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Hi :)
This is my first post here, and i've just recently started tracing my family tree. I started on my mother's side as i was lucky enough to have a great-aunt with lots of info and photo albums to get me started.
But, I would now really like to trace my father's side but unfortunately have no living relatives to ask for help. I do have some old things of my grandfather's, I'm no expert but think they are ID cards from during the war which give me his d.o.b but I have checked for birth registers but cant find anything, he was born in 1908 and lived in Liverpool and i'm pretty certain was born there too. I'm hoping to find his parents and then use the census from there.
I would really appreciate any help, also if anyone has any interest in the ID cards you might be able to tell a little bit more about them (just to add that little bit extra to my research :))
Thanks (in advance),
Lorraine
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Hi Lorraine.
You've come to the right place for help, but Im new too.
There is a section about the military and if you ask about your ID cards there, Im sure someone clever will help.
Try clicking this link
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,300.0.html
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Hi Lorraine
Welcome to Rootschat :D
Could you tell us your grandfather's name? We might be able to do some wider searches. Also do you know when he married. Getting that certificate would give his father's name.
Regards
Gadget
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Duplicate post on armed forces section
same questions been asked on there gadget
which topic shall we agree to reply on????
Suz
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Yes saw that, Suz.
I thought that maybe we could concentrate on BMD, census stuff here and the AF's would be best for the IDs etc. Maybe you could put links to each thread :-\
Gadget
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to save duplication of efforts please check here
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,324817.msg2053774.html#msg2053774
Suz
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Don't give up, it can be done. When I first started doing my father's side of the tree, all I had was an old photo of my grandfather and grandmother, and that was it. I didn't even know what their names were. Most of my early failures were due to the fact that I hadn't got a clue on what I was doing - although my father was born in 1898, I couldn't find his birth record, or find him on the 1901 census. I didn't even know exactly where my father was born - only that it was the Islington area of N London.
Eventually, with the help of several Rootschatters, I made progress. I couldn't find his birth record because I was looking in the wrong place. Although he was born in November 1898, his birth wasn't registered until early 1899, and I hadn't realised that births were recorded under the date they were recorded, and not the birth date. Eventually I found his birth entry - Southgate, 1st Quarter 1899, and from the certificate I got his father's name and his mother's maiden name. I couldn't find my father in the 1901 census because he had been entered under his middle name, and not his first name. All the information is there - you just have to find it, and that's part of the fun :)
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Thanks guys, Sorry for the confusion, I wasn't sure where to post but i'll keep the BMD here and the rest over there :-)
Ok, his name's DANIEL EVANS born 16 Dec 1908 and married Ann on 14 April 1941 . I'm not sure where he was born but am fairly certain he always lived in Liverpool.
Hope this helps, Lorraine
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Hi Lorraine
If it was December, as Nick has said, he is likely to have been registered in 1909. There's one registered in Liverpool and one in Birkenhead in the first quarter of 1909.
Do you have Ann's maiden name?
Gadget
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March q, 1909, Liverpool vol 8b page 70
March q, 1909, Birkenhead vol 8a page 573
Gadget :)
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Yes, you beat me by 4 minutes, Gadget :)
Lorraine, Gadget (probably) got this information from http://www.freebmd.org.uk
Unless you narrow down the area where he was born, you may have to take a gamble :)
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8) 8) 8)
Been doing it a long time, Nick :D
No others in the area that I can see and all the registrations are supposedly up.
I think the marriage cert might be a good idea as well, but that will need a search on the full GRO index.
Gadget
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Was Ann's maiden name Walmeley?
Marriage
Daniel Evans and a Walmeley. June q, 1941, Liverpool N, vol 8b. page 1150
Gadget
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I suppose that Lorraine can apply to the GRO with just his name, DOB, and birthplace Liverpool or Birkenhead, and they will find the right one for her ? I always apply for certificates using the entry details.
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I use the on line ordering system. I think Lorraine might well have used the GRO before because she's traced one side of the family. If not here's the ref:
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
Gadget
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Gadget,
The 1841 marriage -looking for the bride shows
Jun qtr 1941
Liverpool N
8b 1150
Ann Walmsley
married an Evans
on the image for Ann -surname looks like Walmsley???
what do you think??
Suz
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Hi Suz
I didn't look at the Ann one - wanted to check with Lorraine - I'll go and do another check now.
Gadget
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Done another check - page was blurred - it is Walmsley :)
It looks like one of those carbon copies or those films where the letters have worn through!
Gadget
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not a good copy is it?
the "s" is virtually a blob!
Glad we agree gadget
Suz
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So, it's now up to Lorraine to get the certs and find out who Daniel's father is :D
There's no point in us looking on the 1901 for an Evans in possibly Liverpool :-\
Gadget
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HI, thanks for all your input,
I dont know Ann's maiden name but i know she died Oct 1968 and her birth would be approx 1912, if that could help?
I havent used GRO or anything yet just the free sites so would i be better off getting the marriage cert? That would give me his father's name, wouldnt it, but not place of birth! Sorry if i'm asking dumb questions ::)
Thanks Gadget and Nick I searched freebmd before and was sure there wasnt his birth or close matches there. Maybe I should give my eyes a rest from time to time :P
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Death record:
Ann Evans, Dec q, Liverpool N, vol 10d, page 253
If you don't know Ann's background, the marriage cert would be the best one to buy initially. It will show both fathers' names and occupations.
Regards
Gadget
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Looking good
Birth:
Ann Walmsley, Dec q, 1912, Liverpool, v. 8b page 43.
Mother's maiden name Thompson
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Sounds promising, Thanks very much Gadget, you make it seem so easy :D
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Hi Lorraine
It might be worth you checking on FreeBMD for a Walmsley/Thompson marriage pre- Dec q 1912. Use Walmsley as it's less common that Thompson. If it's there, then you're probably well on the way to getting Ann's parents on the 1901 :)
Gadget