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Title: Completed - Robert Bentley
Post by: sonstar on Monday 08 September 08 17:22 BST (UK)
I am tracing my family tree and have information on grandads side: george Leslie bentley born west derby, 1923

Apparantly he had a brother called Robert Bentley

Who married a lady called Brenda and a last known address is 12 sandals road Baildon, Bradford.

He worked/owned a wool mill.

Anyone got any relevant information for me? Thank you
Title: Re: Robert Bentley
Post by: lizdb on Monday 08 September 08 20:21 BST (UK)
Have you looked on FreeBMD?

George Leslie's birth is there. If you use the same mothers maiden name and district, you will see there are two sisters registered.
you will need to go through the full indexes quarter by quarter (available on pay to view sites or probably at your local library) to check out for a Robert.

Not sure what info you are wanting - are you trying to trace backwards or to find living rellies (the latter is more for a site like Genes Reunited I would say, rather then this one)
Title: Re: Robert Bentley
Post by: sonstar on Monday 08 September 08 20:53 BST (UK)
i am trying to trace back.

I have George Leslie Bentley and hissiblings with mother of STockley

I have have his mum Amelia Rosetta Stockley married Jesse Bentley in 1907.

Jesse had a brother called Robert, im trying to track him.

Have an address only really.... no birth or possible death records!!
Title: Re: Robert Bentley
Post by: lizdb on Monday 08 September 08 21:01 BST (UK)
So Robert is JESSE's brother, George Leslie's UNCLE?
Title: Re: Robert Bentley
Post by: sonstar on Monday 08 September 08 21:05 BST (UK)
yes...

my grandad said his dad had a brother called Robert and he got married to a lady named Brenda and the last known address he has for Robert is 12 sandals road, Baildon, Shipley

Robert owned or ran a wool mill in Bradford...

This so far is all i know about his Uncle Robert Bentley.

Thanks for your help
Title: Re: Robert Bentley
Post by: lizdb on Monday 08 September 08 21:09 BST (UK)
No help with Robert, but here is a possible for Amelia in 1901 (you can confirm by seeing if her dad was a William, a colliery labourer, or miner or similar, on her marriage cert)

RG13 2696 140 50

2 Old Fishley Walsall
William Stockley wid 40 Colliery lab bn Fishley
Thomas 18 son Colliery Engine stoker bn Essington?
Amelia R 16 dtr bn Pelsall
Title: Re: Robert Bentley
Post by: lizdb on Monday 08 September 08 21:13 BST (UK)
Who is Jesse's dad, and his dad's occupation, from hismarriage cert to Amelia?
Title: Re: Robert Bentley
Post by: sonstar on Monday 08 September 08 21:20 BST (UK)
yeah thats her dad was William her mum is Margaret - but dont know Margarets maiden name.

Jesse Bentley - i have no info on either parents for him i dont have access to marriage cert :(
Title: Re: Robert Bentley
Post by: lizdb on Monday 08 September 08 21:24 BST (UK)
I would say your next move would best be to get a copy of that mariage cert - will give you his dad.

Jul/Aug/Sep 1907
West Derby Reg district
ref 6b 669

certs can be ordered inline at
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/
Title: Re: Robert Bentley
Post by: sonstar on Monday 08 September 08 21:26 BST (UK)
thank you so much for your help!! :)

I will buy that certificate!!
Title: Re: Robert Bentley
Post by: lizdb on Monday 08 September 08 21:30 BST (UK)
Here is Amelia in 1891 - might be a clue there about her mum's family!

RG12 2248 24 46
4 Fishley Lane
Walter Chappel 25 Boatman
Elizabeth 23 wife
George 3
Maud 1
William Stockley brother-in-law 28 Mar
Thomas 8 nephew
Amelie 6 neice

It says Married for William, so I dont know where Margaret is - though it could be an error
Title: Re: Robert Bentley
Post by: lizdb on Monday 08 September 08 21:33 BST (UK)
No -they are not Chappels as I thought!

Marriage
Jul/Aug/Sep 1882
Walsall reg distr
ref 6b 860

William Stockley
one of brides on the page: MArgaret Bates
Title: Re: Robert Bentley
Post by: sonstar on Monday 08 September 08 21:34 BST (UK)
william stockley was amelias dad.... i have thomas as a brother.... so that sounds right...
the mum may have not been there...as the census only provide info of the people in the house at the time of the person visiting.

is elizabeth the wife of chappell??
Title: Re: Robert Bentley
Post by: lizdb on Monday 08 September 08 21:36 BST (UK)
just got it sorted!

Elizabeth must be William Stockleys sister

Marriage:
Ap/May/Jun 1886
Walsall
6b 832
Walter James Chappell
Elizabeth Stockley

Title: Re: Robert Bentley
Post by: sonstar on Monday 08 September 08 21:41 BST (UK)
ok im confused now haha...

ive just got the record for 1891 - that looks right to me... Amelia had a brother of Thomas and father of William Stockley - same ages

So they lived there

my grandad mentioned Bloxwich to me tongiht so thats definately her!!!

Now to find her mothers details :) haha
Title: Re: Robert Bentley
Post by: lizdb on Monday 08 September 08 21:45 BST (UK)
In 1881:

Rg11 2821 22 41
Little Bloxwich
James Stockley 49 Colliry Labourer
Hannah 49 wife
Joseph 22
William 20
Hannah 15
Elizabeth 12
James 10
Martha 3

all bn Little Bloxwich

and .... about 3 doors away is
Walter Chappel 19 lodger Boatman

so Elizabeth really did marry "the boy next door" !
Title: Re: Robert Bentley
Post by: lizdb on Monday 08 September 08 21:48 BST (UK)
And I wonder if this is Margaret Bates
RG11 2821 153 42
Title: Re: Robert Bentley
Post by: sonstar on Monday 08 September 08 22:02 BST (UK)
i have this for when William was 5 months old:

William Stockley
born abt 1860
Son
Father   Jas
Mother Anna
born: Little Bloxwich
Title: Re: Robert Bentley
Post by: sonstar on Monday 08 September 08 22:04 BST (UK)
then theres

William Stockley
20
abt 1861
Son
Father's    James
Mother's    Hannah
born: Little Bloxwich, Staffordshire, England

Are they 2 differnet william stockleys born in 1860 about etc?
Title: Re: Robert Bentley
Post by: lizdb on Tuesday 09 September 08 10:54 BST (UK)
Not quite with you

What you have just posted is the 1881 census details, that I had given before - same person, same family, same household.

The 1861 one you have found looks very much like the same family - Hannah and Anna are often mixed.

by the way - it looks as if you have "cut and pasted" the census details from the index of another site - this actually breaches copyright. Although the information itself is not copyrighted, the sites themselves are - hence you should not pass on the info in a cut and paste form, but type it up in your own words, so to speak. (the ones I typed up for you were as I read the image, not just the index)
Title: Re: Robert Bentley
Post by: sonstar on Tuesday 09 September 08 11:53 BST (UK)
what i mean is that there is a william Stockley registered on both census - but with different (similar) named parents

Anna / hannah
jas / james

also williams sister is registered as Ellen / Elizabeth on both census...

Could this be mis spellings or simply that there is 2 different William Stockleys born in the same year in same area etc?

Thanks
Title: Re: Robert Bentley
Post by: lizdb on Tuesday 09 September 08 12:28 BST (UK)
Jas is a recognised abbreviation for James
Hannah and Anna are frequently interchanged

Are there two JAmes Stockleys iwith the same families in Little Bloxwith ever on the SAME census at the same time? That would prove there are two families with Willams.

I havent looked closley but on the censuses I have looked at there are only one,so I am pretty sure there is just the one family.
Title: Re: Robert Bentley
Post by: sonstar on Tuesday 09 September 08 12:31 BST (UK)
ooh thank you Liz

Its quite alot of logical working out with these things isnt it :)

I will have a closer look this afternoon thank you so much..

Now onto Robert Bentley hahaha!!!
Title: Re: Robert Bentley
Post by: lizdb on Tuesday 09 September 08 12:41 BST (UK)
phew - finallly got th efamily in 1871 (indexed Stanley)

RG10 2959 38 26
Little Bloxwich
JAmes Stockley 40 Ag lab
Hannah 39
Joseph 12
William 10
Emma 8
Hannah 6
Elizabeth 3
James 4mth  all children bn Lt Bl
James Smith brother in law 32 Ag lab
Title: Re: Robert Bentley
Post by: lizdb on Tuesday 09 September 08 12:46 BST (UK)
Marriage
Ap/May/Jun 1851
Penkridge Staffs reg district
ref 17 153
James Stockley
Hannah Smith
Title: Re: Robert Bentley
Post by: sonstar on Tuesday 09 September 08 12:57 BST (UK)
Thank you so much for that - you are all so helpful on here!!

I wish there was some way i could repay you!!
Title: Re: Robert Bentley
Post by: carol8353 on Tuesday 09 September 08 13:06 BST (UK)
Well done Liz,with finding Amelia's family,but it didn't get us any nearer finding Robert did it  ;D

Sonstar PM'd me yesterday about him ,but like you I had no luck finding him.

I was surprised that someone who was Jesse's brother ie born around 1860 ish would have married someone called Brenda.There are less than 20 in the whole country up till about 1900.

More popular a surname in Scotland I believe.

I also suggested that Sonstar buy that 1907 marriage cert to confirm that we are indeed chasing the right Bentley family.

Let us know when you have it Sonia, and Liz and I will start looking for them again  ;D ;D

Carol
Title: Re: Robert Bentley
Post by: sonstar on Tuesday 09 September 08 13:16 BST (UK)
thank you carol and liz :) i appreciate your help!!

im slowly piecing it together - mums seem to be easier to trace.

Ie my great grandmother Amelia Rosetta Stockley has been easier to trace right through to the Chappel thing we found - ie that the Chappels lived near the Stockleys and one ended up marrying a Chappel. :)

I am struggling so much with Jesse - I have at least some info on where he lived in 1911 - but i cant work out if the birth record for Bradford is him or not!!

Robert owned/ran a wool mill in Bradford area and he married a lady called Brenda- but they may not have married until the mid 1900's - im not 100% sure... all i know is that Robert & Brenda lived at 12 sandals Road, Baildon, Shipley around the 1950s as Mabel Jones ( my grandfathers sister) went to visit them!!!
Title: Re: Robert Bentley
Post by: lizdb on Tuesday 09 September 08 13:20 BST (UK)
Hi Carol!!

Didnt know you were working on this one too.

I too wondered about the name Brenda, I wonder if it WAS Robert (bro of Jesse) who married the Brenda, rather than someone in the next generation (as indeed the original post on this thread said) - you know as well as I how often famly stories get attached to the wrong person!

We will see. If Sonstar gets Jesse's marriage cert in 1907 it will give us a fathers name and occupation (hopefully!) and we can go from there.

I wonder if there were any more children of the Jesse/Amelia marriage? Married 1907, children 1912, 1914 and 1923. I just wondered if the elusive Robert could actually be of this generation and born 1907-1912.
But that would make him a brother of Sonstars grandad, who is still laive, so he should know!
Title: Re: Robert Bentley
Post by: lizdb on Tuesday 09 September 08 13:25 BST (UK)
Can Mabel Jones remember how old Robert and Brenda were when she visited them? If Robert was a sibling of Jesse they would be quite elderly by then. Jesse himself (if still alive) would be celebrating his golden wedding in 1957....
Title: Re: Robert Bentley
Post by: sonstar on Tuesday 09 September 08 13:27 BST (UK)
Brenda married the Robert Bentley who is Jesse bentelys brother - so 1850's onwards. Not sure when the marriage was yet!!

I will get the certificate ordered this avo!!

Jesse/Amelia had other children:

Alice Maude Bentley 1912 - 1999
born west derby, died wanganui NZ

Mabel Bentley 1908 - 1990
born west derby, died wanganui NZ

Mary F Bentley 1914 - 1922
born west derby, died west derby

William Slater Bentley 1910-1969
born west derby, died (not sure yet)

then there was grandad last:

george leslie bentley 1923-present
born west derby, currently living in Bedfordshire!!!


My grandad has specifically said Robert was Jesse's brother... and that Mabel went to visit him from NZ - so that could have been 1948 +

Hope this helps somewhat!!
Title: Re: Robert Bentley
Post by: sonstar on Tuesday 09 September 08 13:29 BST (UK)
Can Mabel Jones remember how old Robert and Brenda were when she visited them? If Robert was a sibling of Jesse they would be quite elderly by then. Jesse himself (if still alive) would be celebrating his golden wedding in 1957....

Im not sure on their ages... all i know is grandad said

"Mabel went to visit them at 12 sandals road, baildon, shipley - and that he had owned a wool mill"

by owned - could mean worked in haha!!

It may have been that Mabel went to visit them around the 1950's - also Robert may have been younger than Jesse who knows.

Grandad also told me that Jesse Bentley died when he was out at war - around 1940's. :(
Title: Re: Robert Bentley
Post by: carol8353 on Tuesday 09 September 08 14:51 BST (UK)
A Jesse Bentley age 61 died in Liverpool North in Dec 1942 ref 8b page 325.
That would tie in with the 1880 birth that I found for you yesterday.

Do you live anywhere near Bradford Sonia? If so you could go and check out the electoral rolls of Sandals Road to find out the full names of those living there in the 1950's.

If not then an email to Bradford library(google it-it's being very slow today) explaining to them that you aren't able to visit in person,may get you a look up.They can only say no,and you may be lucky enough and they say yes  ;)

If you don't ask you won't get  ;D ;D ;D

Carol
Title: Re: Robert Bentley
Post by: sonstar on Tuesday 09 September 08 15:02 BST (UK)
Good point Carol, i would never think of these things - ill get in contact with sefton gov again.

I live in nrorwich at the moment, but am tempted to take a drive up to Liverpool soon - possibly take around 5hours though so ill need to be very prepared haha!!

I want to go to all these places ive been looking up :)

ok so this jesse bentley that died - wheres liverpool north... if he lived in Bootle would that be correct (mind you he could have moved couldnt he) be interesting to see if thats him or not...

where was the 1880 birth again? sorry - so many places and dates in my head right now :)

Title: Re: Robert Bentley
Post by: carol8353 on Tuesday 09 September 08 15:07 BST (UK)

If you check out http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/cgi/marrind.cgi and enter Jesse Bentley and 1907 you will see he married Amelia at St. John The Divine,Fairfield.

You can also check births and deaths for all of Lancashire there too.

Also you can order certs through them online with a credit of debit card.
I am waiting for one from Cheshire at this very moment.

Carol
Title: Re: Robert Bentley
Post by: carol8353 on Tuesday 09 September 08 15:18 BST (UK)
where was the 1880 birth again? sorry - so many places and dates in my head right now :)



This is the possible 1881 Bentley family. Notice how they seem to be Cotton workers not Wool?


 William BENTLEY   Head   35   Baildon,    Cotton Warp Dresser     
 Rachael BENTLEY   Wife   30   Baildon   Cotton Warp Dresser Wife     
 George BENTLEY   Son      8  all kids born Baildon Scholar     
 Lottie BENTLEY   Daur      7      Scholar     
 Mary A. BENTLEY   Daur    5       Scholar     
 Hettie BENTLEY   Daur      3       Scholar     
 Jesse S. BENTLEY   Son    3 m     

 
Living at  21 East Parade  Baildon, York,
   RG11 / 4339  folio  33 page 5


Carol


Title: Re: Robert Bentley
Post by: sonstar on Tuesday 09 September 08 15:29 BST (UK)
thats looking good for Jesse... although no robert!!

maybe wasnt born then as jesse was only 3ms.

yeah that is a connection to the mill thing with the cotton.

My problem is i dont know where this "jesse" was born... only where he lived and where he married.

i think the certificate is going to play a major part in this investigation! :) haha
Title: Re: Robert Bentley
Post by: sonstar on Tuesday 09 September 08 16:58 BST (UK)
some one from local studies in bradford kindly emailed me this just now:

"I've looked through the Trade Directories and, although I couldn't find a Robert Bentley, there was a Bentley & Co., Stuff (woollen cloth) Merchants, on 38/42 Booth Street in the centre of Bradford from 1894 to 1912 approx.. This was the address of their warehouse. Of course, there is no guarantee these were the same Bentleys!"

Does this help anyone?
Title: Re: Robert Bentley
Post by: lizdb on Wednesday 10 September 08 15:06 BST (UK)
I am  treading a little on Carol's toes here  :o as she has worked hard to find that family in 1881, and also 1891. I have now got them in 1901 too (I expect Carol has too).

Here are the details:

1891 (found by Carol, not me)
Baildon
RG12 3530 109 17
George 46 Cotton Warp dresser
Rachel wife 40
Lottie 17 worsted weaver
Mary Ann 15
Ettie 13
Jesse (indexed Jane!) 10
Edward 7
George William 5

and in 1901
Rg13 4067 83 33
Oak Place Baildon
William 57 Worsted warp dresser
Rachel 50
Charlotte 27 Worsted weaver
Mary A 25   "
Ettie 23   "
Jesse 20 Drapers assistant
Edward 17 Apprentice to AMrket gardener
George William 15 wool sorting.

I think it is highly likely that this is your Jesse's family.
Although they seemd to start in cotton, I always thought "worsted" was wool , though I may be wrong. Anyway, wool is gradually creeping in as little George sorts wool.

There is, alas, no Robert. But I do wonder if robert's name has been misremembered over theyears? could th emystery brother that Auntie Mabel visited possibly have actually been George William? or Edward?
( Could George William have been known as Robert to differentiate from father William and older brother George?)

Looking at the 1901, we know YOUR Jesse marries in 1907 - so will be interesting to see how old he was then and who his father was, and his occupation.  That will help confirm if this one in 1881/91/01 is the right Jesse.
If it is then sorry, there is not a brother called Robert unless born after 1901 - but mum is 50 so rather unlikely.

Title: Re: Robert Bentley
Post by: lizdb on Wednesday 10 September 08 15:18 BST (UK)
I've looked on freeBMD at marriages for various Edwards and George Williams, but none marry a Brenda.
I still wonder if perhaps Robert and Brenda are Son and dtr in law of one of Jesse's brothers.....
Title: Re: Robert Bentley
Post by: sonstar on Wednesday 10 September 08 15:21 BST (UK)
Thank you for that Liz, i think Robert Bentley is a different family group to Jesse Bentley

He was alive in 1970 - as he sent an xmas card to my grandfather, he knew him as uncle bob. was married to brenda, lived in baildon.

So i am assuming he was born around the 1900's - possibly the next generation down!!!

Hmmm ill keep looking... there were definately bentleys in that area - so grandad wasnt far off with his memories
Title: Re: Robert Bentley
Post by: lizdb on Wednesday 10 September 08 15:37 BST (UK)
Aha - if Robert was alive in 1970's I think that rules out for sure that he was a brother of Jesse!
Looks very much as if he was a son of one of Jesse's brothers, as we thought, and so your grandad would be a secondcousin to him. Or maybe he is a grandchild of one of Jesse's brothers, making him actually a second cousin once removed to your grandad, whom he could well have called "uncle" for ease!
Title: Re: Robert Bentley
Post by: sonstar on Wednesday 10 September 08 15:40 BST (UK)
thats what i was thinking... im trying to find directories for Baildon area - but its not easy haha :)

thanks for your help you are all brililant :)
Title: Re: Robert Bentley
Post by: sonstar on Friday 12 September 08 11:24 BST (UK)
NEWS FLASH

I managed to track down my family in NZ and spoke to them this morning... he confirmed its an UNCLE BILL that lives in baildon and they visited them in 2000 - so should be alive still!!!

how do i get hold of info for Baildon?
does any one have records?
Title: Re: William Bentley
Post by: lizdb on Friday 12 September 08 16:15 BST (UK)
So now we have a Bill (William?) alive in 2000 rather than a Bob (Robert) contemporary of Jesse born 1881. Seemed to have spanned three centuries.

I give up!

I suggest you get a lot more info about Bill/Bob/whoever from your rellies in NZ before even thinknig of looking for anything else. Is it really this Bill (current generation) you are interested in? Or are you actually trying to find a brother of your great grandad (as you were at beginning of thread).

If you are interested in this Bill - well he was visited in 2000 so you can check the deaths at least up to 2005 on FreeBMD. If he hasnt died (and hopefully the NZ rellies can give you an approximation of his age and state of health) then why not simply write to the address they saw him at and see if he is still there?
Title: Re: William Bentley
Post by: sonstar on Friday 12 September 08 16:25 BST (UK)
Good idea!!! :) thankyou!
Title: Re: William Bentley
Post by: carol8353 on Friday 12 September 08 16:36 BST (UK)
I have just PM'd Sonstar with some new info on these people,so I think that will be the end of tracing them......as I think I've found her family ..again  ;)

Carol
Title: Re: William Bentley
Post by: sonstar on Tuesday 23 September 08 17:12 BST (UK)
Thank you for all your help with this topic - i have found who i was looking for and have details of the Robert Bentley from my 2nd cousin!

I recieved the marraige certifcate from the council at the weekend, which i was completely chuffed at, it indicates that:

1907 - August 4th:

Jesse Bentley - aged 26. father was a William Bentley, last known address Butterfield Street - Liverpool i think - occupation - drapers assistant. Fathers Occupation - gentlemen.
Amelia R Stockley - aged 22. father was a William Stockley, last known address Lister Road - Liverpool again. occupation - (none). Fathers Occupation - Collier (dont know wht that means).


Thank you so much for all your help with finding the William Bentley family, i really appreciate it!  :'(

Title: Re: Completed - Robert Bentley
Post by: carol8353 on Tuesday 23 September 08 17:52 BST (UK)
A collier works down a coal mine  ;D

Carol
Title: Re: Completed - Robert Bentley
Post by: Mk2_Zephyr on Wednesday 24 September 08 13:38 BST (UK)
 :)
Title: Robert Bentley
Post by: sonstar on Tuesday 30 September 08 15:00 BST (UK)
This is REOPEN - i have some more information from my grandads sisters diary that she wrote before she passed?

 i now know where the ROBERT came from:

Quote
Uncle George, dad's eldest
brother lived in the next street with his wife Aunty Laura..they had 3
boys William, Fred,Robert  who  all worked in the Baildon Woollen Mills.

uncle george is George Bentley born 1872 baildon married a Laura at some point and had the 3 sons - who i take it will be my grandads cousins!! :)

Any one have info on the mills!!!
Title: Re: Robert Bentley BAILDON
Post by: lizdb on Tuesday 30 September 08 15:27 BST (UK)
Are you meaning the George William - Jesse's youngest brother? but this note says  "dad's eldest brother"

hmm which generation are we talking here?
Title: Re: Robert Bentley BAILDON
Post by: lizdb on Tuesday 30 September 08 15:31 BST (UK)
no no sorry -

I see the family also have a George as their eldest child! (8 in 1881)
they dont make it easy for us do they!
Title: Re: Robert Bentley BAILDON
Post by: sonstar on Tuesday 30 September 08 15:41 BST (UK)
hi Liz - yeah the eldest brother George - there was 2 georges :)

The eldest George was born 1872 in Baildon area!! So yeah he was 8 in 1881. He married a Laura and had the 3 children - William, Fred and Robert

I am assuming this is the Robert i have been hunting information on!! :)
Title: Re: Robert Bentley BAILDON
Post by: lizdb on Tuesday 30 September 08 18:24 BST (UK)
Number ONE rule in family history;

Never Assume Anything!

I believe Carol found your Robert - did the dates indicate he could be a son of this George?
Title: Re: Robert Bentley BAILDON
Post by: sonstar on Tuesday 30 September 08 18:28 BST (UK)
carol found the bentley family for my great grandfather - jesse bentley!!

This has the siblings of jesse who had the son Robert etc...  ???
Title: Re: Robert Bentley BAILDON
Post by: AMBLY on Wednesday 01 October 08 01:21 BST (UK)
Hi Sonia

Popped in from the other topic!
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,330994.0.html

One thing bothers me here...actually a couple of things....

1) Your Grandad is  b 1923, the last born child of Jesse (1881-1942, m 1907). Is that right?
Your Grandad says he used to call the much sought-after Robert, who was alive in the 1970's,  "Uncle Bob ' and that Mabel, Grandad's eldest sibling visited this "Uncle Bob" around 1948?

And it is asserted above that this Robert is the son of Jesse's eldest sibling, George b 1872.
Which would make Grandad b 1923 and Robert b ????, 1st cousins. I wouldn't have thought the realtionship convoluted enough, or far enough apart in years, to warrant Grandad calling Robert "Uncle"....but could be wrong about that......

Or is it that Grandad talked about Uncle Bill, (George William b 1886) and Mabel visited him in 1948? And Uncle Bill had a son, Bob?

2)
1881 Census for the BENTLEY's - Jesse is there age 3mths.
The Eldest child there is George 8, b abt 1872 Baildon.

1891 Census for the BENTLEY's - George b 1872 not there (now would be abt 18?). But a new child, George William age 5, b abt 1886 has appeared. This George William is also present in 1901, age 15.  Yes there are documented instances of English families giving two living children the same first name.  But it was rare and relatively speaking, it was  far more common for parents who, when a child died young , gave their next born child of  the same gender the same name as the one who died. It happened a lot in Scotland, and to a lesser extent, in England.

I really don't think George b 1872 lived.  Is it not more possible he died and this may be his death registration:
    George BENTLEY age 13, Sep Qtr 1885, Wharfedale


And after all that - I have just  found:
George William BENTLEY b 1886 - Jesse's younger brother., is definitely, the one who married Laura.
Sep Qtr 1907, N. Brierley - George William BENTLEY and Laura Elizabeth McCLEARNS

George William age 32, Baildon, enlisted to Army Reserves 1915, and was re-mobilized in WW1 in 1918. . His service record names his wife as above and has particulars of their 1907 marriage and - names 2 children:
William b 1907 Windmill?
Frederick A(lexander?) b 1911 Baildon

If they GW and Laura had a Robert, then it seems like it was after 1918 - or between 1915-1919, so again close to the age of your Grandad b 1923 who surely to goodness would not be calling such a Robert, "Uncle".....

I shall PM you with details.
There is an address for GW. Maybe Grandad will recognise some of the information (address' etc)....

Cheers
AMBLY
Title: Re: Robert Bentley BAILDON
Post by: AMBLY on Wednesday 01 October 08 02:02 BST (UK)
Hi All

I think........We need to be very careful here - we are getting to be dealing with people who are living, and who may have no wish to find their names and  close personal details on-line.....including Grandad I'm afraid ,if he hasn't explicitly given permission to have his name, age publicly available like this. And given the apparent propensity for the BENTLEY's  living to good old-age, we need to be especially careful.

Quote
Mabel went to visit them at 12 sandals road, baildon, shipley

The BENTLEY in question is listed in the BT phone book online at that exact address.

http://www.thephonebook.bt.com/publisha.content/en/search/residential/search.publisha


Cheers
AMBLY
Title: Re: Robert Bentley BAILDON
Post by: sonstar on Wednesday 01 October 08 08:17 BST (UK)
oh i forgot that they might still be living at Baildon address - im sorry everyone, i will be more careful in future.

I just wanted to try and find the Robert - with this topic i am condensing it into the other forum as it the Bentley tree im looking into now,not just the Robert - so i will change it to completed again and maybe someone can move it to the completed section so it will get ignored.

Thank you for your advice Ambly i am not 100% sure which Robert he is and who the living one is a son of etc, but i am going to write to him and explain who i am and what i am doing, i am sure they will help me. If not then i will go back to the drawing board!

Ok  - well the BENTLEY thread is already underway on a nother page:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,330994.0.html

Thank you all for your help with the Robert Bentley chase :)
Title: Re: Completed - Robert Bentley
Post by: sonstar on Wednesday 21 August 13 09:36 BST (UK)
I just wanted to say thank you to everyone who helped me with all of this family tree.

Since this thread I found Grandads living New Zealand relatives and his Nephew Alexander D who is Mabels son that we spoke of in this thread has been over to visit.

Unfortunately my Grandad passed away on the 1st August 2013... it was been a very sad time. But Alec made it over for the funeral yesterday.

I can only thank you all for this xx
Title: Re: Completed - Robert Bentley
Post by: AMBLY on Wednesday 11 September 13 08:23 BST (UK)
Hi Sonstar

Was just going thru my list of updates topics...and realised your update  message of August relates back to where we left off in 2008!

I'm glad you were able to re'unite with kiwi family  - I do so  hope one of the visits was made before your Grandad passed away. But if not, (or even if so!) I'm sure he was really pleased  that you were able to find them  ;D

Sorry to hear the news, RIP Grandad.

Kind regards
AMBLY
Title: Re: Completed - Robert Bentley
Post by: sonstar on Monday 16 September 13 11:28 BST (UK)
Hi Sonstar

Was just going thru my list of updates topics...and realised your update  message of August relates back to where we left off in 2008!

I'm glad you were able to re'unite with kiwi family  - I do so  hope one of the visits was made before your Grandad passed away. But if not, (or even if so!) I'm sure he was really pleased  that you were able to find them  ;D

Sorry to hear the news, RIP Grandad.

Kind regards
AMBLY

Thanks Ambly!

He came over when I was pregnant with my son, so 3 years ago pretty much to the month. He spent time with Grandad and they caught up - it was great. I am so so glad that they had that opportunity. Its funny he looks a lot like Grandad, you would think they were father and son not uncle and nephew.

Alec is coming back to see us all in a few weeks, we are hoping to have some happier times before they jet back to NZ.

I really appreciate all of the help you gave us when I was searching. It means the world to me and I know my Grandad was grateful too. x