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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: rontonton on Monday 25 August 08 16:32 BST (UK)
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Hello,
this is my first posting and I am looking for help in finding details of my father's place of birth, family details etc.
Named Albert Edward Jones he was born around 1886 in the Rochdale, Lancs area (I think!).
I believe he had at least one brother (Stanley) and one or two sisters - one of whom was a local council member (labour) I understand.
Dad married my mother (Hannah Isobel Haygarth) In Liverpool around 1900 and later went to live in Ellesmere Port, Cheshire.
He was in the RFC and later the RAF during WW1. On his release he opened a garage in E Port which he ran until his death in Dec. 1944 at the age of 59.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
rontonton.
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do you know his parents names
and also a warm welcome to rootschat
mick.
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do you know his parents names
and also a warm welcome to rootschat
mick.
Hi Mick, Thanks for your rapid response.
When typing my post just now, I turned to pick up my parents marriage cert. and there it was - gone! God knows where it is but I am still searching and will be able to quote exact date, Church and parents names etc. Shan't be long!
Ron
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Welcome to Rootschat
Hope we can help you in your research
Are you certain you have your dates correct?
If Albert Edward was b c. 1886 and married in 1900, then he would have only been abt 14???
There is a birth reg on FreeBMD
Hannah Isobel haygarth
Mar qtr 1888
W Derby
8b 333
would this be your mother???
Suz
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think this may be their marriage reg?
Mar qtr 1909
W Derby
8b 448
Hannah Isabel Haygarth
Albert Edward Jones
Suz
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Hello again Mick,
Right, got it!
Married at St. Mary's, Kirkdale, Liverpool. 29th March 1909. Dad's father was Thomas Jones. Dad was a butcher and when he first moved to Ellesmere Port he went as manager of a new branch for the company (can't remember it,s name !) After de-mob in 1919 he found his job gone so he opened his garage.
Regards,
Ron.
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Hi Suz
Right in one !
That was my mum and have found the marriage cert. now and they married in 1909 - well spotted!
Thks,
Ron
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Hi Ron,
Welcome from me too :)
1891 and 1901 census details for Hannah Isabel, was her Dad called Thomas too? and could that be a relative of your Dad living with them in 1891??:
1891 RG12/2958 fol. 17 p.27
33 Candis Street, Kirkdale, Liverpool
HAYGARTH
Thomas D head mar 29 Postman Westmorland
Agnes wife mar 23 Liverpool
Hannah I dau 3 "
William son 1 "
Thomas T ELLIS boarder s 25 Postman "
Thomas E JONES " s 25 " "
1901 RG13/3475 Folio 57 Page 7
50 Melbourne Street, Kirkdale, Liverpool
HAYGARTH
Thomas Daniel head m 39 Postman Barbon, Westmoreland
Agnes wife m 33
Hannah Isabel dau 13 School Girl
William son 11
Thomas " 9
John " 7
Mathew " 3
Hector Baden " under 10 months
all except Thomas born Liverpool
Kind regards,
Barbara
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or maybe it is this one?
do you know the occ of thomas?
only there is a thomas with wife margaret and with son albert.e.jones born 1888 in lancashire in 1891
thomas was a brass finisher
the reg dist they are in is west derby
RG12/2985/42/11
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or this one, as you said Albert was born Rochdale?
1901 RG13/3610 Folio 161 Page 23
20 Panton Street, Horwich, Lancs
JONES
Thomas 50 Signal Fitter Loco Works Liverpool
Jane 42 Bolton
Emily 18 Cycle Tyre Maker Rochdale
Albert 16 Iron Driller "
William 10 Horwich
Arthur 6 "
Barbara
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There are these birth regs Freebmd
all reg in W Derby district
all mother's maiden name haygarth
Jane Jones Sept qtr 1911 8b 662
Florence Jones Mar qtr 1914 8b 684
Doreen Jones Sept qtr 1916 8b 642
William Jones Jun qtr 1918 8b 503
Leslie Jones Sepy qtr 1921 8b 695
Louise Jones mar qtr 1924 8b 801
Thomas Jones Mar qtr 8b 753
there are also quite a few Birth regs abt same time reg in Wirral -mother's maiden name Haygarth
wonder if 2 sisters married 2 brothers????
also could you post the witnesses names from the marriage cert -they may be relatives ?????
Suz
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there is another one in 1901 in liverpool
father thomas mother margaret son albert..g.jones aged 15 born liverpool also a son stanley jones age 13
think we need to know the fathers occ or thomas.'s wifes name
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Here's the same Jones family in 1891 that I found in 1901
1891 RG12/3105 Folio 43 Page 7
23 Minter St, Horwich
JONES
Thomas 39 General Labourer Liverpool
Jane 30 Bolton
Emily 8 Scholar Rochdale
Albert 6 " "
Annie 4 " "
William 8months Horwich
Horwich comes under the Bolton registration district, and there was a Stanley Jones birth registered there in Mar 1902 so after the 1901 census
Jones Stanley Bolton 8c 496
As wozzle said, we need to know Albert's father's occupation to be sure which Thomas Jones he is in the census
Barbara
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Thanks to everyone who took the trouble to respond - I'm overwhelmed!
The witnesses were Richard Cross and Bessie Davies - relationship to my parents un-known and sadly I don't know my g-father's accupation.
However, you all seem to have spotted the right event and the family details. I will attempt to slot them into my tree and see how they fit in.
Many thanks to all concerned.
I shall be away from home for the next 4 days but will pick up again on my return.