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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Meath => Topic started by: rpgpaf on Wednesday 27 August 08 17:03 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I am looking for marriage dates and any Birth info for these
Brain Carolan married Mary Brennan around 1900 there son
Hughie Carolan married Margaret Shields around 1925
Any info would be great,i could be way out with the marriage guess.i think they was all born and married in Meath.
Thanks Pete
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Several of us are searching for connections to Terrance and James Carolan who we now believe came from Meath. Both brothers traveled to Grenville, Quebec in about 1835 where they were given 200 acres of raw land. It is still raw! Terrance only shows up on a Land Patent but we can find a trail of family for James beginning with his wife Mary Dherty Carolan having 9 children. Does any of this sound familiar?
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There are a lot of Carolan records on the Nobber family register (back to 1754). It is serachable through www.rootsireland.ie or the film can be ordered through LDS. They pop up as witnesses at quite a few of my family's baptisms.
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thanks for the info
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Since I posted my question, I have found that the James Carlin family came to Montreal in June 1834 so way before your branch. Only one record says County Mayo and so does family lore but nothing connects us to Meath. That county is the only place Carolans are listed in a Surname directory. 1900 would be too recent for us. Keep looking. You'll find something.
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Hi,
I am looking for marriage dates and any Birth info for these
Brain Carolan married Mary Brennan around 1900 there son
Hughie Carolan married Margaret Shields around 1925
Any info would be great,i could be way out with the marriage guess.i think they was all born and married in Meath.
Thanks Pete
dont know if you already have this, but there's a possible match for the people you mentioned on the 1911 census in the townland of Diralagh, Co. Meath :
Carolan family (http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Meath/Newcastle/Diralagh/720726/)
Shane
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Thanks for the link, i have not seen that before.
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The ages are a little inconsistent and the surname is possibly mistranscribed, but I think this this probably the same family on the 1901 census - in the same townland :
Carlon family, 1901 (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Meath/Newcastle/Diralagh/1614586/)
note : the transcription and forms for this townland seem to be faulty - some Sligo details seem to be crossed with the correct Co. Meath details. The details shown on the Form As for this townland dont match the transcriptions, plus I think the Carlon/Carolan household may show an extra two Sligo born people by mistake.
Shane
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Thanks, that is excellent, i bet thats there correct age, the 1911 census shows them as 69, which means she would have been 49 when she had hugh, seems abit high to have a child.
cheers Peter
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Interesting to know that the Archives are now on line. My family left so early that I have given up hope on finding them. I now have 9 spellings for Carolan. One signature says James CARLIN but more than likely it was different when they lived in Ireland. 1834 is the year I find them coming to Canada. I'll watch your info. If anyone can recommend an LDS film from the 1830;s let me know.
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If anyone can recommend an LDS film from the 1830;s let me know.
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which parish ?
remember that not all RC rural parishes have records back to the 1830s
see :
Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)
My Ancestor came from Ireland - where do I start? (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,498742.0.html)
Shane
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If I knew which parish, I would have found them! I only know the stories say County Mayo and that is on the 1910 Canadian Census. A James CARLIN is listed on the Ships List, St. Lawrence Steam Boats, coming from Quebec City to Montreal with one under 12 and three over 12, June 1834 on the Voyaguer. Those ships transported immigrants to places up the Qttawa River. It took hours to find that record. There are Carolans at Abbeytown in Mayo near Claremorris. I don't know if that is my family or not yet. It seems that I could write to a Diocese to get a marriage or Baptism record but not many have survived. I do know the family were very strong Roman Catholics. Most who settled at Grenville, Quebec are buried at Calumet, the RC cemetery for Notre Dame sept Doulures.
The mother of James and possibly a brother Terrance, was Margaret (David) married to Anthony Carlin and there was an Anthony Carolan at Abbeytown.
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you really need to know which parish, or even a general area to start a proper search, otherwise it would be very difficult to confirm if any records you may find are for your Carolan family.
just to give an idea of the number of parishes in a single county like Meath see : RC Parish Map - Co. Meath (http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/rcmaps/meathrc.htm) (Irish Times)
click on the individual parishes to see details of the dates for which records are available and the film references of the details held by the National Library, and LDS if available.
Many records for these parishes have been transcribed by the IFHF/RootsIreland and are available on their pay-website - see the link mentioned earlier by jc33a
Shane
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If it is Carolan family information you are looking for, I can point you in the direction if they descend from the family from Meath, Ireland. Both of my grandparents had Carolan relatives from that specific area of Northern Ireland, and I have added some of their genealogy to my tree on Ancestry.com.
I have more than a dozen Carolan family members, starting with John Carolan and Catherine Mulvany (b. 1840s) and including such surnames as Brown, McMahon, Cully and Fitzsimons. I also have Carolan connections into my tree who can probably provide some additional details.
Message me if your family is related.
PJ
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We feel that the mother of James CAROLAN was Margaret Davitt. She had a sister, Sarah, who married one of the McAndrew (thousands of them) and their ages would fit. Margaret Davitt married Anthony Carlin, Carolin, Carland, Carrolan or what ever the transcriber preferred writing. A couple of us are searching and we feel the family may have come from Donegal near Derry but stayed in Mayo a short time. Have just finished The Year of the French by Flanagan and can truly understand why this family would have left for Canada.
Any names you can send would be appreciated. Just Carolan's though! Thanks for your time.
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PS. This Carolan or Carlin family was in Canada by 1833. I have a land patent where 200 acres of land was sold to Terrance CARROLAN (same family) in 1833. This is the place where James raised his family but we cannot find a trace of Terrance his brother.
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Thank you for the reply. While I haven't traced the Carolans on my tree to Mayo, Ancestry.com does have a members connect area that makes suggestions for possible family tree matches, and one family on there is from Mayo.
It looks like their family is John Carolan and Mary Reilly, and from what I can see, they had a son John Carolan (b. 1837) married to Mary Walsh, and they lived in Crossmolina, Co, Mayo. It may help to check this family out. I don't think they are connected to mine, but it's worth sharing the info if it can help you. Who knows, maybe the townland can help you narrow down your search?
There also a ton of other Carolan families in Westmeath, Louth and outside of Belfast. I believe these are connected to my own family.
The Carolans related to my own family were born in Moynalty, Meath, and ended up in Worcester, Massachusetts, Providence, Rhode Island, and Newark, NJ.
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I will search John Carolan. We have one signature of James and it is definitely CARLIN. But who know what the Irish spelling was.
There is a new museum in Ballina for Jackie Clarke. Found this out through the NY Times article by Dan Barry in March "Historic Evergreen". Sent an email to the web site but no response. Probably no volunteers. Would love to go to Ballina but I am too old to rent a car!
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.....if they descend from the family from Meath, Ireland. Both of my grandparents had Carolan relatives from that specific area of Northern Ireland
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Co. Meath is not part of Northern Ireland, it's in the east in the province of Leinster next to Dublin, and has a small coastline with the Irish Sea.
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I doubt my Carlin family came from Meath just because the obits I have read all say County Mayo. One family researcher made a small reference to Cavan but I don't find them there either. My next step is to consider Ancestry International but since I have found so many errors in their transcriptions it may take a while to invest.
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I was researching via Goolge today and found a link to a Cullen family, also related to the Carolans, who landed in Canada. It might be worth checking out the site:
http://www.cullenancestry.ca/cullenchap1path.php
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I realize that Meath is in Northern Ireland, I should have clarified that these families ended up in Meath after being dispossessed of their land in N. Ireland. Most had come from NI and moved out from there, settling in and around Dublin. Was getting ahead of myself while typing.
.....if they descend from the family from Meath, Ireland. Both of my grandparents had Carolan relatives from that specific area of Northern Ireland
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Co. Meath is not part of Northern Ireland, it's in the east in the province of Leinster next to Dublin, and has a small coastline with the Irish Sea.
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Thank you for the tip on the Cullen Family. I shall look there ASAP!
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My Carolan tree is the one that is on the site. My GG granfather was John Carolan who married Mary Reilly. The family came from Kilsallagh, Keenagh, Uggool Co. Mayo in the parish of Crossmolina. My G grandfather John had many siblings and one of them Anthony emigrated with his wife Anne Munnelly to Pensylvania where the name was changed to Carlin. My G grandfather John married a Mary Walsh from Keenagh, her father was John Walsh and mother was Kate Conway. Would be happy to share information.
John Carolan
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Thank you Jayjay. Our Carlin's were probably spelled Carolan in Ireland but there is one signature of James with CARLIN in his handwriting. Do you suppose there could have been another cousin Anthony? The mother of James was Margaret David (as the church record says) but her sister Sarah had the spelling of DAVITT s that centers them around Striade, possibly. Margaret died in 1856 and her records says feu de Antoni David. French priest, transcribing the Irish brogue so it all gets murky!
My cousin in Toronto was able to track down a land donation composed and filed by the notary but in the words of James and that is where we find the signature. That was in 1876. So James was preparing for his death willing the property to his son Thomas. Now in 1833 the same property of 200 acres at Grenville was sold to a Terrance CARROLAN. It may be possible that James had a brother or his name was James Terrance or Terrance James Canadian records don't tell us much either Wish the family had come to the US!
Can you tell me the dates your family arrived in the US? I have searched the St. Lawrence Steamboat passenger lists but only find one J. Carlin arriving in 1834 which would be around the right time except that this Terrance (the first) had bought the farm by then.
'Tis a puzzle!
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My Ggrandfather's brother Andrew and his sister Sally were the only ones to emigrate and they went to Pensylvania. Try Carrolin or Carolin on the 1901 Census and see what comes up, someone gave me that tip and I was able to locate some more of my family.
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Thanks for the tip. Now I have 14 different possibilities for CARLIN!