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General => Armed Forces => World War One => Topic started by: trish1120 on Tuesday 02 September 08 14:01 BST (UK)
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Hi,
Could anyone provide me with any extra info. on;
J.P. Moloney ( Chaplain) of the 2nd Leinster Reg. during WW1
He is probably the cousin of my Grandmother and need extra info to smash my brickwall on the Moloney line in Ireland. Plus I am very interested in all the WW1 men I have found in my family during my research.
I had his possible initials from a old family document, but found a ref. to him on a Rootschat posting from 2005;
Re Power from Waterford
Any help appreciated,
Trish
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Hello Trish,
I haven't been able to find a medal index card, or other info for him so far, but I'll put a direct link up to the post you mentioned, so that anyone else that wants can read the story.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/048b/
Phil
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Thanks Phil,
I am a novice at this :) so was not sure how to post link.
Trish
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Hello Trish,
I must admit I did it by guesswork :)
I've also finally got the NA medal index card search to do what I want it to do ::)
It looks like I may have found him, but the spelling is different. John Patrick Molony, OBE, MC
The medal card is on Ancestry;
There is another MIC with his Military Cross award, but that is only available from TNA at the moment.
Phil
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I assume you have found this little snippet?
Rog
http://www.aeeatough.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/StJudesWeb/Archive/archiveStJoes/priests/FrMolony.htm
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Thanks Phil,
Great Rog,
No, had not found that as did not know what the initials J.P. were- had "googled" just about every combo of the name and title I could think ::)of.
I am very greatful for all your help. Just need to prove he is mine though- but the link to Galway is pretty much the clincher 8)
Now have a Monsignor to add to the Major Generals and Majors I have in my tree- plus a couple of Privates- even found I am related to (Sir ) General M. R- - e.
All the best,
Trish ( in Sydney)
( better hit the sack now 2.30 a.m. here)
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London Gazette Online may have citation for MC somewhere? plus his commissioning etc.
Ady :)
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Thanks Ady,
Will try that tomorrow, MUST go to bed now :)
Trish
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Trish,
Here are three mentions of him in the London Gazette; look for him under Molony and Moloney, I've found both.
Issue 31570 Page 11973
29956 1850
29202 6127 (MC)
Phil
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Rev John Patrick Molony
Born 6.10.1875
Mentioned in Despatches - London Gazette 12th March 1918, 27th August 1918 and 5th June 1919.
Order of the British Empire (OBE)
Military Cross
Chaplain 4th Class from 1.10.1910 serving at Aldershot in 1914
Chaplain 3rd Class from 25.3.1920 (temp 3rd Class from 6.1.1917 to 24.3.1920
Chaplain 2nd Class from 1.1.1921 - serving with Rhine Army.
Chaplain 1st Class from 15.4.1924
War Service 1914 - 21
France and Belgium 18.8.1914 to 6.10.1915
Greece, Macedonia, Serbia, Bulgaria, European Turkey and the Islands of the Aegean Sea -/2/1916 to -/3/1916
Eastern Expeditionary Force (E.E.F.) and Mesopotamia 5.5.1918 to 31.10.1918
Persia from -/6/1919
Wounded
Medals: 1914 Star, British War Medal, Victory Medal, OBE, Military Cross
Additional info from the Handbook of the Most Excelent order of the British Empire -
Molony, Rev. John Patrick, O.B.E., M.C., Born 6th October 1875, Son of Michael Molony, Civil Service. Educated St Edward's College, Liverpool, and St Joseph's College, Upholland. Senior Chaplain and Vicar-General, Mesoptamian Expetionary Force. War Work: August 1914, to May 1915, with 2nd Cavalry Divison, France. June 1915, to September 1915, with 2nd Battalion, The Leinster Regiment, 6th Divison; September 1915, wounded; February 1916 went to Salonica, on Hospital Ship, 'Massilia'; July, 1916 on Somme with 8th Battalion, The Loyal North Lancashire Regiment; rejoined 2nd Battalion, The Leinster Regiment, September 1916; wounded at Messines, 1917; May 5th to present time in Mespotamia. Awarded Military Cross, 1915. Address: 2 Elmhurst Road, Bruce Grove, London N17.
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Thank you Liverpool Annie. ;D
Have not been able to do much today, am sick in bed with flu.
To everyone who has helped me I greatly appreciate it.
As I now know his Fathers name extra research to link his family to my Moloneys will be much easier.
Trish
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You're welcome !! :D
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Hi Trish,
If you are interested, I have two photographs of Father John Patrick Molony. One shows him in his military uniform and the other in his priest clothing. I also have photos of his father Michael Molony, his brother James Vincent Molony and his sister Mary Catherine Molony as well as printed info about the family.
Cheers,
Ed ( Perth Western Australia )
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Hi Ed,
Greetings from Sydney!
Wow. I never expected a reply like yours after all these years since my original query.
I have been away for a couple of days and will get back to you tonight when I get Home and dig out my original info.
Yes, I am very interested as I have got no further with my Moloney line.
After you make 3 posts ( as you are a new member) we can exchange email addresses through the PM System.
Trish :)
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Hi Trish,
Glad to hear from you. I guess we are distant cousins.
Michael Molony was my great grand father on my mother's side of the family. His daughter Mary Catherine
married Edward Finnegan in Belfast. He and his brothers were wine and spirit merchants in Dundee Scotland in the early 1900s. You can access this info from the Dundee postal directories which are on line. John Patrick's father, Michael Molony was a customs and excise officer who also spent some time in Dundee. If you were in the liquor trade, he would be a handy contact for the Finnegan boys.
Edward Finnegan and his brother in law James Vincent Molony came to W.A. aboard the SS Orient in 1906
and Mary Catherine and four kids followed on the RMS Ophir in 1910. J V Molony went to WW1 with the 1st AIF, first as a reinforcement at Gallipoli then was wounded at Pozieres on the Western Front and evacuated back to Australia.
Looking forward to sharing this stuff with you Trish.
Cheers,
Ed.
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Hi Ed,
Just reply to this on here and then I can PM you :)
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Hi Trish,
Ready and waiting!
Cheers,
Ed.
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Hello there,
I was interested to come across this dicsussion thread while doing some research on John Patrick Molony O.B.E., M.C.
You might like to know that the gallant Padre's medals are extant, as I own them! The medal group comprises;
- O.B.E.
- Military Cross
- 1914-15 Star
- British War Medal
- Interallied Victory Medal
- General Service Medal 1918. GV issue with clasp 'Iraq'
Attached find an image of the medal group (the forum posting restrictions on images have affected the quality of the image)
If anyone wantsa to exchange photographs / images with me, I will be happy to oblige - just ask.
As information.
Mark
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Hi Mark,
My name is Ed. I've emailed Trish a couple of photos of the padre. He was one of my mother's uncles. Would be interested in swapping details about the Molony family. I know a fair bit about them but there are a few blanks. I have photos of his father Michael, his brother Jim and sister Mary Catherine.
Look forward to hearing from you.
Cheers,
Ed
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Hi Ed,
Thanks for yours.
I have not written-up my own notes on the Padre yet, and do not have anything substantive additional to what is already on the WWW (I suspect that yourself and Trish have covered all those sources by now?) - however I might be able to answer specific questions pertaining to his medals and military service if that helps. I can also forward copies of his medal roll entries etc, as well as a better quality image of his medal group. If that helps then fire away.
If possible I would like a copy of the image you have of him in uniform - I will send you a separate PM with my email address for sending that as possible.
Considering the present day crisis in Iraq / Kurdistan, it's sobering coincidence that we are here talking about a Padre who was once the Senior Chaplain and Vicar-General, Mesopotamia Expetionary Force back in circa 1198-1920!
I look forward to hearing back from you when you can.
In the meantime best wishes.
Mark
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Hi Mark,
I must confess to finding your interest intriguing. Are you from the Spellissy side of the family? The padre's father Michael Molony married a Catherine Spellissy. He was a customs and excise officer. I would be happy to email any photos you want.
Cheers,
Ed.
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Hi Ed,
Thanks for yours - I sent you my email contact addres by Private Message (PM) yesterday, so please check your PM inbox tray for that.
I am not related to the Molony's (or Spellissy's) in any way - my interest is just with Padre John Patrick Molony O.B.E., M.C., and his military service, only because I own the recipients medals.
Best wishes.
Mark