no name as he was ill when born and christened staight away without a name
when better he was rebaptised and another cert issued at a later date
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Hello everyone!
Thanks for your help,
Lass, thanks for the info, I'm for sure going to try to find other documentation, but in the beginning of the 1700's there weren't many documentation on a person, only birth, mariage and death, mariage certs doesn't show the parents or age, and death I don't know where to find them...
Flst, I don't know if the witnesses are relatives, sometimes they are, but they could also be neighbours, family friends, as far I know, I don't know any Shewan in the Udny family, I'll have to search further for that.
Caroclay, that it's interesting it could finally be that after all, I'm going to look for an other Udny born a little after that, to see.
Actually, does anyone knows where I could find death records in Aberdeenshire for that time ?
Nick.
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Hi Nick,
The Aberdeen and North-east Scotland Family History Society have an online MI Index, you can find them here.....
http://www.anesfhs.org.uk/
I had a quick look and found 6 Udny's (using the literal search option), 1 in Ellon u/p, 6 in Foveran and 1 in Old Deer u/p, soundex gives a couple more.
Lynn
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I see you have had posts on this Udny family before.Perhaps you should link them? I "googled" "Udny of Udny" & found several sites which show the line of the Udny's .Your ancestors were mentioned.
Regards,
flst
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Hello,
yes, I know, I assume one of my ancestor is Robert Udny of Auchterellon son of John Udny of Udny & Isobel Fraser.
But I don't through which one of his children I'm descendant of, the Robert Udny of Auchterellon in the brith cert., that I've put in this topic, should be the same Robert Udny son of John & Isobel Udny, and the Udny with no name should be one of his child, but that's why I don't know if it is my James Udny, because I only need to prove that the Udny with no name is my James Udny.
James Udny married Jean Shand, both are my ancestors.
I'm almost sure that James's father is called Robert, because of the Scottish name convention, that my ancestors seemed to use.
But I can't find a James Udny son of a Robert that could fit my James.
Nick.