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Hi
I have Fanny (bapt Hannah) HAWES and Charles HAWES on the 1881 census living in Sutton St Mary, Lincs.
I've been unable to find their marriage so wonder if sks could check the 1861 and 1871 census to see if they are together then.
Hannah was born East Dereham Norfolk 1838
Charles born Long Sutton, Lincs c1829
There's a son, Thomas Samuel Hawes age 12 b Long Sutton on the 1881 who should be on 1871.
Many thanks for any help
Sue
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1871, Long Sutton, RG10/3328/46/12
Charles Hawes ( wrongly transcribed as Hama by ancestry), 40, ag lab, Long Sutton
Hannah, 34, wife, Norfolk, East Dereham
John William,son, 12 - Lincoln, Long Sutton
Levi,son, 10 "
Phillip Rebecca (that's what it looks like!) dau, 7, "
Thomas Samuel, son, 2, Long Sutton
Jen
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Hi
Thank you so much for that. Brought another puzzle out though ::)
I actually found a Robert Hawes with wife Hannah and they had John W 2years and Lewis 2 months on the 1861. Question is, was Robert really Charles or did Robert die and she then married his brother!!!! Trouble is I still can't find a marriage nor a possible Robert Hawes death.
Ah well, on with the search :)
Thanks again, most appreciated
Sue
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1861/ Little London, Long Sutton
Robert Hawes, 25, ag lab, Long Sutton
Hannah, wife, 26, Norfolk, Market Dereham
John William, son 2, Long Sutton
Lewis, son, 2months " "
Caroline Stanhope, visitor,34, Servant, Sutton St. Nicholas,( otherwise Sutton)
Mary J Stanhope, 1 visitor, Holbeach
Odd that Charles is now called Robert but it looks like the same family. What I read as Levi in '71 is definitely Lewis in '61. The birthplace of Caroline Stanhope is as it is written, or at least, as I have read it)
Jen
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Sue, this entry also included in the Hawes household, was on the next page, 1871.
Harriett Hardy 32 unm Visitor East Dereham Norfolk Relief (Blind)
Just in case she turns out to be a rellie, never know.......
Cazay
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Sorry, I missed the second page, so didn't see Harriett Hardy.
I have been trawling through FreeBMD and can find no marriages for either Robert or Charles Hawes with a spouse named Hannah.
You might find that you will have to send for the birth certificate of the eldest child, which will give you his mother's maiden name.
I'll have another try.
Jen
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Birth record:
Holbeach, Dec 1858/7a/298
Hawes - John William
Might be useful.
Jen
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Hi Jen
Thank you again. :) Having Harriet with them proves (to me) that it's the right family. Her maiden name was Hannah Hardy.
Cazay, Yes, Harriet was Hannahs' sister, both my 2x Gt Aunts. Harriet was born blind and lived all her life with Hannah and Charles after their marriage.
As to why Robert/Charles changed names, I have a couple of mine in this family doing that. Maybe they preferred the name they chose, who knows. Just makes things even harder for us lol.
Thanks again for your help
Sue
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Holbeach/Dec 1857/7a/69(85)
Hawes, Charles Robert
No spouse available. hang on whilst I check by a different route.
Jen
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A quick question. I just realised that it says East Dereham Norfolk Relief for Harriet. Would the Relief bit mean she was on Parish Relief,only I've not seen that on any other census for her? I just assumed that her family cared for her.
Sue
ps Brilliant Jen, and that explains the name change too. You're a star :)
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Not sure about the parish relief question, sorry.
I have just had a look at the original image for the marriages of all Hannah Hardys in Dec 1857. There are three entries under that name but it is extremely unclear and I can't tell whether or not any of them match up with the one for Charles Robert Hawes in Holbeach.
Guess it's money time if you really want the answer but my bet is on that marriage in Holbeach!
Cheers,
Jen
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Sue, I think that would be right that she received help from the local parish, someone else may have a better explanation than me though.
I have seen other entries where relief is given to a widow with children etc.
Cazay
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mmm. had trouble connecting to site for a while.
Jen
Anyway, I agree Jen, too big a match not to be them. The Hardy family drifted between Long Sutton and Dereham for many years before settling there circa 1898 so I'll stick with that one. If it was my direct line I'd send for the cert but as its Aunts, for now at least, I'll hold off.
Once again my thanks. I've been hunting them on and off for years.
Cazay
Thanks. I think I'll pop over to the Norfolk Forum and see if anyone can help with that.
Thank you both :)
Sue
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Marriage Dec 1857
HAWES Charles Robert Holbeach 7a 69[85] (this means 695 or 698 - image looks like 698 to me) No one else on that page apart from-
MAYS Hannah Holbeach 7a 698
This appears in the Holbeach district transcription as
13 Dec 1857 Sutton St Mary
Charles Robert HAINES (illeg) to Hannah MAYS (illeg)
http://s10.freefronthost.com/mi/index.html
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Hi
Oh dear, now I am confused. The other main part of my Hardy family is Mayes! That is 'my' Hannah and Harriets' parents were Samuel Hardy and Ann Mayes. I have Hannah's parents marriage from East Dereham PRs 1836 and Hannahs' birth from GRO (not the cert though) 1838.
Need to think about this one.
Anyway, thanks for looking for me, most appreciated
Sue