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Are there any resources out there, or anyone able to look up records of monumental inscriptions for Pateley Bridge? I am interested in the NOBLE family from 1865-1915.
All the best
Tim
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Hello Tim, I have only recently registered with this site so you may be surprised to receive this - I notice you posted your request over a year ago!!
My daughter and I record MI's in the Pateley Bridge area and also work with the Nidderdale Museum. We are in the process of recording the cemetery which is currently undergoing major work reinstating damaged and fallen memorials. However I can offer the following information and hope this may be of help in your research:
These are all in the 'unconsecrated section' of the cemetery-
Dick Noble: Service date:11 Feb. 1883. Date of death: 8 Feb.1883. Age 6wks. Grave No 599.
Jane Noble: " " 1 Dec. 1915. " " " 26 Nov.1915. Age 69yrs. " " 471.
Robert Noble " " 18 Dec. 1895. " " " 15 Dec.1895. Age 35yrs. " " 471.
William Noble " " 7 Feb. 1912. " " " 4 Feb. 1912. Age 96yrs. " " 471.
If you think we can help further do not hesitate to ask.
Best wishes in your research.
Barbara
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Hi Barbara,
Thanks so much for this information. I had indeed forgotten that I had posted it, but as you will find on this site, it's amazing what eventually turns up!
96-year-old William was my 2xGt grandfather; Jane was his second wife. Robert was his son, who I knew had died young, but I do not yet have his death certificate (he's an "off-shoot" of my family tree, so I haven't forked up the money for him yet!). I don't know about 6-week-old Dick: Richard never married and William would have been 68 in 1883 - possibly the father, but I doubt it. I think Dick was probably unrelated.
Can you tell me in what condition grave 471 is?
Many thanks again
Tim
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Hi Tim,
It's good to get something 'out of the blue' when you had forgetten all about it - it re-kindles the interest.
I will certainly follow-up on grave 471 for you (and will also check 599 for any further hints - 'Noble' is not a well-known local name). As I said my daughter and I record MI's in Nidderdale but the weather here is so wet at the moment, and we are also busy preparing for the coming festive season, that our work has been put on hold. All being well we shall re-visit the cemetery early in 2010 so it may be some while before I get back to you but I won't forget and hopefully you will not have to wait as long again for a reply. What was your last connection with Patley Bridge? I remember a Linda Noble who lived in the nearby village of Summerbridge or Dacre and many years ago (mid 1950's) I lived at Boroughbridge, nr. York and a Miss Noble lived in our street - she was about 90yrs old then - probably no connection but I expect she would be buried at Boroughbridge.
Best wishes for Christmas.
Barbara.
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Hi Barbara,
Well, I adre the work you and your daughter (and others) do, so you well deserve to sit out the raiy weather and enjoy the festive season!
My connection with Pateley Bridge is tenuous and somewhat curious, but of some interest to anyone interested in the local history!
Old William was something of a master engineer. During his long career he worked in Norway, won an award from the King of the Belgians for work on their 1851 Great Exhibition exhibit, and worked in various parts of northern England, before settling in Pateley Bridge in the 1870's. Around that time his daughter, Sarah, married a fellow called Alfred Boyle, of Bradford, my paternal great-grandfather, whose surname I share. By the early 1880's, William was manager of the Boyle Brothers Mill at Fellbeck. For a long time I thought the name of the mill was a mere coincidence, but earlier this year I discovered that the owner of the Boyle Mill was in fact a second cousin to Alfred, William's son-in-law. I still don't know whether this is a coincidence or whether this was a family job for an elderly engineer who wanted to settle down. Later, during the early years of the 20th century, he managed the Glasshouses Mill, and retired in his 90's!
Meanwhile, I have a connection with Boroughbridge - one of Alfred Boyle's sisters (Eliza Wright) moved there in the 1890s, and their father (James Boyle)moved in with her around 1900, dying there in 1907 (but he is buried in Leeds). So those are my Boyles and Nobles, in Pateley Bridge and Boroughbridge - none of them hailing from there, but gravitating there in later life.
Cheers
Tim
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Sorry about the typing ... my keyboard seems to be cramping up! I was trying to say that I ADMIRE the work you do, and you deserve to sit out the RAINY weather!
Cheers
Tim
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I've replied twice and each time have lost it when I clicked 'post' - hope it's third time lucky - here goes!!
Well, Tim, I am intrigued by your Boyle connection! Wow!
Fellbeck Mill, an old corn mill, was adapted for hemp spinning and rope making and was worked in the 1880's by Boyle & Sons (hence Boyles Mill). My husband was postman at Fellbeck up to his retirement in 1995 and delivered mail to the Boyles family who still lived at the Old Mill House - he remembers them well and also the old rope walk still being there. I don't know what happened to the family but I do know someone who was their neighbour and who still lives in the neighbouring farm who I could speak with.
Glasshouses Mill spun flax, making linen cloth and sewing thread and was developed by the very influential Metcalfe family who also owned local breweries and quarries.Their most prestigious contract was to spin yarn for the Great Exhibition in 1851 (now there's got to be a connection with your William Noble?!) Metcalfe's continued in flax until 1898 then turned to hemp and ropemaking and in 1912 the Atkinson family bought the mill and continued making ropes, etc., till its closure in 1970. Your Boyle was manager. My late mother-in-law and her sister worked there and I know a local man who worked with Mr Boyle and could follow-up enquiries from him. I also have a friend at the Museum, who could no doubt tell me more.
AND, would you believe, there was a Boyle family living in the same street (New Row) at Boroughbridge where I grew up (yes the same street as Miss Noble previously mentioned) They were Jimmy (the name's the same?!), his wife (can't remember her name) and children Michael and Wendy - we all played together. I am still in contact with another childhood friend who actually lived next door to Miss Noble and will ask if she remembers more.
Do let me know if you want to 'put more flesh on the bones' and I will follow enquiries in the New Year.
Bet this all surprises you??!!
Best wishes,
Barbara
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Hi Barbara,
It's great to meet up with someone so knowledgeable about the local history of Pateley Bridge. All your information about the mills at Fellbeck and Glasshouses matches up with my information - but don't forget, it was William NOBLE (not Boyle) who was the manager in question. Actually, some years ago, when I was first researching him, I obtained his son Robert's birth certificate - Robert is another sharing grave 471. Robert had been born in Norway, and on the certificate it described his father's occupation as "rope maker". It seemed strange to me at the time that a lowly rope maker might have spent 3-4 years working in Norway, but I subsequently realised that he was almost certainly helping with the mechanization of a Norwegian sail making company - I think it was the Christiania Sail Company, but I cannot be sure. He was probably installing rope-making machines, so it fits if he was involved in the conversion of Metcalfe's Mill in 1898.
If there are Boyles still at Fellbeck, they probably are relations of mine, but very distant! I bet they are related to David Humphrey Boyle, a recent Grand Sheriff of Yorkshire.
However, intriguing though it is, I doubt that the Boroughbridge Boyles are related. My only relatives who relocated to Boroughbridge carried the WRIGHT surname, as it was a daughter of James Boyle and her husband. James moved to live with them in his old age, and died there.
I had planned to visit the museum at Glasshouses on my next visit to the UK (I live and work in Thailand). I was hoping there might be old photos of the mill that might include William Noble. But it's great to get so much information without having to visit! Thanks so much.
Tim
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Hello, sorry to barge in on your conversation but I really need some help and you seem like the people who might be able to help me!
My Mum is trying to search for her Fathers family history (he was adopted in about 1919 and we know very little about his birth family). We need to know about Colbeck House in Pateley Bridge. I've tried so many people but nobody seems to know anything. I even went and visited but found nothing. Do you know if it was maybe a home for unmarried mothers around the 1900s or maybe somewhere you took children when they were to be adopted. He came from quite a well-off family and I think he would of been cared for very well. We know he was there with a woman called Janet Rait Dall/Dail.
Sorry this is a bit garbled,
Thankyou for your time
Nic
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Hello Nic, Pleased to hear from someone else with P.Bridge interests. I am currently behind with other promises of help mainly due to being pretty much snown in over the past month but I will add your enquiry to my list and come back to you as soon as possible - perhaps I can find some info at the museum for you.
Best wishes, Barbara.
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Hello Barbara, thankyou so much for your reply. Hope to hear from you soon, Nic
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Hi Nic, I know nothing about Pateley Bridge, which is why I appealed for help, and Barbara kindly replied. However, from Google, I see that Colbeck House is currently the Masonic Lodge in Pateley Bridge - can't tell how long it has served in that function, although I note that the Lodge was "consecrated" in 1927, which suggests that the building probably served some other purpose in 1919.
I would imagine that if you were to contact the Free Masons, someone would know about the history of the building. Are we allowed to post phone numbers on RootsChat? Maybe not. But if you Google "Colbeck House" and "Pateley Bridge" (with the inverted commas), about the 6th return should be Masonic Halls, where there is a phone number.
All the best
Tim
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Thanks Tim, I'll get onto that
speak soon, nic
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Belated Happy New Year, Tim, We managed an afternoon at the cemetary, at last, yesterday but it wasn't very successful for your Noble reseach I'm afreaid. Unfortunately there is no memorial stone on grave 471 - I felt quite disappointed - you get quite involved even in other peoples reseach! Little Dick Noble is buried in the consecrated vault section for children - which was common practice at that time and ofcourse not marked with any stone. I have also found a record of another child who is also buried in that same section - The records state:
Child of William Noble. Service Date: 4. Apl. 1884. Date of death 00/00/00. Age: 0yrs.
Strange this is only a year after Dick - who may not be related. It's hardly likely he is the son of your William who would by 69 by 1884! Could they be sons of Jane? I thought the recorded date of death rather odd - presume it was stillborn? We did find a Noble memorial stone in the Cremated Remains Section 48 of the cemetary:
"Remembered with Love. / Ernest Peter Noble / died 25th January 1998 / Aged 76 yrs / In paradisum deducant angeli" - does this mean anything to you? For info. I checked the records and his service was held on 29th July 1998.
I saw the man who had worked with your Boyle at Glasshouses Mill last week. Unfortunately his wife is ill in hospital at the moment but he says he will try sort me some information out at soon as his life gets back to norm and he has more time. Tim, I took photo of Ernest Peter's stone and will try attach it with one also of the cemetary, it's a beautiful place to be laid to rest. Sorry haven't managed to work the attachment out but if you send my a PM with your Email I will send images that way if you wish.
Best wishes. Barbara.
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Hi Barbara,
Thanks very much for your continuing efforts. Firstly, I seem to have a lot of bad luck with memorial stones. I know my grandparents' is missing from Harehills Cemetery, Leeds, and when I managed to track down a different set of great-grandparents in Scarborough, theirs was missing too. Seems to run in the family!
I've now gone back to consult all my documents. I suspect Dick Noble, who died aged 6 weeks in 1883, might have been a grandson of William. William's son, George Edwin Noble, was living in Pateley Bridge, and had children who survived through to a census return in 1876, 1879, 1880, then 1885 - so that 5-year gap looks suggestive.
As for the baby who was probably stillborn (no birth registered for a Noble in Pateley Bridge in 1884), he might well have been a son of William, even though William was 69 at the time. His first wife had died in 1882, and he re-married to a lady 30 years his junior, so she would have been only 39 in 1884. Stranger things have happened.
I have no record of a George Ernest Noble, born around 1921, but I have not tried to trace all the Noble lines George Edwin (see above) had a son, George, so George was something of a family name - but then again, it was so common at the time, that doesn't mean much! When I have a spare moment (seemingly increasingly rare, these days), I shall see how the various Noble lines trace down through the 1901 and 1911 censuses.
Your contact with the gentleman who used to work at Boyle's mill, Glasshouses, is intriguing. I certainly look forward to whatever he might be able to provide.
Thanks so much, again
Tim
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Hi Tim, How's the reseach going? I've just returned from another interesting three days in London with my daughter - Kew and London Metropolitan Archives - my brain is still reeling - so much to search and the time just flies!! I've still not heard from our Boyle/Fellbeck/Glasshouses gentleman - I think he's having a tough time at the mo with his wife's health so we must be patient. However I was on FriendsReunited earlier (I don't do these chat sites generally but was looking for a Boroughbridge connection) I was amazed to see the Michael Boyle, son of the James Boyle of New Row, Boro'bridge, who I mentioned to you earlier. (Gosh he looks just like his father!!) Temptation got the better of me and I posted a bit of childhood memory- lane stuff to him and asked if his 'ears had been burning'(!!) mentioning your B.Bridge connection. I don't know if he will 'come back' to me or if he's interested in family history but it may be worthwhile you looking at the site, Tim. Just go to Friends Reunited (you'll have to register but it's free) If you put in 'Michael Boyle', of Ilkley, West Yorkshire, England, age over 60, click 'Search' and you should be able to scroll down the selection and find the one with Borobridge Primary School, Ripon Grammar School, and Leeds University. listed, There's a bit of chat about his family not being settled yet and how he had hoped to winter abroad, etc... (just so as you can identify him) It may be worthwhile contacting him - I have suggested he may try contact you also, through RootsChat - hope that was OK. Just thought it may be of interest and he would also remember the old Miss Noble who I told you lived down the same street. (and if she was related to him or not)
Would be interested to know if anything comes of it and will contact you again if I hear more at this end. Regards, Barbara.
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Hi Barbara,
Thanks for continuing to think about my connections! I will try to contact Michael, but it will probably have to wait a while - I am departing within the hour for the Solomon Islands, of all places! Not sure how good the internet connection will be there.
I've been travelling non-stop for over a month now, so my research has stalled somewhat.
Have to rush - all the best
Tim
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Hi Barbara
I've just found what I think are my Foggin/Sly families in Pateley in the mid to late 1700's.
Would it be too much to ask if there are any of them buried there please?
John Foggin married Ann Sly in 1787 and they had 4 girls according to the IGI.
Ann Sly's parents were James Sly and Isabel Jackson.
I will understand if they have no stones, very few of mine ever have :(
many thanks
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Hello :)
I am trying to find my granddad family in pateley bridge as far as I know that they lived there but not sure until when and their names are: Sarah A Keegan, Mary Keegan, Ellen or Nellie Keegan (ages 30 - 26 in 1911), however I have 1911 Census that they lived at low laithe working at Hemp Spinning Mills (horton or harker), my granddad was born in 1910 in Low Laithe - but birth certificate says 1 Kings Street - Pateley Bridge.
I would like any information if possible on this family — as they are sisters.
Granddad however ended up in Queensbury - not sure what year and we do not know anything of the 3 sisters.
Any information would be much appreciated.
Looking forward to any response to any history or information.
Sam
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Hi Sam,
Good luck on your research, but you would be much better to start a new thread. Only people who have already been reading this thread, or who have a special interest in Pateley Bridge monumental inscriptions, are likely to see your message on this thread, whereas a much larger audience would view a new thread.
When you log in, I would suggest you go to Yorkshire (North Riding), where you will see a button "New Topic". Posting it there is probably your best bet.
All the best
Tim
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Hello,
I was wondering if there were any inscriptions you came upon with the last name "Stoney" in Pateley Bridge. Specifically George Stoney
Thank you
Andrea
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Hi Andrea,
Welcome to RootsChat - I notice this is your first post!
Rather than appending a message on to this thread, you are better off taking either of two different approaches. The first would be to start your own thread, perhaps with the title "Looking for George STONEY in Pateley Bridge", or something like that. Alternatively, noting that it was Barbara who provided the information earlier in the thread, you can send her a personal message by clicking on her user name.
The reason both of these are better options is that people lose interest in a thread after a while - Barbara may still be viewing this thread, or she might have "unsubscribed" from it - and other people, who might have information on George, are not likely to start looking through an old thread which they have seen before and decided not to view!
Hope this helps, and best of luck finding George. By the way, if you start a new thread, try to provide some key information about George, especially dates of birth, marriage, or death - even rough ones will help people out.
Cheers
Tim
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Hi
Please does anyone know about the Grange families of Pateley Bridge. I am trying to find links between Joseph Grange who was married to Margaret Richardson and left to live in America in 1830 and Samuel Skaife Grange, as well as Joseph Grange and John who moved to Manchester. I have many Granges on my family tree and would be grateful for any inscriptions that show family relationships. I am able to access UK census images back to 1841 but am struggling for information before these dates.
My other interests are the family of Edmund Longster and Laura Hawkin.
Kind regards
Tricia
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Hi Tricia,
Welcome to RootsChat, and good luck with your research.
As I mentioned to Andrea, you will find RootsChatters Very helpful, but instead of adding to this existing thread, it is a much better idea to start your own thread. Relatively few people will read this thread, but many more will read a new thread on the Yorkshire (North Riding) page.
All the best
Tim
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Dear Tim
Thank you for your advice - I'll do that right now.
Kind regards
Tricia
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I am noticing some dialogue about the Mill at Glasshouses. I am a direct descendant of the Atkinson family that purchased the mill in the mid 1920's which was sold in 1970 and am seeking any information about that family.