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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Huntingdonshire => England => Huntingdonshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: moghouse on Friday 05 September 08 14:41 BST (UK)
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Could somebody please find me the parents of Mary Brand born 1802 in Alconbury from her baptism records. I have had no luck with her on IGI.
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That's because Alconbury baptisms haven't been extracted onto the IGI. They have been extracted onto the BVRI though, but there are no Brands in Alconbury, and no Mary Brand in Hunts c1802.
What else do you know about her?
David
Later 17.10 BST
You've mentioned the name Standen in an earlier thread. Is this Mary, wife of Henry Standen, who gives her birth as 1802 at Alconbury in censuses? I can't find a marriage of Henry Standen to a Mary - do you have it?
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I have very little info on her and that is secondhand from other members of the clan. It has inconsistencies which is why I am trying to verify now. It came to me a couple of years ago when I first traced the main Standen line.
She is Henry's wife and the detail I have is that they were married on 16th April 1824 at Caxton. she had 8 kids and died at Caxton, which is odd as Henry did not live there as far as I know! Most of the other Standens on the genealogy trails seem to be descended from Henry and Mary's children.
It's good to have the "Guvnor" on the case!
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Caxton! That explains why I can't find the marriage. That would need the transcript as it's not in any records that I've got/have access to.
But I think they did live there as I've found the following baptisms/births
1827 Mary at Caxton (Cambs FHS baptism index)
1830 Henry at Long Stow Hunts (1851 census - is this Stow Longa Hunts or Longstowe Cambs - probably the latter)
1832 Barbara at Longstowe Cambs (1861 census and Cambs FHS where parents are shown as William and Mary, which must be an error)
1834 Francis at Longstowe buried 1835 age 7 mths (Cambs FHS)
1836 Frances S at Longstowe buried 1837 age 1 (Cambs FHS
1838 William at Waresley (1851 census)
But that's only six. I don't know who the other two were, but there's room for a couple more in the early days of the marriage.
Mary seems to have died in the June quarter 1864 in St Neots registration district, which includes Waresley but not Caxton, so I'd be surprised if she were living in Caxton when she died
But this isn't helping us to find Mary Brand! As I say, there are no Brands baptised in Alconbury, and no burials there either. I've been right through Alconbury on the BVRI looking for a Mary born c1802 but there's nothing that I can see that could be mistaken for Brand
I'm stuck for ideas, unless the Brand name taken from the marriage is wrong. Have you checked it to see exactly what the entry says, and to see if the witnesses might give a clue?
But what if she were a widow? Can't see a suitable marriage either, ? Brand/Mary ? in the right area.
This is beginning to annoy me!
David
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The other two children are Abraham born 1825 and Rhoda who died in 1851 at the age of 10.
I have a death date for Mary Brand of 1871 but no evidence to back it up.I would have thought that as she was only 22 when she married Henry, she was not likely to be a widow. I have only started checking her out today so I have not seen any entries. I was surprised to see on the Cambridge surnames that Brand is one of the most common in the county.
Henry's father returned from the Battle of Waterloo to find no forge for him in his native Sussex and so moved to Hunts and finished up at Waresley, but I suspect he may have had to move about a bit first. Henry would have had to move around too but may have finished at Waresley because he took over his father's forge when he retired.
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irre was another Standen family in Hemingford Abbots, Francis born c1812 in Canterbury, who was also a blacksmith, and had a daughter Barbara. Henry's brother perhaps?
I can't see a death of a Mary Stande(o)n in 1871, just the one in 1864.
Rhoda was born and died in the June quarter 1841.
I can't find any Standen burials in Waresley (at least up to 1837) - do you know where the father died?
Whilst it would be unusual and unlucky to be a widow on remarriage at age 22 I have instances of it in my own tree, so you can't rule it out as impossible. When you're struggling you can't afford to rule out anything, however unlikely it seems.
David
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Well, I have now tried just about everything I can think of. I am contacting some other clansmen to see if they can offer a clue to work from
Henry Standen died on 19th march 1877 in Caxton, according to the info I have.
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His death at age 75 was registered in the first quarter 1877, but in St Ives registration district, which doesn't include Caxton.
Was Henry's father Elias, who was buried age 91 in Caxton registration district in the first quarter 1867?
In 1851 HO107/1758 folio 34A
Mill Hill Cottage, Gamlingay, Cambs
Elias Standen head marr 74 Farrier b Burwash Sussex (indexed on Ancestry as Chas)
Barbary Standen wife 70 laundress b Haffald? Sussex (Hartfield??)
Frances Standen dau unmarr 50 b Canterbury
William Hills Grandson unm 21 Brickmaker b Waresley Hunts
Jane Larkins servant unm 15 Servant b Everton Beds
Gamlingay was in Caxton registration district
A Barbara Standon died in Caxton registration district in the Sept quarter 1862
I can't find them in 1861 which is puzzling
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~blacksmiths/sussex-1.htm has quite a bit about the Standen blacksmiths
David
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Yes, Elias was a Sergeant Farrier at Waterloo and had come from Sussex to Waresley. You will find Standen blacksmiths all over Hunts and Cambs - they had a lot of sons.
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Finally found who I assume to be Elias and family in 1861, living in Gamlingay, but the page is torn and much of it is missing, and it doesn't seem to be on Ancestry at all (found it on my old CDrom set which was at the back of the cupboard)
RG9/1016 (rest of reference missing)
.....Standing head marr 85 Blacksmith b Berwash Sussex
.....Standing wife 78 laundress b Sussex Walsen? (partly obliterated)
.....Standing dau unmarr 50 laundress b Canterbury
.....A Larkins servant unmarr 22 (female) General servant b Gamlingay
David
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Yes, that would be right.
Barbara his wife was born in Waldron in 1783.
The children were Frances, Henry, Francis, Elizabeth, Charles and William. Charles married Susan Larkins. The three older boys became blacksmiths and Gamlingay was one of their forges (My grandfather did some of his apprenticeship there, as did a certain Mr Dickerson who you may remember)
William did not become a blacksmith, he married "posh" - Leonora Pandora Randolph, and disappeared to London.
Searching IGI, there are more Brands in Cambs than you could shake a stick at! but not in the areas I'm looking at.
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I think the answer to Mary Brand may come from the Caxton marriage entry. She was consistent in giving Alconbury as her birthplace, yet there are no Brands in the parish register. Even if the family were non-conformist and didn't baptise their children in the established church, you usually find a marriage or burial in the parish register
Leonora Penelope, not Pandora! They moved north after 1881 as in 1891 they were in Elmton, Derbys., and they ended up in Cowpen Northumberland, where they were both living in 1901, William & Penelope + daughter Barbara 38. In 1881 in Marylebone William is described as "Beyond work", and in 1861 in Marylebone as a "luster mounter"
David
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Hi,
From Caxton parish registers
Henry Standen of Arrington married Mary Brand otp 16 Apr 1824.
Wits George Smith and Benjamin Guy.
Tempsford.
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Thank you for the info, Tempsford. I knew that Abraham went to Arrington as an apprentice, but i did not know that Henry had spent time there.
David, Leonora had a string of names just like William had a string of occupations (including Warehouse manager). I have a picture of Leonora - she was one formidable lady - not one to have a blacksmith as a husband!
I knew they finished up in Cowpen (rather ironic) but I did not know about the time in Derbyshire. If I had my time again I think I might be a "Lustre mounter"!
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Still can't find Mary though!
She's not on Cambs Baptism Index, nor is she on Alconbury parish register. I'm stumped!
Tempsford - can we assume that she was a spinster on marriage? And were the witnesses "regulars" ie officials, rather than friends/relatives of the happy couple?
David
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I have been trying to trace back a Charles Brand who was raising a family in Caxton in 1841. He was the right age to be Mary's brother. This led to Brand families in Fulborn and Elsworth. The Elsworth one has a Mary in the generation before and after our Mary, so it is a possibility.
If Mary followed my mother's generation of Standens, half of them did not like their given names and used something different. My grandfather did not like the name my parents gave me - he said, "That's not a boys name, I shall call him Jim." He never called me anything else but Jim.
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Hi,
There is a cross by Mary's name but not by Henry's.
George Smith seems to be the regular witness but Benjamin Guy was the witness to only this marriage.
Tempsford.
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Charles Brand gives his birthplace as Fulbourn in 1851, and has a daughter Fanny. There's an 1808 baptism at Fulbourn of Charles, son of William and Frances. But William and Frances only appear to have married in 1807 in Bottisham, a couple of miles from Fulbourn. So I don't think that Mary and Charles were siblings
Thanks Tempsford. That marriage was not as much help as I was hoping. A Benjamin Guy married a widow Hawkins in Waresley in 1828 and may have died in 1840. It seems as though he may have been a family friend on the Standen side, rather than a relative of Mary (I don't buy the change of name because she didn't like her given name which was John!)
David
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I have pretty well run out of lines of inquiry. I have still got two requests out that have not yet been answered but I don't hold out much hope.
I have, however received a warning about trying to find out about great great grandma Mary Brand and that is I may discover that I am a close relative of either Russell or Jo. Should that happen it might be kinder of you not to tell me ::)
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I have pretty well run out of lines of inquiry. I have still got two requests out that have not yet been answered but I don't hold out much hope.
I have, however received a warning about trying to find out about great great grandma Mary Brand and that is I may discover that I am a close relative of either Russell or Jo. Should that happen it might be kinder of you not to tell me ::)
I am not sure if this help you at all, but there are some Brands from around Ely in Wentworth in the late 1700's. This is where I have traced mine too before one branch moved to Bottisham.
Regards
Ben
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I am new to Rootschat and found this STANDEN discussion.
William and Leonora STANDEN are my gt. gt. grandparents and I have been researching them since I inherited William's Christening mug and some of his lustres many years ago.
Leonora's parentage is an enigma. I'd love to see her picture.
What I have is on my website. Am I allowed to give the address.
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Welcome to Rootschat!
Yes, you can give your website address - you can also modify your profile and add it there too
Moghouse hasn't been on Rootschat in over a month. Post three messages quickly and you'll be able to send him a personal message, as he was the one with the photo of the formidable Leonora!
David
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Have you got the marriage cert of William Standen and Leonora Penelope Randolph? That will give you her father's name. In censuses she gave her birthplace as Bath
David
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Sorry, I have not been about for several months due to poor health. If Lustremounter would care to send me an e-mail address I will send a copy of Leonora's picture (You will not be disappointed!).
I do not have much information about her as she is "on the edge" of my tree and I have not got around to extending in that direction yet. I am wracking my memory (which is pretty poor these days) I seem to remember that I have seen details of her family on a web site and certainly I can put you in touch with the family member who sent me her photo.
Tony
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You will find what I have so far on William and Penelope on my website at http://www.pearson30.karoo.net
Click on the names STANDEN or RANDOLPH down the side.
My e-mail address is on there if you follow the instructions.
Thanks for replying.
Bob.