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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Stirlingshire => Topic started by: McCann on Friday 29 August 08 19:51 BST (UK)
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I am looking for a death entry on SP for Mary McFarlane (McFarlen). She was in Kippen, Stirlingshire during the 1861 census at age 64 (she was also listed in Kippen in 1841 and 1851). So I am looking for her death in Stirling.
There are a few possible entries and before I spend the time and money searching all, I would like to get an opinion on the best place to start, perhaps the closest place to Kippen. The possibilities are: Kilsyth, Stirling, Campsie, Buchanan, Falkirk Burgh, Balfron, and Bannockburn.
Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thank you.
McCann
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hi,
i am trying to find info on a peter mcfarlane born buchlyvie 1876, his mother was jane campbell but there is no info on his father. could this be a relation?
Kim
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Hi McCann,
Did you ever find Mary's Death certificate?
By doing a free search on Scotland's People, and entering the search criteria as follows:
Surname: M*cfarlan*
Forename: Mary
Uncheck the 'All Forenames beginning with same characters
Other Surnames: Blank
Mother's Maiden name: Blank
Check Unrecorded mother's name
Sex: Female
Year Range 1861 - 1891
Age Range 64 - 95
Birth Year: 1797 +/- 5 years
County/City/Minor Records: Stirling
District: Kippen
There is only one death of a Mary M*cFarlan*
I don't have any SP Credits at the moment to have a look at the certificate, but I would imagine it would be worth downloading!
Anne
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Hi Kim,
I had a look at the 1881 Cencus and that confirms the info you already have.
Living at Street House, Kippen
Jane Campbell, Head, Unmarried, Age 40, No Occupation, Born Buchlyvie
Peter McFarlane, Son, Age 5, Scholar, born Buchlyvie.
Anne
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kimby392:
I dont know if there is a relation for certain, but I do have Peters in the line. However, I dont have much on McFarlane. Mary McFarlane has children with James McArthur (but his d.c. says unmarried). They have a son Peter, but he took the name McArthur and so on down the line. I dont have anything on Mary McFarlane's parents. However, I am told by RC members that Kippen was quite a small place back then and so the likelihood that there is a connection is pretty great.
I'll let you know if I come up with any additional information on Mary or her parents, siblings, etc.
Also,a while ago I came across the Balfron Heritage site and mentioned to the secretary my family names, McFarlane, McArthur and McLean. She helped me find a McLean and said that all of those names exist still in the area today. Her name is Pat Thomson, the Balfron Heritage Society, her email was info {--at--} balfronheritage.org.uk. Its worth a look. Perhaps she has some family info for you. Let me know how you do.
Anne: No, I did not find her death certificate yet and am also out of credits. But next time I'm on SP I will certainly do that search and order the result. I'll let you all know how it goes. Thank you for the info and interest.
All the best.
McCann
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hi every one, thank for the help, i have emailed the balfron heritage group and they are doing a search for me, i live in buchlyvie the village next to kippen and balfron so i might just head over and have a look. i have just found in that peter (illigitemate) was born 1875 mother jane, in 1881 age 4 he was staying with a family called cumming in dunblane he was the stepson born buchlyvie, and again in 1881 aged 5 he was back in buchlyvie mother jane. Peter died 1969 aged 93. still no news on the father, jane also had a john and jane morrison (father unknown) and a benjamin downie(father unknown) but in the kippen register they are all called campbell.
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thanks again
kim
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Kim:
I have quite a few family members who are from either Kippen or Buchlyvie. Perhaps you can keep them in mind when doing your own search - maybe we will find a connection; or if you have extra time and can do a search for me I would greatly appreciate it.
1. John McLean (gg gf): All info says he was born in "Kippen, Buchlyvie, Stirlingshire" in 1852-1854, but I have been unable to find his birth certificate. (Parents are Alexander and Jane/t).
2. Alexander McLean (John's father) was born in Balfron in 1818-1820, but I have been unable to find his birth certificate. His mother was Catherine McLean, but fater is unknown.
3. Jane/t McArthur (John's mother) was born in Balfron 1816-1818, but again I cannot find her birth certificate. Her parents were James McArthur and Mary McFarlane (which we already discussed).
4. James McArthur was born in Kippen in 1791 and died in Kippen on August 22,1866. I have these entries. Again it says he was unmarried at death but he had children with Mary McFarlane. His parents were John McArthur and Ann Yuille.
5. Mary McFarlane was born in Lanark in around 1791-1797, but I have her in Kippen cenus info in 1841-1861. Other names in the household were McLean, Johnston and Marrdwie. She likely died in Kippen between 1861 and 1889 but I have been unable to find her death entry. Perhaps if I can find her death entry, we will be able to connect to your Peter McFarlane eventually.
I'm sorry to bombard you with all of that information, but the idea that you live in Buchlyvie and are near to Kippen is exciting to me, especially considering that the towns were relatively small back then. What is it like where you live?
Regards.
McCann
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Anne:
By the way, I did check that search. I had actually already purchased that entry. I previously discounted it because it had Mary McFarlane, maiden name McDonald - widow of Andrew McFarlane so I didn't think it could be her. But if Andrew was her first husband and James McArthur was her "unmarried second husband" with whom she had her children it could still be possble. Does that sound right? or am I over-thinking it?
But... I have a list of 7 other Mary's (McFarlane) that can still work - so I am back at a stand still I think.
Once again, thank you for your input and makig me think twice.
McCann
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Hi McCann
I have been looking for the connection with the McLean's and the Given/Govan's
I have came across another couple of marriages for the Given family were
the witness was a McLean once I sort them I will send them to you
I dont know if you have found these
children for Alexander McLean and Jane McArthur on IGI
Mary McLean 5th Nov 1856 Clyde Glasgow
Donald McLean 11th April 1859 Anderston Glasgow
Donald McLean 1st Feb 1864 Tradeston
can't see Janet born to them
Elaine
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McCann - this was the only Mary to die in Kippen, that's why I though it would be too much of a co-incidence not to be the right one.
Where was she stated as living and who was the informant on her DC - any clues there?
Anne
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hi, I done a couple of census searched for you and this is what i found dont know if they are of any use:
1841
Mary McFarlane age 45 born 1796 lanark census lanark parish
John McFarlane age 40 born 1801 lanark
Alex McFarlane age 15 born 1826 England
Elizabeth McFarlane age 15 born 1826 Lanark
Mary McFarlane age 9 born 1832 Lanark
1851
Mary McFarlane age 55 born 1796 Lanark Census Kippen
Jannet Johnston age 14 born 1827 greatgrandchild born buchlyvie
1861
Mary McFarlane age 64 born 1797 Lanark Census Kippen
Alexander McLean 10 born 1851 Kippen Grandson
Mary McLean age 6 born 1855 Kippen granddaughter
1861
John McLean age 9 born 1852 Kippen son
Janet McLean age 44 born 1817 Aberfoyle
Alexander McLean age 42 born 1819 Balfron
1851
Alexander McLean age 32 born 1819 Balforn
Alexander McLean age 1 born 1850 Buchlyvie son
James McLean age 3 born 1848 Stirling son
Jannet McLean age 36 born 1815 Aberfoyle wife
Peter McLean age 6 born 1845 Buchlyvie son
1861
Jannet McLean age 44 born 1817 Aberfoyle Wife
Alexander McLean age 42 born 1819 Balfron Head
John McLean age 9 born 1852 Kippen son
1881
Jannet McLean age 67 born 1814 Aberfoyle Mother
Alexander McLean age 30 born 1851 Kippen Head
Annie McLean age 30 born 1851 Abernethy Wife
Kim
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Elaine:
Its so nice to hear from you. I hope you are well.
Actually, I have that Alexander and Jane had the following children - Peter 1845, James 1848, Alexander 1840, John 1852 and Mary 1854. This information is from 1851 and 1861 census information (I think maybe supplied by Ambly - I'm not certain without looking).
Once again, I'm a little confused and have to look into it all further. As always, I appreciate your interest and information.
Let me know about that McLean witness. We'll figure it our one day.
All the best!
McCann
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Anne:
I know. You're right. It sounds like it should definitely be her. When I ordered the entry it was listed as Balfron, but the entry was as I wrote.
Anyway, I dont have a birth or death entry for her, and in James McAthurs' death entry he was listed as unmarried. What I do have are census entries: 1841 @ Buchlyvie, Kippen - Mary McFarlen, 50, not born Stirling. 1851 @ Kippen - Mary McFarlane, 55, born Glasgow. 1861 - Mary McFarlane, 64, born Glasgow. (Again, these were all provided by an RC member). I assumed that she died in Kippen because of the history of census entries and that she had grandchildren living with her each year.
And that's all I have thus far. Perhaps I should order one or all of these years to verify and maybe see if there is more information to be had...
Thanks again, Anne.
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Kim:
Thank you so much for all of that information! I really appreciate all of the time and effort.
I'll go through it all and see what we have here. First, I see a problem with my 1841 census information. I have Mary McFarlen at age 50 (your 45 makes more sense with following census info). However, my 1841 census has her with Janet Johnston, age 4, who also appears in your 1851 census. Hmmm. This may take a little thought. I'll get back to you once I take a closer look.
Thanks again, Kim.
All the best!
McCann
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Kim:
In the 1841 census, by any chance does it list relationships?
It appears to suggest that Mary McFarlane, 45, and John McFarlane, 40, are married.
That throws another monkey wrench into the picture. Still looking...
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All the rest of the census information seems to match what I have. Its that 1841 census that confuses me. I dont know what to go by. The names in the 1841 census you provided match names further down in the family. But then there is the 1841 census with Janet Johnston who appears again in the 1851. And if I order the entry fro SP - what do I order and how do I know which is correct? Any suggestions?
Regards.
McCann
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hi,
no it did list relationships in the 1841 census. it does look as if they were married. i will keep looking for you .
kim
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hi i ment to say it did not list the relationships sorry.
Kim
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Thank you Kim. I'll let you know if I come up with anymore info that will shed light on this family.
All the best!
McCann
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If anyone is still viewing this, can you check if either of the the 1841 census or the 1851 census provide an address for Mary McFarlen/McFarlane?
In my 1861 census, she is listed at living at #11________, Kippen, Stirlingshire. This is the only census I am certain of, so if I can get addresses to match (or even just the number), I can go from there.
Thank you.
McCann
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If anyone is still viewing this, can you check if either of the the 1841 census or the 1851 census provide an address for Mary McFarlen/McFarlane?
In my 1861 census, she is listed at living at #11________, Kippen, Stirlingshire. This is the only census I am certain of, so if I can get addresses to match (or even just the number), I can go from there.
Thank you.
McCann