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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: nickyhug on Thursday 21 August 08 11:26 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I posted this message a while back on the WWI board and was told it may be better to post it here, so here goes.....
My Great Aunt, Ellen Irene Torrance, married a New Zealand Serviceman in October 1918. His name was Edwin Simpson Andrews and I have the information from their marriage certificate that he was a Second Lieutenant N.Z.E.7. They were married at Brokenhurst Parish Church. I know there was a convalescence home there particulary for troops from New Zealand and India. I would like to find out more about Edwin and why he was there. I have also found some information about him on the Aukland Museum Cenotaph website. I have been told by an elderly Cousin that they had three children, Joan, Phylis and William and that William (Bill) was a POW in WWII and I would also like to trace these family members. Any help would be gratefully received.
Nickyhug :-\
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http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nzbound/ Early Shipping
http://www.findmypast.com/ Shipping 1890 +
http://archway.archives.govt.nz/ National Archives, Wills +
http://www.rootschat.com/links/03dc/ To obtain NZ certificates
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast Old NZ Newspapers
http://www.purewa.co.nz/search.asp A large Auckland cemetery
http://www.waitakere.govt.nz/cnlser/cm/cemeterysearch/default.aspx Even larger Ak cem.
http://www.wellington.govt.nz/services/cemeteries/search/search.php Wellington “
http://librarydata.christchurch.org.nz/Cemeteries/ Christchurch “
http://www.whitepages.co.nz/Pages/Home/0,2622,a1281,00.html Phonebook
http://www.genealogy.org.nz/Sales_11.aspx Society of Genealogists
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Hi Nickyhug
You will have seen on the Auckland Cenotaph website, that Edwin Simpson ANDREWS is listed as having served (WW1) in the Pacific region, in the Samoa Campaign. That he is in the Brockenhurst area in 1918, tends to suggest that he also saw service, further abroad.
His war service record would include details of hospitalisation (usually just a brief description of illnesses, wounds suffered etc.). WW1 records are held by Archives New Zealand at their Wellington office and the great majority, are listed with a file number reference, on the Archives NZ "Archway" website. Unfortunately, there doesn't appear to be a record for Edwin Simpson ANDREWS.
[You may though, like to send a query to Archives NZ to check further].
Obviously finding the children of this couple, is not easy. (You appear a little uncertain on your other thread, as to whether the couple actually returned to New Zealand) ??? Also, with a surname like ANDREWS, we would require further information such as second christian names (if any), for the children.
Lu
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Wasn't sure if you had later details??
There is an EDWIN SIMPSON ANDREWS
Lived Wellington and New plymouth
1971 Probate ABAJW4079163/71
Archives Wellington
YOu can find Edwin and Ellen's cremation details at
http://www.newplymouthnz.com/AtoZOfCouncilServices/CemeteriesAndCrematorium/CemeterySearch.htm
BYe
Althea
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Great work by Althea. :)
(Another of those probate files, not shown on the "Archway" site) ?
Nickyhug, Edwin's (will) probate record, hopefully should name a child or children? (Details for purchasing same can be found on Archives NZ website).
It's possible too that the funeral director may be able to provide you with an address for next-of-kin given at the time of Edwin's death. (I note that his wife died same year, and the same funeral director is listed).
Funeral director shown is "W. Abraham" (I suspect details on cemetery database are out-of-date?) ... they now have a website
www.wabraham.co.nz
or you can e-mail them at
info@wabraham.co.nz
Good luck with your search.
Lu
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HI Lu
Yes I've never quite got to the bottom of the ones that don't show at archives
There are also land transmission docs Z188500, says these docs now held Hamilton There are 5 pages. Certificate of Admin
Further Assistance: LINZ Office Hamilton. When requesting
information from LINZ in Hamilton please
request a "Transmission document" and
include the reference number.
BYE
Althea
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Hi Althea
Mmmm ...blimey ! Land documents (from experience, these are a bit of a pain to follow up on).
Here's hoping anyway that Nickyhug can obtain information more easily, from the other sources? :)
Lu
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Brockenhurst. I was there in 2004 laying a wreath fo rthe Kiwi soldiers buried at St. Nicholas Churchyard... lovely church! Number One General Hospital was at Brockenhurst... I could put you in touch with someone in UK, who may be able to assist, Chris may know more about this soldier Edwin Andrews.. nothing ventured, nothing gained! 90 Kiwi soldiers buried in the churchyard..
Adele
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meant to ask, was his wife a nurse at the Hospital? I am waiting to hear back from contact in UK about the Camp etc... he may have a list of nurses etc...
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I thought she may have been on the staff, but have checked Southern life website out for Brockenhurst, cannot see her name.. have you sent away for his Military File from Trentham? makes good reading...
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Hi there!
My name is Karin Grice & I live in Wellington NZ. Edwin Simpson Andrews is my Great Grandfather and his daughter Phyllis was my Nana. It is my understanding that Uncle Bill is still alive (albiet very old now!) but sadly my beloved Great Aunt Joan passed away a few years ago :-[ I have a great Aunt (*) (married to Arthur Andrews - now deceased) and she has done a lot of work on our family tree & may be able to help you.
Karin :)
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Hi KGee, and welcome to RootsChat. :) :)
The original poster of this topic hasn't visited the forum for some time so you may not get a response. In case they don't receive a notification of your reply I will send them a Personal Message.
I have edited your reply above to remove the name of a living person, as this forum makes every effort to protect personal privacy. ;)
I hope you get a response.
Regards,
Spades
Moderator
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Hello RootsChat,
Thank you very much for your trouble, greatly appreciated! I have only just come across this conversation thread due to my daughter doing some research on WW1 and her great, great Grandfather. NickyHug mentioned that Edwin & Ellen had 3 three children that she knew of - they actually had 5 with Robert & Arthur Andrews being the missing names.
Thank you again for your help, what a wonderful site you have!
Warm regards
Karin (Wellington, NZ)
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Hi KGee, this is Nickyhug. I have just dug out my family history research and logged back into this site. Hoping you will see this (although it has been a very long time!) and we can catch up as we are related!
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Hoping you will see this (although it has been a very long time!) ......
Hello nickyhug
Yes, it is a long time ;D ... and it may be that KGee does see your post here ... fingers crossed. ;)
But you could also try making direct contact via the PM (personal messaging) facility here ?
(Usually it takes three postings to this forum by a newcomer, to activate the PM system - but I have known it to work with only two. Worth a try. )
Facebook might be another means of contact ? There are also around 11 "trees" for Edwin S. ANDREWS at ancestry website.
Good luck.
~ Lu
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Hi Lu,
Thanks. I will try A PM. Am about to ‘renew’ my subscription to Ancestry so will have a look. It has been such a long time since doing any research and feels like I’m starting again! I did have a Quick Look at Facebook too.
Once again thank you for your reply
Nicky
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Hi Nicky
Some additional info for you >
Arrival in New Zealand :
Ellen ANDREWS arrived in New Zealand aboard the troopship > "Briton" > which had left UK on
25 December 1918 and was transporting a large number of returning soldiers (and some wives and children).
I found her name on the "Briton" passenger list (@ ancestry.com) -- indexed as "Mrs E. G. ANDREWS" -- figured that the "G" was possibly in error of "S" - her husband's second initial. But on looking at actual image, seems it might read as "Mrs E. I. ANDREWS". ??? Aged 24 years / "travelling with husband" / future permanent residence - NZ / contracted to land at Wellington :
Alas, the actual names of the soldiers did not appear on this passenger list (- I think it may have been for "security reasons" ??). And wasn't able to find a New Zealand Immigration list for this voyage either.
Eventually located a newspaper article which had a very long list of the returning troops,
[Draft 211], amongst which was > 2nd-Lieut. E. S. ANDREWS, Wellington :
The "Briton" arrived at the Port of Lyttelton (South Island) c. 29 January 1919.
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TS19190123.2.79
~ Lu
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Some (interesting) snippets re: the arrival in NZ of the troopship "Briton" - January 1919 > >
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/SUNCH19190125.2.49
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/SUNCH19190128.2.69
~ Lu