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Hi there,
I am following the family of Roberts who where baptised, married and often buried at St Mary the Virgin, Dover, Kent.
Could some one please do a lookup for me in 1841 census for the following family:
John Roberts B1766
Elizabeth, his wife
children: Charles Wade Roberts B1808 Dover
August Sophia Roberts B1811 Dover (marr 1834 to Andrew Philip Gobert)
Rosina Mathilda Roberts B1816 Dover
Edward James Roberts B1818 Dover
George Henry Roberts B1813.
Many thanks
Kind regards
Jackie
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Rosina Matilda ROBERTS of Buckland nr Dover, spinster, aged 22 to marry Daniel RALPH of St Mary Dover, widower at Buckland. Licence to marry granted 1 Jun 1836.
1841 - Biggin St, Dover St Mary
Daniel RALPH 35 whitesmith born Kent?
Rosina 25 b.Kent
Sarah 15 b.Kent
Ann 15 b.Kent
Daniel 12 b.Kent
Jane 11 b.Kent
John 4 b.Kent
William 2 b.Kent
Edward 7m b.Kent
HO107/494 folio 48 page 12
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1851 - 20 High St, Charlton nr Dover, Kent
Rosina M RALPH head wid 31 proprietor of houses b.Upper Deal, Kent
John F? son 13 b.Ewell Kent
William son 11 b.Ewell Kent
Edward son 9 b.Dover
George C son 8 b.Dover
Rosina M dau 6 b.Dover
Charles W son 4 b.Dover
Amelia HANCY? servant unm 26 general servant b.London Middlesex
HO107/1632 folio 112 page 5
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Phillip GOBERT engineer and August GOBERT his wife both aged 22 and belonging to Calais arrived in New York 17 Oct 1834 aboard the "Mariposa" from London.
I couldn't immediately identify any of the ROBERTS boys in the census :-\
Casalguidi :)
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Hi there,
This is wonderful. Thank you so much. How on earth did you find that passenger list to New York?
Regards
Jackie
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I think this is Charles Wade ROBERTS and his family in 1851 ...........the ages would coincide with their baptisms on the IGI http://www.familysearch.org at Dover St Mary.
1851 - Gloucester Terrace, Robin Hood Lane, Bromley St Leonard, Middlesex
Charles Waid ROBERTS head mar 46 master mariner b.something crossed out and overwritten with Yorkshire
Sarah Ann wife 36 b.Kent/Yorkshire?
Charles Waid son 15 apprentice to sea b.(Kent/Middlesex? - can't make it out)
Sarah Ann dau 13 b.Kent/Middlesex? - can't make it out)
Rosina dau 10 b.Middlesex
HO107/1555 folio 253 page 3
The birthplaces are such a muddle with them being written and then overwritten with something else :-\
If you google "Charles Waid ROBERTS" there are a number of references on the web from various enquirers about him ............ perhaps you already know this but just in case. It looks like he and Sarah went to Australia (1853?) which would explain why I couldn't find them in a later census ;)
Casalguidi :)
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you are a STAR!!!!
Thank you so very much.
I know that Charles was a Captain to ss columbine, but cannot find his voyage date. So this fits in with his occupation on the census:)
According to south african records, his brother George came on the same ship with him as a mate, and settled in Port Elizabeth where he married in 1843.
I have been trying to find out which year the two brothers came to south africa. Only found one voyage in 1841 to Australia, via South Africa on Columbine, but it does not give names. Trying to eliminate when they were in UK.
From what i can work out, Charles and George took a voyage to Australia, with George hopping off in South Africa and staying and Charles going on to Australia.
In this family there are so many Charles Wade/Waid's that it is scary. Every generation it pops up in most branches. See the Ralph family... Charles Waid Ralph B1846. And it is not limited to a country either. They are in USA and SA and Australia.
I really appreciate what you have found
Regards
Jackie
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Hi Jackie
As a master mariner, I would expect John Waid ROBERTS to have had some kind of certification see the following research leaflet for master mariners
http://www.rootschat.com/links/047q/
These records would be at the National Archives, Kew, London so, unfortunately, would require a visit or for somebody to go on your behalf.
What is your source for knowing that he was capain of the SS Columbine?
Casalguidi :)
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Hi there,
A family member did some research while in the UK. He states "The 2nd born was Charles Wade Roberts who was a Master Mariner and Captain of S.S. Columbine which arrived at Port Elizabeth and George Henry my G/Grandfather took passage out to South Africa as a Mate on this ship in 1842."
I obviously cannot say that this is 100% accurate, as there were no sources quoted. However, we do know that this Roberts family were very heavily involved in the Royal Navy throughout their lives, so it would be a good possibility.
I suppose, that i cannot trace Charles anymore now without having more information on his Naval career or sea life.
Regards
Jackie
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Hi Jackie
If you search the London Gazette for (exact) Waid Roberts, you will find several articles (bankruptcy/debtors?) relating to Charles
http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/AdvancedSearch.aspx?geotype=London
There are lots of references to him and his family in Australia (with some resources) which could be useful http://www.roots-boots.net/ft/t-eastes.txt - looks like his parents in law emigrated to Port Elizabeth, South Africa ;)
Casalguidi :)
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Hi again,
I wonder if he was sent to Australia ? Very interesting reading, thank you.
I have kept the website address or all those descendants and will go through it slowly.
I really appreciate all you have done for me.
Regards
Jackie
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Hi Jackie
I have a George Roberts that I am looking for more info on. He had a daughter Emily who married a Edwin Henry Thompson in Lamberhurst, Kent in Nov 1873. If it is the same person George would be my 3*G Grandfather.
The ages might fit in with the George you have (at a push) but it was only through his great granddaughter (my grandmother) that the first references to South Africa appear (that I know of).
Thanks
Glenn
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Hi Glenn,
I looked through my branches, and no Emily is found. George did not have an Emily that i know of.
Could you give me a date of birth for George and for Emily so i can double check.
Kind regards
Jackie
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Hi Jackie
Thanks for the reply.
I got George's name as father off Emily's marriage certificate where she married Edwin Henry Thompson on 18/11/1873. At that date she was of "full age" so was born before 1852.
Unfortunately that is all I have at the moment.
Regards
Glenn
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Have just joined this site and am facinated by the info that is forthcoming !!
I also have an interest in the Roberts family , my Great Grandmother was Lucy Ann Roberts brn 1848 to James Roberts and Matilda Roots , don't have much on this family so would appreciate it if some one can help out , Lucy had a sister Mary Ann brn 1843 and a brother George 1842.
I have several photos of lucy
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Hi Bonzadel, yes this site is very fascinating and lots of members who are very helpfull too.
My 3 * g/grandfather George Roberts was born in 1825, his eldest son, also George, was born in 1854. There was no Lucy listed as any of his daughter so there is nothing common at that point.
Good luck with your research.
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Thank you for your reply , I also have 2 George's in my tree but don't match your dob 's 1842 & 1869 respectivly.