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looking for some help in tracing more about my g grandfather
have found his marriage cert which only has place of birth as england
the family story i have been told was he was the son of george clayton
who was one of three brothers
one of which was a glass/diamond cutter
the other had something to do with boats/barges
and the other came to scotland to work in the steelworks this being my gg grandfather
names being possibly albert- george-arthur-joseph
as my grandfather and his brothers where named after there uncles
im trying to trace the area they came from to continue my search
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Hello caro and welcome to Rootschat.
Can you give us some details about your great grandfather please? Name, when married, age and occupation at marriage? Also the names of the marriage witnesses might be useful.
Barbara
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hi
my gg grandfather was george clayton he was married to emily poole i can't find a marriage cert for them
they where both deceased at the time of my g grandfathers marriage in 1914
his occupation on the marraige cert is given as steelworks furnaceman
my g grandfather Arthur clayton was born about 1887 but was not on the scottish cen in 1901
so he must still have been in england at that time ?
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Hello caro
I have drawn a blank on this in the 1891 and 1901 censuses.
I found an Arthur Clayton with mother Emily (a widow) living in Epping in 1891. Emily remarries to a man named Parish who is dead by the 1901 census. Emily's maiden name is Jenkins and I think her husband was Arthur. This does not seem to fit with what you know.
I assume you have checked the Scottish censuses for suname variants/mis-spellings?
Barbara
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arthur being the son and emily being the mother is correct
i have since found out through arthur marraige cert
that george was still alive (and retired) in 1914 when arthur married
but emily was deceased
i have also found emily's birth cert and she was born in dalrymple ayrshire in 1867
but still no record of a marriage
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In a Clayton my name is john Edward Clayton my dad was John Clayton his dad my grandad was Richard Clayton my NAN was Edith Clayton was dolan.my great grandfather was JOHN PENRITH CLAYTON my great man was Isabella Clayton was THRELFALL my GREAT GREAT GRANDAD WAS RICHARD CLAYTON and my GREAT GREAT NAN was PHOEBE CLAYTON WAS PENRITH my FAMILY live in Blackpool my mum was jenny Clayton was hampson...Johnny n Sammy....
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Welcome to RootsChat.
Do you think your Clayton family is connected to Caro's great-grandfather's family?
This topic is from 14 years ago.
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caroclay, how much info do you have about you gggrandfather George. I have traced his parents, found him on 1861/71/1881/91/1901 england census and 1911. Do you want these details??
John
Added did Arthur die 9.Aug 1939
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Yes please we have a Benjamin Clayton born 1808 died UNKNOWN MARRIED Elizabeth Clayton was Burton born 1810 died UNKNOWN...Born losscoe Derbyshire..
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Having done the research if it's of no use to the original poster it may be of use to someone else.
I would point out that whilst we all work with given documented evidence it can sometimes be incorrect and in the below I believe this to be the case.
I will start at the end and work backwards with dates and links.
21st June 1918. The death of George Clayton of 423, Glasgow Road, Wishaw. Occupation Ironworker. Married to Agnes Williams nee' Gambles. Informant Agnes Robertson--step daughter). George's parents recorded as David Clayton deceased & Elizabeth Clayton ms Rhodes
1911 scottish census
George Clayton 48 Ironworker born England
Agnes Clayton 43 born England
Joseph E H Williams 21 born England (Joseph Ernest Alphonso Williams mq 1890 Cockermouth mmn Gambles)
Arthur Clayton 23 born England
Agnes Williams 18 born England
Albert Clayton 6 born Cambusnethan (Born as George Albert Clayton 9.3.1905, father George Clayton, mother Agnes Clayton, Williams, Gambles. Parents allegedly married 20.10.1903 Workington)
DQ 1902 Cockermouth Death of a David Clayton aged 53 = c1849
SQ 1902 Cockermouth Death of an Emily Clayton aged 43 = c1859
1901 England census for David, Emma & George in Workington.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSV2-7K9
1901 census for Agnes Williams in Workington
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSV2-4T1
1891 England census--Newcastle under Lyme
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:WQYK-R3Z
1887 Possible birth
POOLE, ARTHUR -
GRO Reference: 1887 M Quarter in NEWCASTLE UNDER LYME Volume 06B Page 69 No mother's maiden name
1881 census for David Clayton--Note occupation-by himself
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27V-SDHH
1881 census for George Clayton--with an Emma She is born Shropshire as per 1891 & 1901 census so probably David's wife, it say "brother" but he is "brother in Law"
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27V-Z547
1871 census reference 4708 35 13 for George
1871 census reference 4708 47 37 for David & Emma
DQ 1869 Rotherham Marriage of David Clayton to an Emma POOLE Emma aged 22 father Philip Poole occuption Waggoner, David aged 22 occ Shingler-father David Clayton occ Mill Furnessman. Married 25th December 1869 Parish church Rotherham. Image on Findmypast
1861 census, Rawmarsh, Rotherham
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7G6-6QW
1854 birth.
CLAYTON, GEORGE mother's maiden name RHODES
GRO Reference: 1854 J Quarter in ROTHERHAM Volume 09C Page 412
6th May 1849 Wellington, Shropshire Baptism of Emma Poole. Parents Philip & Rebecca abode Hayfield. Image on Findmypast
1846 birth
CLAYTON, DAVID mother's maiden name RHODES
GRO Reference: 1846 S Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON & SEISDON Volume 17
25th Sept 1843 David Clayton married Elizabeth Rhodes. Image on Findmypast
Please weigh up all this info, but after the death of David & Emily in 1902 Cockermouth I believe George Clayton took on looking after Arhtur Clayton(possibly Poole). I cannot answer why if David and Emily were married in 1869 why Arthur's birth is not recorded with mmn Poole but as George was always living with them could he have actually been the father?
John
Added--as per opening post
names being possibly albert- george-arthur-joseph
These names possibly being George Albert Clayton 1905, Arthur Clayton (Poole) 1887 and Joseph Ernest Adolphus Williams
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Thank you so much for the information, I have pieced together much of this information but you have filled in a few blanks, going by census records and Arthur’s marriage cert he lists George as his father although Emily is married to David also Arthur’s had sons named Arthur Clayton George Albert Clayton Joseph Ernest alphonso Clayton and my grandfather Philip Clayton there is no David in the children
Regards Carolyn