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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Fife => Topic started by: tommacgregor on Monday 01 September 08 05:06 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I'm aware that some of my Wilkie ancestors lived and died at Kettle in Fife. I wonder whether someone could give me some details from his monumental inscriptions?
As always, I will try to give as much details as I can.
George WILKIE married Christian CRICHTON at Kennoway in Fife 18th January, 1804. That can be verified by looking at Extracted Marriage Record B.N: M114345 on the IGI.
Marion WILKIE b/chr. 9th December, 1804 at Kennoway in Fife.
James WILKIE born 16th October, 1806 at Kennoway in Fife.
George WILKIE born 5th June, 1808 at Kennoway in Fife.
Isobel WILKIE born 5th May, 1810 at Kennoway in Fife.
Christian WILKIE born 20th April, 1812 at Kennoway in Fife.
Margaret WILKIE born 16th March, 1814 at Kennoway in Fife.
Agness WILKIE chr. 19th April, 1818 at Kennoway in Fife.
Eglantine WILKIE born 15th April, 1821 at Kennoway in Fife.
According to what I see on the FFHS pre-1855 Death Index C.D.,
George Wilkie, son of George and Christian died in December, 1851.
James Wilkie, son of George and Christian died in 1842.
Christian Wilkie, M.S. Crichton, wife of George WILKIE, Snr., died on 15th March, 1854.
Did these deaths take place at Kettle, and is that where they they are buried? What other members of the family are buried there?
Best wishes to all,
Tom.
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Hello Tom,
As I have some notes on this family I thought that I might share them with you. As the notes were done in the early days of my foray into genealogy, sources were not seen as important, so the veracity of these notes could be questionable.
George WILKIE died May 3, 1873, widower of Christian CRIGHTON, he was aged 93. He was the farmer at Nottingham Farm, Kettle. His parents were James WILKIE, maltster and Isabella LITTLEJOHN. This is from the cert.
My notes - George's uncle was George WILKIE b 1736 d 1768 was the captain of the ship of war "Barlow" who served during the French War under Admiral Hosburn.
George's Father was James Marquis WILKIE b 1733, Kennoway and married Isabella LITTLEJOHN Sept 6, 1777, Kennoway.
Marion WILKIE b 1804 married David JOHNSTON and died 1883, Kennoway
James WILKIE b 1806 d 1842
George WILKIE b 1808 married Margaret GUTHRIE 1840 and died 1851
Isabel WILKIE married Alexander WALKER 1841, Kennoway
Christina WILKIE b 1812 died 1872
Agnes WILKIE b 1818 died March 9 1906, Kettle, single
Eglantine Balfour WILKIE b 1821 died May 21, 1875, Kettle, single
End of notes.
It was interesting to note that in nearly every death, the burials are all in Kennoway which may indicate a large family grave at this town
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Hello patches71,
I have had many WILKIE people in my database over the past 10 years at least - especially in Aberdour where many are related to my people.
One of the names is that of a David Johnston WILKIE.
So I'm interested to see your mention of the marriage of a WILKIE to a David JOHNSTON!
David Johnston WILKIE was b and bap 1826 in Aberdour, son of Robert WILKIE and Christian PAUL.
Regards,
JAP
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Hello JAP,
I must have thought that the WILKIE/JOHNSTONE link was important in my note taking at the time because here are some additions -
Marion JOHNSTON ms WILKIE died 1883, at Wallace Street, Kennoway, informant David JOHNSTON, widower
Their family -
David b 1833, Kennoway
Elizabeth Littlejohn b 1835, Kennoway
Christina b 1836, Kennoway
Rachel b 1838, Kennoway
George b 1841, Kennoway
James Wilkie b 1843, Kennoway
Anne b 1845, Kennoway
I don't know if David JOHNSTON (widower) links with the your David Johnston WILKIE at Aberdour. A check over my notes doesn't reveal a Robert WILKIE
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Hi patches,
I guess what struck me as a possible connexion was the birth of:
David Johnston LOCHTY, son of Robert LOCHTY & Margaret PAUL
13 Apr 1827, Eastwood, Renfrew!
Both Robert LOCHTY (b Aberdour) & Margaret PAUL were connected to my children.
Christian PAUL, mother of David Johnston WILKIE also connected on two lines.
I guess that in a little place like Aberdour, almost everyone was interconnected!!
JAP
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Hello JAP,
These JOHNSTONS' fairly get around, because you got me curious obout the David JOHNSTON who married Marion WILKIE. So, after a quick vist to SP, here's what I found -
David JOHNSTON, master mason, widower of Mary (?) WILKIE, died Oct 23, 1887, aged 84. Parents David JOHNSTON, master mason (dec) and Mary BETHUNE (dec). A flying visit to the IGI indicates that they married in Aug, 1795, Kennoway. So looks like these JOHNSTONS' didn't travel far
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Hi patches71,
Very many thanks for that useful piece of information. It's very much appreciated.
I had already done a scan of the IGI and can confirm what you are saying. I also had a look at the FFHS Death Index pre-1855 Disc, and that too confirms your findings. Typical examples:
George Wilkie, son of George Wilkie and Christian Crichton died 1851, aged 41
James Wilkie, son of George Wilkie and Christian Crichton, died 1842, aged 39.
I note the interest in David JOHNSTON and so thought that it may be of some use to others to quote what the CD states:
Elizabeth Wilkie, widow of David JOHNSTON, died 26th October, 1819, aged 73. Her abode at the time was Burnside at Kettle.
Best wishes as always,
Tom.
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Hi,
I thought it was rather nice of patches71 to confirm those details and so, I'm happy to give a bit of extra information about these Wilkie's from Kettle in Fife.
I smiled at patch71's remarks about his initial foray into genealogy and his involvement with "sources". I suppose we're all guilty of forgetting to dot all the i's and cross all the t's on the odd occasion, eh?
I was most interested when looking at my personal records to see a reference to members of the Wilkie family marrying into a family where the Surname is spelt in different ways. That family is Hugh or Heugh or other variants.
If other researchers with an interest in the Wilkie's wish to, they can retrace my steps by going onto the IGI where they will find reference to an Alexander Wilkie marrying a Jane Hugh (note the spelling!) The date of the marriage is given as 4th May, 1836.
Again, by doing a simple parent/children search you will find:
David WILKIE born 29th November, 1836 at Kettle in Fife.
Catharine WILKIE born 21st July, 1838 at Kettle in Fife.
Isabel WILKIE born 10th January, 1841 at Kettle in Fife.
William WILKIE born 28th April, 1843 at Kettle in Fife.
Alexander WILKIE born 5th July, 1846 at Kettle in Fife.
Best wishes to all,
Tom.
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Hi!
Looking at the connection between the Wilkie's and the Hugh's or Heugh's, or other variants of the Surname, the following may be of some interest to other researchers:
David WILKIE married Margaret HEUGH (note the spelling!) on 26th November, 1850 at Kettle in Fife. As I stated on my previous posting, other researchers can find details on the IGI. On this occasion, I will save you a bit of time and add that you will be looking at an Extracted Marriage Certificate of Batch No: M114356 SCN: 1040336.
Again, I did a parent/children search on the IGI and came up with the following:
James WILKIE born 12th April, 1851 at Kettle in Fife.
Allan WILKIE born 30th September, 1852 at Kettle in Fife.
William WILKIE born 2nd January, 1855 at Kettle in Fife.
David WILKIE born 30th July, 1857 at Kettle in Fife.
Robert WILKIE born 31st October, 1860 at Kettle in Fife.
Rachel Wilkie born 8th December, 1863 at Kettle in Fife.
Jean WILKIE born 25th April, 1867 at Kettle in Fife.
I'm sure that you will have noticed that some of the children are on "the right side of that 1855 barrier", and so can look forward to a bit of an improvement in the records. Futher, it is possible to track them on the various Censuses.
Again, I would be most interested to see where the final resting place of these people was, and if there are any Monumental Inscriptions.
Hope that you enjoy yourselves.
Best wishes to you and yours,
Tom.
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Tom et al, re Wilkie MI's,
there are no Wilkies listed in the book for Kingskettle but i will look through as i know there are some in other graveyards.
Diddy
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Wilkies in graveyards as follows:
Abdie 4
Collessie 2
Cults 4
Ferryport 1
Kemback 1
Kilmany 1
Newburgh 2
St Andrews 2
strathmiglo 1
I can list any / all of these if you think they may be relevant to your search.
Diddy
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Hi Diddymiller,
How nice to hear from you, and I note your interest in this topic. I don't have your experience with such matters but would simply mention that the Wilkie's and Hugh's (?Heugh's) appear to have accumulated around Kilmany and Markinch.
I have a genuine interest where members of the family were laid to rest - not just a morbid fascination, I hasten to add!
There are several people with an interest in the Wilkie/Hugh (?Heugh) connection, and it may be that I will have to make a new posting with a link connecting it to this one. That, I suppose would depend on just how much interest is generated.
Best wishes to you and yours,
Tom.
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Hello again, Diddymiller,
Our postings must have passed each other somewhere over Saudi Arabia! That's just terrific, and the area stretching from the Lomond Hills through Kettle, the little town that I remember as Ladybank, Collessie and Cults seems to be of great interest. Yup! Seems great to me, and whatever you can do with Monumental Inscriptions around the area would be greatly appreciated.
My very best wishes to that family of yours that you're so proud of.
My very best wishes,
Tom.
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Collessie
6: by Jas Cairns, s.Jas 8/1/1822 age3
2 chn d. in nonage. w.isabella Wilkie 1/5/1858 age 73
57: Wm Scott d.ladybank 17/8/1874 age 76. w.isabella Wilkie 5/10/1875 age 74. s. james d.Cupar 6/8/1841 age 10; s. Walter d. edinburgh 18/7/1869 age 40 (gmo Eliz mcMath d.Cupar 1/10/1850 age 84)
Cults
40: Rev Davud Wilkie for 38yrs minister here. b.Ratho byres midlothian d.1813 age 73. w.isabel lister 1824 age 60
41: Sir David Wilkie principal painter in ordinary in england & limner in scotland to Geo 1V, Wm 1V & Queen Victoria, b.here 18/11/1795 d.17/6/1841 bd at sea off Cape trafalgar on homeward voyage from the Holy land.
42: Capt john Wilkie of 49 reg bengal native infantry d.Dinapur 10/8/1824.
w. margt walker d.edinburgh 2/10/1828 bd.Newington cemetary there by dau.margt (w. of Maj gen Riddell (CB)) see 44
44: John Wilkie MD inspector general of hospitals d. Nynee-tal bengal 23/5/1870, Andrew Wilkie d.near melborne /7/1863, 3s of john & Margt walker & gss of Rev david W. minister here bytheir sister Margt ( w/ of maj gen Riddell)
Kilmany
63: James Murdoch, s. Andrew 180- age 2, s. Robt 1810 age 10, dau Isabella 2/8/1810 age 15; David murdoch,blacksmith moonzie, w. Eliz Wilkie 1/9/1834 age 30.
Diddy
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Hi,
Thanks for that information, Diddy. Like you, I have quite a large file on the Reverend David Wilkie as well as Sir David Wilkie, the artist. Because we're looking at Cults in Fife, I couldn't help but notice a record in my personal files about a David WILKIE born in Cults in 1785.
The first note I had was from a record submitted by a member of the LDS Church after 1991. As you would know, I would prefer to see an extracted record, and so went on to S.P. There I found a David Wilkie born 4th December, 1785 at Cults in Fife. The parents names are shown as David Wilkie and Isobel LITESTER. The dates, and the Cults location as well as the names, are quite interesting, wouldn't you agree? The name Isobel LISTER doesn't seem too far removed, does it?
The burial places may turn up a few surprises for us, I would think.
Best wishes to you and yours,
Tom.
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Hi,
I note the interest in the death places for David WILKIE's family, incidently he has a middle name of GALLOWAY and I still don't know where it originates from.
David died 1898, Little Dunkeld, Perthshire
Margaret, his wife, died 1896, Little Dunkeld, Perthshire
James b 1851, died bef. 1930, Trenton, New Jersey
Allan b 1852, died 1919, Dundee
William b 1855, died 1922, Garngadhill, Lanark
David b 1857, died 1920, Dumbarton
Robert b 1860, died 1939, Dunfermline
Jean b 1867, died 1870, Kettle
From about 1870, David is the publican at the inn at Kettlebridge, the children were being looked after, next door, by his parents-in-law, Allan and Rachel HEUGH
By the 1881 census David is a coachman
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Please excuse if I mess up (first time using this site! which was passed on to me by a fellow researcher. Any tips would be gratefully received).
My WILKIEs were from Kettle back to David WILKIE & Catherine STARK who married 1750 in Kettle.
I have a lot of event certs for WILKIEs, if I can be of any help - just shout.
Regards
JoyceH
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Hi Tom you ask for some inscriptions for WILKIE
this is from Old Kennoway Church Yard Cemetery
Kennoway Churchyard
39 This Stone has inscriptions on 3 sides
side 1 In memory of James WILKIE Maltster feuar in Kennoway
Born 1679 died 1754
Wife Margaret TODD born 1710 died 1795
Also their family George Todd Captian of the ship of war Barlow
Who served during the French war under Admiral Hosburn born 1736 died 1768
Alexander born 1738 died on board a man of war ship 1764
Side 2 In memory of George WILKIE farmer born 1780 died at
Notangham farm Kettle 1873
His wife Christina CRICHTON born 1783 died 1856
Also their Family James born 1803 died 1842
George born 1810 died 1851
Christina born 1814 died 1872
Egluntine Balfour born 1821 died 1875, erected by Agnes & Margaret WILKIE
Side 3 In memory of James WILKIE Maltster , feuar in Kennoway
Born 1732 died 1820
His wife Isabella LITTLTJOHN born 1749 died 1809
Thrie family James Wheelwright and feuar in Kennoway born 1778 died 1868
David Littlejohn born 1792 died 1799
Anna Maria born 1794 died 1817
Isabella born 1796 died 1803
Janet Herd born 1798 died 1800
Due to the difficulty to read the inscription from my photograph
I have used some of Stuart Farrells MIs
18 To the memory of Janet DUNCAN wife of Robert WILKIE
who died at Skelliehead Kennoway 7.12.1889 age 75
daughter Jane S WILKIE died at Hilton of Kirkforthar Markinch
on 9.1.1890 age 35
said Robert WILKIE died Hilton of Kirkforthar 30.3.1895 age 86
Norrie G
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Hi!
I'm thrilled to bits with the interest being shown on this subject, and greatly appreciate the wealth of detail being given.
To be fair to those people responding, I will try to simplify things by commenting on your details separately so as not to confuse matters, and to enable other researchers to pick up the details more easily.
Patches71:
Absolutely correct about David Wilkie being a coachman at the time of the 1881 Census. He is shown as being aged 54, (meaning that he would have been born c. 1827). He is shown as having been born at Cults in Fife.
His wife is shown as Margaret, (and we all know now that her Maiden Surname was Heugh or Hugh). According to the Census, she was born locally - at Collessie. Present at the time of the Census were: David, aged 23, Robert aged 20, Rachel aged 19, Margaret aged 10, and - bless her heart, Rachel HUGHES (note the spelling!) who is of course the Mother-in-Law of David.
For those of you researching this family, there is an Extracted Birth/Christening Certificte for Margaret HEUGH (?Hugh). It can be found on the IGI Batch No: C114164. Birth: 1st August, 1828 at Collessie. Parents were Allan HEUGH and Rachel Green.
Phew! That was a bit of slog so quickly after my breakfast - only kidding!
Tom.
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Hi JoyceH,
Thank you so very much for your interest in this subject, and a great big WELCOME to RootsChat.
You have taken the first step by showing your willingness to work alongside other people with similar interests. Initially, I would suggest that you keep track of what is being presented on this subject, (i.e. the Thread) and make a reply (posting) whenever you want to.
You made mention of a David Wilkie who married a Catherine Stark c.1750 at Kettle. Can you enlighten us with just a bit more information about the couple, such as, their birth-dates and birthplaces, parents and their children?
I have the feeling that we are going to be hearing quite a lot from you.
My very best wishes to you and yours,
Tom.
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Hi,
Once again we are seeing another example of Norrie G's terrific work with his camera. That really is great, Norrie, and is greatly appreciated.
The wealth of detail that you have given us confirms most of what I have, but, more important - it adds to it, and that's what I call wonderful assistance.
I will be spending quite a bit of time on what you have furnished us with, and can't wait to get back from the shopping centre this morning.
My very best wishes to you and yours, as always,
Tom.
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Please excuse if I mess up (first time using this site! which was passed on to me by a fellow researcher. Any tips would be gratefully received).
My WILKIEs were from Kettle back to David WILKIE & Catherine STARK who married 1750 in Kettle.
I have a lot of event certs for WILKIEs, if I can be of any help - just shout.
Regards
JoyceH
Hello Joyce,
A huge welcome to RootsChat.
Of course you won't "mess up". In general, RootsChat is a very warm and welcoming forum and most people are only to eager to help newcomers :)
Though, if you are already back to 1750, it sounds as though you are in a position to offer help to others rather than seeking help yourself! ;D
"My" WILKIEs were from Aberdour (none from Kettle) but nobody on RootsChat has demonstrated any connexions to them to date.
A couple of "tips"?
It's a good idea to start a "new topic" on your own particular family - that way it won't get hidden/lost in a lengthy general thread (e.g. 'MIs in Kettle' is probably unlikely to catch the attention of WILKIE or STARK researchers ... )
If you start a new thread with subject line (say) " WILKIE and STARK - Kettle", it will come to the particular attention of RootsChatters who are interested in those specific names in that area.
Another tip is that PMs (Personal Messages) can't be sent to new members immediately. So it's a good idea to make a few posts so that anyone who wants to contact you by PM with specific family info will be able to do so.
Best of luck,
JAP
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Hi!,
I did say that I couldn't wait to get back from the Shopping Centre with my wife. Since the Title of the Thread is MI for Kettle, I would like to continue with the work that has previously done on Kettle and it's strong connections to Kennoway.
Christopher WILKIE was the son of Robert WILKIE and Ann KILGOUR and there is an Extracted birth/christening record on the IGI, (B.N: C114345) that states that he was born on 5th June 1783 at Kennoway in Fife.
He married Isobel Martin on the 18th August, 1811 at Kennoway according to an Extracted marriage cert. M114345 on the IGI.
Once again though, we see the children being born at KETTLE in Fife. Other researchers may care to take a look at various Extracted birth/christening records on C.114355/6. There they will find:
Robert WILKIE born 21st July, 1812 at Kettle in Fife.
Barbara WILKIE born 31st January, 1815 at Kettle in Fife.
Alexander WILKIE born 26th December, 1821 at Kettle in Fife.
Norrie, I'm sure that you would be interested to see that Christopher was buried on the 13th January, 1840 at the age of 59. His abode was shown as Kettle. Anything in your little black book about where he was laid to rest?
Best wishes to you and yours,
Tom.
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Hi!,
Looking at the lovely photograph posted on this Thread a short time ago, plus the accompanying details with it. I am able to make further sense from it.
We were told that Robert WILKIE died 30th March, 1895 at the age of 86.His wife, Janet DUNCAN died 7th December, 1889 at the age of 75, and their daughter, Jane S. WILKIE died on 9th January, 1890 at the age of 35.
Jane SHARPE Wilkie is the daughter being referred to, and by looking at her Extracted birth/christening record on the IGI, B.N: C114346 SCN: 1040114 we can confirm that. Further we can ascertain that her sister, Janet WILKIE was born on 3rd January, 1853 at Kennoway. It would appear that Janet must have died early, because there was another birth on 21st November, 1859 at Kennoway to Robert Wilkie and his wife, Janet.
Best wishes to you and yours,
Tom.
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Hi!
I said earlier how delighted I am with the interest shown in Monumental Inscriptions - Kettle. I have had an opportunity to take a closer look at some of the information passed on to us, and feel that JoyceH may be able to assist due to her great knowledge of the Kettle area of Fife.
Diddymiller gave us a few brief details of Isabella WILKIE the wife of William SCOTT. Diddy stated that William died at Ladybank 17/8/1874 at the age of 76, and Isabella died 5/10/1875.
Initially, I did a very quick scan and found an IGI Individual Record that stated:
William SCOTT
Marriages: Isabella WILKIE
Marriage: 17th April, 1825. Cupar, Fife.
A bit later, I did a search on ScotlandsPeople and received confirmation that the above information was quite correct. The SP scan and download revealed that on 17/04/1825, William SCOTT did indeed marry Isabella WILKIE at Cupar in Fife.
However, just who was this Isabella WILKIE? Certainly, the marriage details confirm the details shown above, but don't give details of the parents, (It's pre-1855!). As Diddy mentioned, their son, James died at Cupar on 6th August, 1841 and Walter in Edinburgh on 18th July, 1869.
I'm curious to know exactly where William Scott and his wife, Isabella were buried and if there are any Monumental Inscriptions.
Again, very many thanks for your continuing support.
Tom.
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... Diddymiller gave us a few brief details of Isabella WILKIE the wife of William SCOTT. Diddy stated that William died at Ladybank 17/8/1874 at the age of 76, and Isabella died 5/10/1875.
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However, just who was this Isabella WILKIE? Certainly, the marriage details confirm the details shown above, but don't give details of the parents, (It's pre-1855!). As Diddy mentioned, their son, James died at Cupar on 6th August, 1841 and Walter in Edinburgh on 18th July, 1869.
I'm curious to know exactly where William Scott and his wife, Isabella were buried and if there are any Monumental Inscriptions. ...
As I said earlier, I have some interests in WILKIEs in the general area (though mine seem to be mainly in Aberdour and Dalgety) so I've been looking at this thread.
Diddymiller, have I missed something? My understanding is that you have already provided the Monumental Inscriptions from Collessie (possibly/probably where William & Isabella were buried) as follows:
Collessie
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57: Wm Scott d.ladybank 17/8/1874 age 76. w.isabella Wilkie 5/10/1875 age 74. s. james d.Cupar 6/8/1841 age 10; s. Walter d. edinburgh 18/7/1869 age 40 (gmo Eliz mcMath d.Cupar 1/10/1850 age 84)
Tom, as William, Isabella and Walter all died in the time of Statutory Registration, the simplest way for you to find out just who was this Isabella WILKIE, would be to download her death certificate from ScotlandsPeople - death certificates normally give the name and occupation of the father, and the name and maiden name of the mother.
However, I would suggest that a cheaper way would be to pick up on the name of the grandmother (mentioned by Diddy) and check out whether that might have been the name of Isabella's mother. That is, my suggestion would be that you do an IGI search for the birth ca 1800 of an Isabella WILKIE, mother Elizabeth MCMATH.
You will find one (in 1801 in Glasgow) - this will also give you the name of her father (James). A parent search will then reveal that there are siblings - some are extracted entries and some are submitted entries. The births were not in Fife. I won't transcribe the results from the IGI - you can easily enough do the IGI lookup yourself and, if by any chance anyone else is interested, they can do it too.
I hope that this helps.
JAP
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Hi,
As I was saying previously, I have indeed worked with the information that Diddymiller was kind enough to provide us with. Naturally enough, I ensured that I had a copy of Isabella Wilkie's Death Certificate and noted that she is shown as the widow of William Scott, a joiner. She died at a place that I know very well indeed, Ladybank, in Collessie Parish. Death occurred October 5th., 1875.
Isabella's father was James Wilkie, a baker, and her mother was Elizabeth McMath. The informant on Isabella's Death Certificate is given as her nephew, George Scott residing at Innerleith, Parish of Collessie.
I would imagine that JoyceH would be aware of these details due to her extensive knowledge of the Wilkie family who lived around the Kettle area. Diddymiller will now be able to add to the brief details that she was kind enough to furnish us with.
Best wishes to all,
Tom.
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Hi,
Another little bit of work that I have carried out due to my interest in the Wilkie family, was to take a look at Walter Scott, the son of William, a joiner/journeyman, and Isabella Wilkie.
The Death Certificate that I have for Walter shows that he died at 45 Dean Street, in Edinburgh on the 26th July, 1869 at the age of 40. The names of his parents are shown as above.
Walter's occupation was that of a cabinetmaker (journeyman) and he was married to Jane Melville. Jane was the informant on the Death Certificate which was registered on July 27th, 1869 at Edinburgh.
Once again, I'm pleased to have been able to be add a bit more information to the previous details.
Best wishes to all,
Tom.
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Hi!,
Occasionally I see a mention of the Wilkie's of other areas of Fife such as Aberdour and Dalgety, but don't really want to see this Thread overlap into those areas. After all quite a bit has already been posted about those areas and can be found on:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,298337.0.html
I would like to continue looking at KETTLE in Fife by looking at the marriage of David WILKIE and Isobel WEBSTER. According to an IGI Individual Record we can find:
Marriages: David WILKIE
Spouse: Isabell WEBSTER
Marriage: 03 January, 1795 at KETTLE, Fife.
The Source Information tells us that we can look at B/N: M114355
To find some details about their children, we can see Extracted details on the IGI's C114355 SCN: 1040336.
David WILKIE born 29th November, 1796 at KETTLE in Fife.
Margaret WILKIE born 31st May, 1798 at KETTLE in Fife.
Catherine WILKIE born 19th November, 1799 at KETTLE in Fife.
Isabella WILKIE born 2nd July, 1801 at KETTLE in Fife.
John WILKIE born 27th October, 1802 at KETTLE in Fife.
Alexander WILKIE born 30th May, 1804 at KETTLE in Fife.
Helen WILKIE born 24th May, 1806 at KETTLE in Fife.
David WILKIE born 3rd January, 1810 at KETTLE in Fife.
Again, this information should be useful in the search for Monuments in the KETTLE area of Fife and will certainly add to the bare details usually found in initial searches.
Best Wishes to all,
Tom.
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Hi Tom,
You are risking this thread being a jumble of one name study data with no coherent question or research presented. Can I ask threadds are kept simpler. That is question/answer or an"anyone connected"post to a particular family - not an entire surname population.
Thanks,
Pam
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Hi Tom
I think your ancestors the Wilkies must have been poor people
or they did not believe in putting up markers when they died.
There is no record of headstones for Wilkies in Kettle Churchyard
And I’m in the process of indexing the other cemetery in Kingskettle
But I see no WILKIEs
There are some in Cults of which you know
But nothing in Collessie, and Falkland Cemetery
And you have seen what is available in Old Kennoway
I have over 80 Wilkie Headstones in my index but not the ones
your looking for, but I will continue to check your postings
Norrie G
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Hi,
Whilst I agree that the "MI for Kettle" thread is a bit restrictive, people like myself with a lot of ancestors in this area can find a discussion about the area quite exciting. I can understand Tom introducing new names in an effort to find associated information about the HEUGH/WILKIE line. Even though this line doesn't seem to believe in leaving a gravestone for us to read, there are associated MI's. Here's one -
Elspeth HUGHES WILKIE born Sept 27, 1873, Dams, Kettle to Isabella WILKIE, daughter of John WILKIE and Elspeth HUGHES/HEUGH.
On the birth certificate, Isabella names Andrew ORFORD as the purported father.
Now, many years ago I visited the Kettle graveyard and I'm almost certain that there was a large gravestone for the ORFORD family. Maybe NorryG will be able to quote from this, to keep the spirit of the thread alive.
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Hi Patches 71
Yes I have that one, the inscription reads
29 In memory of Andrew ORFORD Merchant Kettle Bridge
who died 14.7.1892 age 44
wife Marion GIBSON died 23.10.1915 age 72
The IGI gives that Andrew Orford & Marion Gibson married 25.12.1874 Dairsie
Photograph is available
Norrie G
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Hi Guys
Isabella WILKIE who married William SCOTT was born (as far as I can find out) June 1801 in Glasgow to parents James WILKIE (a Baker) & Elizabeth McMATH.
Elizabeth McMATH died in 1/10/1850 (From FFHS pre-1855 deaths disk) aged 84 Collessie/Cupar.
Wm SCOTT's parents were Walter SCOTT (a Flesher) & Ann BRABNER (BRABENER).
That's all I know on this couple.
Regards
JoyceH
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Occasionally I see a mention of the Wilkie's of other areas of Fife such as Aberdour and Dalgety, but don't really want to see this Thread overlap into those areas. After all quite a bit has already been posted about those areas and can be found on:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,298337.0.html
I would like to continue looking at KETTLE in Fife ...
No doubt there are connexions between WILKIEs of Kettle in Fife and WILKIEs in other areas of Fife ;D
Leaving aside Aberdour and Dalgety, already this thread has ventured into deaths/MIs not only in Kettle but also including Cults, Collessie, Kennoway, Kilmany, Markinch and even other counties and overseas!
It might also be worth mentioning, Tom, that not only have you posted on WILKIEs of Aberdour/Dalgety on the thread which you mention namely:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,298337.0.html
You have also posted on WILKIEs of Aberdour/Dalgety on other threads including:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,207378.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,287142.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,302370.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,303488.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,324816.0.html
Apart from my mention on this thread, I don't see any other threads re WILKIEs of Aberdour/Dalgety apart from your own postings on the 6 threads listed above - but I could be wrong.
JAP
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Hi Patches71,
Very many thanks for your comments including the fact that you find a discussion about "the area" quite interesting. Obviously it would have been possible to name the Thread "MI for Kettle & Surrounding area", but those of us who are Fifers know the close proximity of the various towns and villages in this area of Fife and are well aware that their inhabitants, (our ancestors), sometimes married individuals from neighbouring parishes.
I do have quite a few notes about Dams in Kettle, as I'm sure you have, but wont go into detail at this point in time. However, I was most interested to read about Andrew ORFORD.
The connections between various families in this area of Fife are of great interest, and I'm really pleased that it is of similar interest to other RootsChatters.
The connection between David Wilkie, the one-time publican at Kettlebridge to the Heugh family is very interesting, and we can see quite a bit of activity with this family in the Pittenweem area of Fife. To those of us who know that Pittenweem is only about a mere 15 miles from Kettle, it would not be surprising to find quite a few M.I's around that area, including Anstruther, St Monans, Kilconquhar and Elie. Yes, we know that the Thread name is MI for Kettle, but do we seriously want to open up new Threads with connections when most of us working on the Thread are perfectly happy with the way that things are?
I look forward to hearing from you again soon.
Best wishes to you and yours,
Tom.
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Hi Norrie G.,
Again, my sincere thanks for your kindness and your continued interest in the subject matter - it's greatly appreciated.
Yes, the story behind Andrew Orford who married Marion Gibson on Christmas Day, 1874 at Dairsie in Fife is quite an interesting one, and the M.I. detail that you have given us leads us into it.
Andrew Orford, Jnr was actually a grocer from Kettle Bridge, and he was actually widowed at the time of his marriage, although he was only 26 years of age. His bride was Marion Gibson, a dressmaker, and she was aged 31 at the time of her marriage. She was a spinster.
Andrew Orford Jnr's father was Andrew Orford, a mason, and he was deceased at the time of his son's marriage. His mother was Isabella Orford, Maiden Surname, Dowie.
Marion Gibson's father was James Gibson, a Master Joiner and her mother was Euphemia Gibson, Maiden Surname Blyth.
I hope that the above will be useful for your files as well as of interest to other RootsChatters. Oh, by the way, I would love that photograph for my records!
Best wishes to you and yours,
Tom.
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Hi,
I think we should hasten to add some information about Andrew ORFORD's first marriage to allay anyones dismay at his apparent indiscretion with Isabella WILKIE -
Andrew ORFORD married Elizabeth ADAM March 4, 1870, Edinburgh. She died September 17, 1871. There was one child to this marriage, another Andrew ORFORD, born March 29, 1871, Edinburgh
So a study of the dates should show that Andrew was a single person when he met Isabella WILKIE, my notes show that Isabella was an assistant at Andrew's shop at Kettlebridge.
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Hello Joyce,
Nice to hear from you, and very many thanks for your kind contribution to this Thread. Back on the 2nd of this month Diddymiller told us that William Scott died a Ladybank 17/8/1874 at the age of 76. His wife, Isabella Wilkie died at the age of 74 on 5/10/1875. Again, let me say a great big THANK YOU to Diddy.
Although I haven't done a complete search, I did find a submitted marriage record for William and Isabella on 17th April, 1825 at Cupar which, as you most certainly know, is only about 3 or 4 miles from Ladybank. That record was submitted by a member of the LDS.
I did manage to find enough time to print out an IGI/British Isles Search Result for the children of this couple:
Elizabeth Scott born 9th October, 1827 at Cupar in Fife.
Walter Scott born 13th March, 1829 at Cupar in Fife.
Ann Scott born 4th June, 1833 at Cupar in Fife
William Scott born 24th April, 1835 at Cupar in Fife
Isabella Scott born 21st November, 1844 at Cupar in Fife.
I do hope that the above information will help you to bring your records ujp to date.
Best wishes to you and yours,
Tom.
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