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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Surrey Lookup Requests => Surrey => England => Surrey Completed Look up Requests => Topic started by: debbiclapham on Tuesday 02 September 08 16:16 BST (UK)
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Hello,
I am looking for any information about William Bradbury, born approx 1835, Kingston area. Married / lived with Bessie Dunn (b1841 Padstow) in Croydon in 1901. Had sons James & Thomas, Bessie had children from previous marriage to Henry Brown. Unsure if Williams birth was ever registered.
Many thanks
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Civil Regn started in 1837 ....
so do you want him sought out in the early censuses, so you can establish his parents names and any siblings ?
:)
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Yes, it is his parents that I am especially interested in.
Many thanks
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No sign in 1841 Kingston area, nor more broadly in Surrey - apart from a chap born 1826, Great Bookham.
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Hi Debbie
Have you managed to follow him back through all the censuses?
Or is that the info you need?
We're good at that ;D 8)
Carol
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a bit younger, but born Kingston - interesting family !
1851 - HO107/1603; Folio: 188; Page: 20 - Kingston upon Thames (Wimbledon sub district)
Canbury Field
Sarah Bradbury Widow 46 Head Charwoman Hants, Petersfield
John Parker 24 unmarried son seaman Middx, Staines
Simon Oliver 14 son Kingston
William Bradbury 8 son Kingston
Mary Pepall 41 Unmarried sister born Kingston
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Yes ideally, I've hit a wall not knowing his parents. He is a bit of a mystery in general, as earlier mentioned I don't think his birth was registered and neither do I believe he actually married Bessie however she took his name!! So yes you could call tham an "interesting family"!!!. It is info on his parents I need to move forward.
Debbie
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1901to get us started.
9 Dartw(n)ell Road Croydon
Wm Bradbury head 66 bricklayers labourer b Kingston Surrey
Bessie Bradbury wife 60 b Padstow Cornwall
Chas Bradbury son married 30 bricklayers lab b Cardiff Sth Wales
James son 18 unm groom b Wimbledon Surrey
Thomas son 15 unm errand boy (port) b "
RG13/640 folio 145 page 9
Carol
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Sarah Bradbury was still Mrs Oliver in 1841 Kingston, altho we wont know if shes just alone or a Widow - Mr O isnt there ... John Parker is with her and her sister again now spelled Pepault
HO107/1075; Book: 3; Kingston Upon Thames; District: 10; Folio: 41; Page: 4;
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I wonder if this is the father of William seen in the 1851 ?
Theres no Oliver to Bradbury marriage in Surrey in FreeBMD tho ..
This is the only Kingston registered death of that name ..
Deaths Jun 1848
BRADBURY John Kingston v4 p165
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Heres Williams Birth .... invest £7.00 to check his mum is Sarah and see IF his dad is John .... :)
Births Jun 1842
Bradbury William B_bury Kingston v4 p193
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1891 mistranscribed as Bradbey at 16 Dickensons Lane Croydon
William Smith head 32 well borer b Yorkshire
Emily Smith wife 28 b Salisbury Wilts
William Bradbury lodger 53 gen labourer b KIngston on Thames
Betsey Bradbury lodger 50 b Padstow
James lodger 9 b Wimbledon
Tom lodger 5 b "
Betsey or Bessey lodger 7 b "
RG12/595 folio 73 page 13
Carol
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IGI
WILLIAM PRESBREY BRADBURY
Birth: 08 JUN 1842
Christening: 24 JUL 1842 Kingston Upon Thames, Surrey, England
Father: JOHN BRADBURY
Mother: SARAH
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.
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I know this chap is almost 10 years younger, but the Kingston link is tempting .....
ah - thanks Galium, IGI was next port of call.
If you're still there can you see the Pepault name in Petersfield and/or marriages to a Parker then an Oliver ?
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1861 - RG9/455; Folio: 133; Page: 18 - Kingston
Cow Leaze
William b1842 is a Labourer (Ground), still there with mum Sarah .... she's described as a House Holder born Hants, Petersfield
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So is this him with mum and a completely different wife in 1881?
Sarah BRADBURY Head Widow 77 b Petersfield, Hampshire, Beerhouse Keeper
William BRADBURY Son Mar 38 b Kingston, Surrey House Painter
Harriett BRADBURY Dau In Law Mar 37 b Hounslow, Middlesex
William BRADBURY Grd Son 18 b Kingston, Horsekeeper
Harriett BRADBURY Grd Daur 13 b Kingston
James BRADBURY Grd Son 9 Kingston
Cowleaze Greyhound , Kingston On Thames, Surrey
RG11/ 834 folio 71 page 13
Carol
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Just reached 1871 Carol, starting to wonder if its the right guy - wife Harriet vs your later findings
RG10/859; Folio: 126; Page: 28 - Kingston
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Hmmmmm - 1891, Harriett is a WIDOW in Kingston ..
1891 - RG12/610; Folio 86; Page 53
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Mmmm me too. Do you go from being a housepainter to a bricklayers lab even if you have left your wife and kids........and where's the Charles born South Wales.......or are all the kids in 1901 hers ,but not his?
Carol
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Hmmmmm - 1891, Harriett is a WIDOW in Kingston ..
1891 - RG12/610; Folio 86; Page 53
OH B****R :P
Carol
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wonder if the IGI shows the older version of our William ?
nope, and would you adam and eve it ? a gap for 1832 and 1833
C015492 1755-1831
1834-1860
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Hmmmmm - 1891, Harriett is a WIDOW in Kingston ..
1891 - RG12/610; Folio 86; Page 53
OH B****R :P
Carol
Doesn't necessarily mean she was a widow. I notice her son James is a bricklayer. (Harriet is living with James and family in 1901)
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I only said Hmmmmmmmmm - not QED ! ;)
so we need 1881 location of the older guy's 'wife' Betsey .........
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There's a christening of Sarah Pepall 1804 at Petersfield, but no marriages in Hampshire or anywhere else.
Sarah's parents are Thomas and Elizabeth. A Mary (1809) and a Maria (1812) Pepall were baptised at Kingston, daughters of Thomas and Elizabeth.
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I only said Hmmmmmmmmm - not QED ! ;)
so we need 1881 location of the older guy's 'wife' Betsey .........
What surname would anyone suggest :P
Carol
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Ahhh I've got her in 1881 watch this space
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Deaths Dec Q 1890
BRADBURY William 48 Kingston 2a 209
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lost in Wales - ah, well found Galium !
I was gonna suggest getting the Wimbledon born James Birth Cert to find Mum's maiden name ...
Births Dec 1881
BRADBURY James Kingston v2a p303
But if Carol has found her :)
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1881
At 81 Palmerstone Road Wimbledon. I think it says Brown although A*****y have corrected ::) it to read Demon :o
Bessie J Brown 39 on the parish born Padstow (can't read if she's married or widowed)
Charles W son 6 scholar b Cardiff Sth Wales
Lilly L dau 2 b Cardiff
Jane Demon(or Lemon) mother W and a ? age 63 on the parish b Padstow
RG11/831 folio 58 page 4
Carol
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Brilliant !
So Charles only 6 ! pain :P
Now we have to find what Wm the elder was calling himself in previous years !
The Browns werent that far away from the Bradburys were they !
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Gotim !
RG11/820; Folio: 28; Page: 50
He's Thomas in 1881 - same street as 1891, but with wife Ann. and a LOT of kids ???
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Oh no - cant see Ann's death, nor that of youngest child shown in 1881 - Edwin ???
Here we go again :P
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Well done Newfster..... ;)
My 8) what a lot of kids.......should that be John Thomas perhaps :P
Seriously though,either the enumerator made a mistake and copied his name down wrongly or he is really Thomas and changed it to William to make a new life?
Have to get tea now so don't have time to find Ann and the kdis in 1891- sorry!
Carol
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LOL - must be brothers ?
Thomas family - wife Ann is there in 1891 too
RG12/595; Folio 72; Page 12
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I've just found that too ;D ;D ;D
Oh well back to the drawing board.........mind you if we can find Thomas's parents and they're brothers................
Carol
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Thomas has died by 1901 ..... Ann still around.
Yes, good point Carol.
wonder if the IGI, despite gap will show a Bradbury family having kids in that period ?
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Not getting any more from the IGI to help prove if Thomas and William were brothers ... tracked Thomas back to 1861 newly married in Heston (Hounslow area), so I'd suggest getting his marriage Cert to establish his fathers name and see if that helps at all on the 1851 and 1861 census ...
Marriages Mar 1859
Bradbury Thomas Brentford Vol 3a Page 70b to Douse Ann
Hope we havent frightened you off with the ups and downs of this search !
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Blimey! You have all been busy! Thank you so much. It's all rather confusing. I know Betsey was married before to Henry Brown,neither do we don't think William was ever registered when he was born hence no birth entry anywhere and I suppose they wouldn't be able to marry if he had no birth certificate. I'm hoping one day to tie in with any decendents of their children - It's just finding them!!!!!!!
D
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Debbi hi, I need to have a good read of this thread to try to understand the full story but, in the meantime have a look at
http://www.markpepall.plus.com/p924.htm
one William Presbrey Bradbury (1842-1890), son of my husbands 3rd great grand aunt Sarah Pepall (1804-1888)
Let me know if you find anything that does not tie in with what you know about your William and I'll get back to you when I have followed this thread from the beginning.
Chris
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Had a good read and this is what I've found. We'd like to keep our William as we don't think he faked his own death and burial in 1890!
How about this lot
1841 HO107/1075/4/39 Seething Wells, Kingston, Surrey
Bradley James labourer 30 y
Mary 30 n
Thomas 8 y
William 5 n
Charles 4 y
James 1 y
1861 RG9/773/14a Lampton, Heston, Middlesex
Bradbury James Head M 51 brickmaker Egham Surrey
Mary Wife M 50 Middlesex
William son U 25 labourer brickfields Egham Surrey
James ? U 21 labourer brickfields Egham Surrey
Mary Ann dau U 17 Middlesex
1871 RG10/1312/166a Isleworth
James & Mary
1871 RG10/1312/99a Isleworth
William, wife Charlotte and children Martha8, William5 and Eliza4
1861 Jun Brentford 3a 72b BRADBURY William / BAILEY Caroline Charlotte
1881 RG11/1340/64b Hounslow
James
1881 RG11/1340/61a 1901 RG13/1185/153a
Charlotte & Eliza
Charlotte dies in 1907 Mar Brentford 3a 54 BRADBURY Charlotte (73)
and there are all the other family members in and around the area. Do you like this William?
Hope it helps
Chris