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I'd be grateful if someone could look up 1861 Census for Grimstone - looking for Alfred Bateson, aged 1 or 2, and his family. Thank you. - Deborah
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Hi Dimps,
Haven't found your Alfred I'm afraid. Are you sure of his birth date?? The only Bateson on the 1861 in Grimstone is this one
John Bateson Head 37 Ag lab
Sarah " Wife 39
Thomas " Son 13 Ag Lab
Susanna " Dau 10
Emma " Dau 8
William " Son 6
Elizabeth " Dau 3
Anna M " Dau 1
Robert Ringrove Son in law 19 Bricklayer journeyman
Mary Ringrove Sis in Law 37
All born in Grimstone and living ....ow Green, Grimstone
Checked back on the 1851 to see if he might have had any older children
John Bateson 26 Lab
Sarah " 28
Robert " 9
Thomas " 3
Susannah " 10mts
Mary Ringrove 25 sis in law Pauper
Again all born in Grimstone (only ones)
Robert age 9 is possibly Mary Ringroves son
Maybe Alfed hadn't popped out just yet???
Hope this might be of some help. All the best Angela.
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Thanks Angela and Teresa.
I have found some other Batesons (1881 and 1901 Censuses) living in West Ham/Canning Town at the same time as Alfred who come from Lynn, Grimston/Grinstone,Leziate North Wooton and Gayton. So I think I am on the right track. It's a shame that the 1851 Gayton Census is so difficult to read.
In the meantime, I have ordered Alfred's marriage certificate. Debbie
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Success! I have found Alfred Bateson via a very old posting on Norfolk Surnames. He was born in Grimstone in April 1858. His parents were George Bateson and Maria Bateson nee Shinn. There were lots of Shinns in Gayton.
I am now in touch with someone who shares my gg grandparents.
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Hi Dimps,
I am delighted for you. Your brick wall has come tumbling down. and you have found some cousins to boot.
Absolutely wonderful. I will check around on the 1861 around his grandparents homeplace incase they are around the area if you want. Did Alfred have any sibling? Do you know where they were born. It might help narrow things down.
Let me know if you need any further lookups I have the 1841, 1851 and 1861 so just ask ok.
Congradulations again.
Angela.
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I have been having a look at your family and trying to move it on a bit for you.
(Hope you don't mind)
I couldn't find George in 1861 or 1851 so I tried the 1881 to find an age for them and found George and Maria Bateson both 53 living at 22 young st, West Ham. George born in Leziate and Maria in Gayton.
So I tried the 1841 and the only George I could find was this one.
Mary Binch/Birch 35 Ind y
Elizabeth Bateson 15 y
George Bateson 10 y
Living in Grimstone
As you know the 1841 doesn't give relationships so don't know if this is going to be of any use to you.
Had a look in 1841 for Shinns. There is a tidy cluster of them in Gayton but sadly no Maria, there is a Mary age 12 and a Mary Ann age 1
Tried the 1851 for Maria and only came up with this.
Maria Shin unmar 24 born Gayton
George " 6 "
Elizabeth " 1 " (illigit dau)
Confusing entry again as Maria was unmarried why isn't George listed as illigit??
Could this be your Maria before she married George. Its not uncommon for couples to have kids before marriage. Perhaps George was trying to find work in London before they married and settled down??
If you want the other Shin/Shinn families I found in 1841 just let me know ok
All the best Angela.
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Thanks Anjo,
Sorry not to reply sooner - I've been tied up with another branch of my tree (based in Sussex) and have found a Bateson relative (a third cousin, I think) with whom I have been exchanging information.
I've not had a chance to check what you have found against what I have yet - but anything you do find will be most gratefully received and will be chucked into the "melting pot". Presumambly all the Batesons in that area are related somewhere along the line (and the Shinns/Shins likewise).
I have a distant relative, by marriage, in the Sussex bunch who has Lincolnshire Batesons in her family - so perhaps these are related to the Norfolk ones too.
Best wishes
Deborah
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No problem,
Its exciting when you find someone else connected to your tree. I know what its like. Hope between you you can thrash them out and get them sorted.
All the best Angela.
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I am so excited as I have only gone on this site today.
My grandfather is Alfred Bateson born Grimston 1857-1928.
I know about him from my mother(still alive).
He remarried when Julia (nee Norman)died which is my branch
I have photos etc He returned to grimston to be Landlord of the New Inn 1922.
what aspects are you interested in.
I would like to know what happened to Julia please his first wife and when she died. She worked in the jam factory I think as I am trying to find out about my grandmother whom he married/had child with before 1900 yet there was a child Robert sander bateson 1900-1901 who I dont think is my side.
What light can you throw?
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Hi LINMACK,
I am sorry for the delay of 7-odd months since your post. I have not looked at the Bateson line for a very long time, as I have been concentrating on other branches.
How exciting! I had come across the landlord of the New Inn, in passing, when I first started researching the Batesons - but put him on the backburner.
The birth of another child around 1900 might explain why Alfred and Julia seem to be living apart according to the 1901 Census.
I'll P.M.
Dimps
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Alfred Bateson married Julia Norman in Ipswich in 1877. Julia was brought up by her grandparents, William Norman (b. c1797, Woolverstone, Suffolk) and Mary Ann Madder (b. c1805 East Bergholt, Suffolk). Julia's mother was Jane Norman (b. 1841 Ipswich). Julia was born in New Cut St Peter, Ipswich in 1858. She was with her grandparents and Jane in 1861, at Station Road, Ipswich. In 1871, she was with her grandparents in Chelmondiston, Suffolk.
All of Alfred's family that I have been able to trace, so far, had moved down to Plaistow by 1881 (apart from sister Charlotte, who was a lieutenant in the Salvation Army and was living in Camberwell).
By 1901, Julia and Alfred seemed to be living separately. Julia was recorded as wife and working in a jam factory and was living with the children in North Woolwich. Alfred was recorded as single, and was boarding with Edward Rickwood and Edward's sister (and, I assume, Alfred's future wife) Elizabeth Rickwood, not far away in "Tidal Basin".
Back in Grimston, in 1871 and 1861, the Bateson family (Alfred and his siblings, plus parents George Bateson and Maria nee Shinn) were living under the surname Birch/Burch! They married (under the name of Bateson) in 1851. Their children were registered as Bateson. See Anjo's reply above (5.2.05).
In 1851, Maria was single, and in Gayton Workhouse with two illegitimate children: George (aged 6) and Elizabeth (aged 1). I have found the birth in the Freebridge Lynn R.D. of Maria Elizabeth Batesend Shinn (March Q 1850). The birth of a George Shinn was registered in Freebridge Lynn in the June Q of 1844.
I'm supposed to be doing the shopping, so I'll add references later.
Dimps
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Here are the promised references.
1901 Census.
RG13/1607/62/29
52 Claremont St, North Woolwich
Julia is here, aged 45, a packer in a jam factory. She is recorded as married and wife. Children, Maud (10), Alfred (7) and Rose (4) were all born in North Woolwich.
RG13/1579/41/19
44 Chapel Street, Tidal Basin, Canning Town
Edward Rickwood, Head, Single, 32, General Labourer, b. Essex West Ham
Elizabeth Rickwood, Sister, Single, 30 b. do do
Clifford Wallace, Nephew, Single, 4, b. do do
Alfred Bateson, Boarder, Single, 40, General Labourer, b. Norfolk Grimstone
1891 Census
RG12/1323/27/48
137 New Barn Street, Canning Town
(occupying three rooms, thereof - there was another family, of 7, occupying the other three rooms)
Alfred Bateson, Head, M, 32, General Labourer, b. Norfolk Grimstone
Julia M do, Wife, M, 32, b. Suffolk Ipswich
Edith G do, Daur, 8, b. Canning Town
Mabel F do, Daur, 4, do
Maude do, Daur, 1, do
I have found Edward Rickwood and family (but not Elizabeth) in 1891 - still at 44 Chapel St - do you want the details? Do you know the whereabout of Elizabeth Rickwood in 1891?
1881 Census
RG11/1713/54/85
15 Wilberforce St, Plaistow
(One of two families in the house)
Alfred Bateson, Head, M. 22, Carpenter's Labourer, b. Norfolk Grimstone
Julia Bateson, Wife, M, 22, b. Suffolk Ipswich
More tomorrow.
Dimps
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Linmack,
I think I may have found the death registration for Julia:
Dec Qtr 1912 Bateson, Julia M. A. Age 55 RD Whitechapel Vol 1c Page 401
Dimps
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1871 Census
RG10, Piece 1859, Folio 123, Page 8
Golston(?), Grimston
George Birch, Head, 42, Ag Lab, b. Norfolk Leziate
Maria do, Wife, 42, b. do Gayton
John do, Son, 18, Ag Lab. b. do Grimston
Matthew do, Son, 16, do do, b. do do
Alfred do, Son, 13, do do, b. do do
Charlotte do, Daur, 9, Scholar, b. do do
Maria do, do, 7, do, b. do do
Emily do, do, 4, b. do do
Dimps
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1861 Census
Rg9, Piece 1251, Folio 132, Page 6
Potrow Road, Grimstone
George Birch, Head, 32, Ag lab, b. Grimstone Norfolk
Maria do, Wife, 32, b. Gayton do
George do, Son, 18 , Ag Lab, b. do do
Elizth do, Daur, 11, b. Grimstone do
John do, Son, 8, b, do
Matthew do, Son, 5, b. do
Alfred do, Son, 3, b. do
Dimps
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1851 Census
HO107, Piece 1828, Folio 211, Pages 25/26
Freebridge Lynn (Gayton) Workhouse
Maria Shinn, Unmarried, 24, b. Gayton
George Shinn, Illegitimate, 6, b. Gayton
Elizabeth Shinn, Illegitimate, 1, Pauper, b. Gayton
HO107, Piece 1828, Folio 149 Page 2
Grimstone
Schedule 6
Maria Burch, Head, Widow, 45, Shoebinder, b. Norfolk Grimstone
Robert Bulding, Lodger, Unm, 27, Carpenter, b. do do
Schedule 7 (ie. next door)
William Fox, Head, Mar, 44, Shoemaker, b. do do
Sarah Ann do, Wife, 40, b. do Mumford
Mary Ann do, Daur, 14, Scholar, b. do Grimstone
Jane do, Daur, 8, do, b. do do
Caroline do, do, 6, b. do do
John do, Son, 4, b. do do
Emma do, Daur, 1, b. do do
George Burch, Lodger, Unmarried, 23, Agricultural Labourer, b. do do
Dimps
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Maria Shinn and George Bateson married soon after - on 15th September 1851. Curiously, George's surname was recorded as Beateson (Vol. 13, Page 215) and a father's name and trade were recorded. This was corrected on 16th July 1891 - the spelling was changed to Bateson and the father's name and trade deleted "as G.B. was illegitimate and took his mothers name." The name George Bateson has been squeezed into the marriage index (presumably in 1891) in Vol. 13, Page 214a. Maria's father was recorded as Warner Shinn, Labourer.
Dimps
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Back to George's mum, ten years later:
1861 Census
RG9, Piece 1251, Folio 118, Page 2
Potrow Road, Grimston
Robert Balding, Head, Unm, 40, Carpenter, b. Grimston Norfolk
Maria Birch, Unm, 50, Housekeeper, b. do do (no relationship to head given).
Dimps
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1841 Census
HO107/768, Schedule 14, Page 4
Grimstone
Maria Birch, 35, Ind
Elizabeth Batson, 15
George Do, 10
William Joftly(?), 20, Ag Lab
Pheobe Do, 20
Mary Mann, 2
All born in Norfolk
HO107/768, Schedule 11, Page 23
Gayton
Warner Shinn, 35, Ag Lab
Maria Do, 17
Charlotte Do, 13
Mary Do, 12
Emily Do, 11
Roseanna Do, 7
Martha Do, 2
William Do, 1
All born in Norfolk.
The IGI has the christening of Maria Shin, in Gayton on 22nd August 1824 - parents Warner Shin and Charlotte. This makes her older than as recorded in censuses from 1851.
Dimps
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1851 Census
HO107, Piece 1828, Folio 211, Pages 25/26
Freebridge Lynn (Gayton) Workhouse
Maria Shinn, Unmarried, 24, b. Gayton
George Shinn, Illegitimate, 6, b. Gayton
Elizabeth Shinn, Illegitimate, 1, Pauper, b. Gayton
It looks like Mary Elizabeth Shinn may have been baptised on 20th Jan 1850 and George Shinn on 19th May 1844 - http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~tinstaafl/Church_Pages/gayton_workhouse.htm
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I am so excited as I have only gone on this site today.
My grandfather is Alfred Bateson born Grimston 1857-1928.
I know about him from my mother(still alive).
He remarried when Julia (nee Norman)died which is my branch
I have photos etc He returned to grimston to be Landlord of the New Inn 1922.
what aspects are you interested in.
I would like to know what happened to Julia please his first wife and when she died. She worked in the jam factory I think as I am trying to find out about my grandmother whom he married/had child with before 1900 yet there was a child Robert sander bateson 1900-1901 who I dont think is my side.
What light can you throw?
LINMACK, I note that you have viewed my posts, so I'd love to hear from you.
Dimps ;D
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Warner Shinn married Charlotte Bulman in Gayton in 1822 ("with cons. of their parents being minors"). Warner Shinn married Elizabeth Bland, the widow next door, in the March quarter of 1846 (Freebridge Lynn Vol 13 Page 275).
Dimps
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sorry to be slow in picking up but working long hours and I have not had time for ages to put anything together hopefully will get something together next month! Wow you have been busy!
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Brilliant! I look forward to hearing from you.
(A very happy) Dimps