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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Kincardineshire => Topic started by: lyndyloo6 on Wednesday 20 August 08 17:50 BST (UK)
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Hi There,
Can you help me?
I have just joined this site, so please bear with me. My gt grandfather was William Ross, c1879. He died in Croy, Invernesshire in 1956. He is buried in Laurencekirk and was a shepherd. My great Grandmother was Isabella Gibb and they married in 1904. On the marriage certificate Williams parents are given as William Ross, Ploughman and Florence Smith. (It does not say maiden name). They married at Burn of Guinea, Glenbervie. On Williams death cert, his parents are given as William Bremner and Florence , Maiden surname Smith. I have looked everywhere for a marriage with both names. I have spoken to the grandson who registered the death. He does not recall the name Bremner. I cannot find Williams birth certificate. I have looked the census reports, and it does not say where he was born. One possibility was Aberdeen not known. Can you help me please, any lead would be good. I have been looking for 2 years now and have come to the conclusion that he must have been illegitimate and boarded out by his mother.
Kind regards
Lynda
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Hallo Lynda. I searched the ScotlandsPeople index of births in Kincardineshire (you mentioned that the parents of William Ross were married at Glenbervie) for the birth of a William Ross between 1876 and 1881 but the fathers were named either John or James.
I'm curious as to where you found the Glenbervie marriage as there is no record of a marriage between William Ross and Florence Smith in the whole of Scotland. The same applies to William Bremner and Florence Smith. It looks as if William (born ca 1879) was illegitimate. Having said that, his birth must be recorded in one of the counties of Scotland ?
Sorry not to have been of more help.
Isles.
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HI Isles,
Thank you for your reply. The marriage that I was referring to was William Ross and Isabella Gibb. It was on that marriage certificate that the reference made to his parents as William Ross and Florence Smith. The cert did not indicate that they were married, as there was no MS next to Florence's name. I have hunted for about 2 years now and can find no marriage between William Senior and Florence. And then if he was illegitimate, who would his mother have been? Not sure where to go now with this one.
Thank you for looking, it is always good to have fresh eyes look at something.
Regards,
Lynda
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Linda,
You dont say where in Laurencekirk, he was buried, If you can tell me this and possibly the plot number. (These records are with the Laurencekirk registrar - Banski) Then if you think there might be a headstone and it would help, I could have a look.
Digger88.
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Hi There,
I went to Laurencekirk to look for the headstone as I could not find his death certificate. He is in the cemetry next to the main road at top of Laurencekirk. Not sure what it is called. It was a very productive day as I also found my gt uncle James Ross's name on the war memorial next to it. He is buried with my gt grandmother Isabella Gibb. My problem is the names on the death certifcate which states that his fathers name is different from the name on the marriage certificate. I have not managed to find his birth certificate as yet, but am planning a day at register house soon to see what this turns up.
Many thanks for your offer.
Kind regrds,
Lynda
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Hi Lynda!
I don't have anything useful to add, but I was surfing the forum and came across your thread. I'm just wondering if I've got this right or if I'm missing something........ I have had a glass or two you understand ;)
You are saying that the grandson registered the death but that Bremner means nothing to him. But wouldn't he have been the one to provide the parents details?
Aside from that, have you considered that it's possible that Florence Smith remarried after the death (assumption) of her first husband? The Bremner may be the second marriage and therefore assumed to be the father later in life. In which case you should maybe be looking for Bremner/Ross marriages? Just a thought really!
Lass x
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Lynda,
Have you tried writing to the 2 local weekly papers?
They are KINCARDINE OBSERVER. www.specialistmags.co.uk/atoz.php?
and the MEARNS LEADER www.mearnsleader.co.uk.
If you can add a photo and get a personal interest slant on it, there will be a good chance that someone knows someone who can lay it on the line for you.
You could also ask 'Family Friends' newsagent on the High Street to put a notice in the shop window.
Cheers Digger88
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Hello and thank you both.
I have written to one of the papers in Kincardine, I think the Mearns. When I spoke to the grandson who regisdtered the death, he was quite confused about the Bremner bit. He was 16 when he registered the death. However, my great Aunt was still alive at the time and I think if it was wrong she would have rectified this.....but who knows. I know that there would have been a bit of a palaver as he died in Croy and was brought back to Laurencekirk and buried beside my great grandmother. It is all so confusing and I have spend lots of money on SP looking at the death certificates. He appears in the 1881 census as an 8 year old, no parents. In 1891 he is in Kincardine, as an ag labourer in a Bothy, no parents and born Aberdeenshire, kn. So my wee search goes on and on.
Thank you for your suggestions.
Kind regards,
Lynda
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The only it I have to add is this.
When my mother registered my fathers death
in 1958 she gave his brothrs name inplace
of his fathers.
Nobody who needed the certificat seemed to notice or care.
In later years I must have read it a dozen times before I noticed the error.
So what you read may not have been correct.
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Hi there,
Thank you for this. I had never thought about it in this way. I probably need to go to Invrness again and speak to my cousin. Hee I am many months on and still no joy as how to resolve this. I htought I would give it a rest at the summer and concentrate on the other side of my family. :)
Kind regards,
Lynda
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Hi Lynda
Have you had a look at the birth of William Bremner Ross in Aberdeen in August 1872. He was born to an Isabella Ross. This would tie in with his age shown on the census of 1881 and 1901.
Regards
Susan.
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Hi Susan,
I have looked at this cerificate and think that this is the most probable one. I ave a freind who is gong to look at the archives sometime in the next month. The Isaella woud also tie in with the names passed on down throgh the family as this was one of the nams given to my mother in 1936 when she was born..... however, it still does not resolve the mystery of Florence Smith who's name appears on both certificates......heres hoping I can tie this up as soon as possible :)
Kind regards,
Lynda
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hi new to this site but wondering if you could give me details of the welsh family as you have a common ancestor in john welsh with my girlfriend
thanks
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HI There,
Which John Welsh you want to know about....1784 or 1840 one.....Are your Welshs from Kincardineshire?
Regards,
Lynda
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1840 from aburthnott married to jessie
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HI There,
John Welsh and Jessie Reid are my 3 x gt grandparents. Jessie died in 1892 and John married not long after. They lived in Arbraoth. John went on to have several more children the last being twins born in 1900. He lived till 1929 and his wife until 1945. Which of the original children is your girlfreind descended from. I am from Thomas, who had a son Alex and my grandad was Thomas, (Tam). My mum was Wendy and her brother Terry. Please let me know as I have had very limited contact with the Welsh family.
Kind regards,
Lynda
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my girlfriends g grandmother was marjory welsh john and jessie being marjorys grandparents thomas was majorys dad and he was married to a christina mckay thomas died in1945 at rose cottage kinneff alexander his son being witness i think this makes alexander and majory bro and sis have you a pic of thomas
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Hi There,
Sorry, I do not have any pictures. I have one or two of my grandad Tom though. He was a farm worker all his life. He ended his days in Edinburgh after coming down here when my mum eloped and had me in 1953. This part of the family remained here ever since. After my mum died in 1969, aged 32, my uncle died in 1974 in a road smash. My gran then died a couple of years later and then my grandad died in 1979 just after my youngest sons first birthday. They all went in 10 years. The last time I saw my gt Uncle Alex was at my grandads funeral. Uncle Alex was awarded the MBE for services to fishing as apparently his boat was the last to go out of Scotland with lines attatched.
I have been in touch with his sons, Alex and Douglas in Gourdon last year. I was upat the cemetry there and got a photograph of Thomas and Christina headstone. Gt Uncle Alex is also buried there. My gt Grandfather Alex was buried in Arbraoth Eastern cemetry along with my gt granma whi is in the picture at the side of this. Bet she never imagined that she would be viewed by the whole world on the internet. Thats her walking along Bervie High sStreet in the very late 50's. I remember her being a lovely lady with a one tooth smile. She was 81 when she died. My gt Grandfather died in 1944, so she was on her own for a while. My gt Aunt Nellie marriedRobert Dorward and live in David Street. Her family lived in this house for many years. They had one son David, who to my knowledge lives in Alloa. He has one daughter. I remember when I was about 7 years old, my uncle took me to visit Gt aunt Nelliee and had thetime of my life in that tiny house. It was amazing. Te big black range and how she cooked all the meals there, and the wee recess in the kitchen where the bed was. At that time it was the cosyest bed I had ever slept in...lol.
AnywayI am not sure that The Thomas you speak about is my gt gt gt grandfather, but he is the brother of my gt grandfather Alex. I think this is where Marjory fits into my tree.
I have John c1786 married to Harriet,Thomas, John c1850 married to Jessie Reid, Alex married to Susan, and my granpa Tom born in 1909 at Benholm.
Please let me know if I can help you any further.
Kind regards,
Lynda
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thank you for your info it was very interesting and helpful
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Hi ,
I forot to say that I think that there was a big rift in te family after Jessie died. The older children seemed not to communicate with the younger ones of the second marriage. When I asked no one seemed to know about him (John) and his new wife, even though she died in 1945, which was the yer after my gt grandfather alex died. I am going to do some work on this during the winter months to see what became of all the children in both marriages.
Does anyone remember my family? Probably if my mum had lived a bit longer we would all have been in touch. Does your Marjory live in Stonehaven? I had contact with a lovely lady in Stonehaven, but my computer crashed last year and I lost touch with many of the pople contacted. My computer neded a new 'Motherboard', so it was cheaper to buy a new computer. However, I could not access my emails on google.... I wasreally upset about this....do you know this lady as he was also a descendant of Thomas and Christina....I think she was a grandaughter, but they brought her up as her mum was not married at the time. She is in her 80's. If you are in touch, please send her my regards.
Keep in touch,
Lynda
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its a bit of mystery majory gave birth to illegimate girl named shiela who is my girlfriends gran but somehow her name changed to mearns does any your family have the middle name may
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Hi ,
No Ihave not come across the name 'Mearns'. I thought 'mearns' was the name for Kincardinshire. Maye they adpted that name.... just an idea. The only thing is to research the name. Possibly the name of her father.....what you think?
lynda