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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: GalaLass on Tuesday 19 August 08 16:05 BST (UK)
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Hi All,
Bit of a long shot but....
I have my Adams family do a bunk over the Border to England for a few years in the late 1890's with their brood.
They have 3 children born "England", Hugh Adams abt 1885, Remote, Cranston, Sunderland , John Adams abt 1895 and Isaac Adams 3rd May 1898. By 1899 they were back home in the Haddington area.
John died 2 july 1916 at The Somme, and Isaac ( Uncle Ike on his motorbike) died 21 Dec 1982 North Berwick. Hugh is my Grt Grandfather & he died 12 Dec 1960 in Haddington. Does this line ring a bell for anyone? If only they'd stayed for a census!
For Info, the parents are Hugh Adams & Agnes Blyth M 31 Dec 1875 & the rest of the children are:
Charles b abt 1874, Alison, b 8 Jun 1877, William B 3 May 1881, James b 21 Dec 1883, Margaret & George followed on their return to Haddington.
All of my other researchis Scotland based, so I'm stalled for now on these boys, & Hugh in particular. Any hints or info gratefully received.
Thanks
Karen
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Karen,
You say the Adams family was in England "for a few years in the late 1890s"
And you list the England-born as Hugh b1885 John 1895 and Isaac 1898 ?
That's mid 80s to late 90s ???
And where is Cranston ?
Michael Dixon
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Hi
I'm glad you picked up on this Michael. I started looking this up earlier but we did have a few thunderstorms earlier on so I went off line.
I recall finding an Isaac Adams on Free BMD , registered Sunderland, June q, 1888. Nothing circa 1898 in Northumberland or Durham.
Gadget
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They have 3 children born "England", Hugh Adams abt 1885, Remote, Cranston, Sunderland , John Adams abt 1895 and Isaac Adams 3rd May 1898.
1901 scottish census shows Isaac Adams born 1888, not 1898.
2nd quarter 1888, Sunderland 10a 631
Jennifer
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So I did find the correct one 8) 8) 8)
Any Johns in 1885 then?
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So I did find the correct one 8) 8) 8)
Any Johns in 1885 then?
John is shown on the 1901 as being born c. 1886
Possibly 4th quarter 1885, Sunderland 10a 659
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Hi
I'm glad you picked up on this Michael. I started looking this up earlier but we did have a few thunderstorms earlier on so I went off line.
I recall finding an Isaac Adams on Free BMD , registered Sunderland, June q, 1888. Nothing circa 1898 in Northumberland or Durham.
Gadget
So I did find the correct one 8) 8) 8)
Any Johns in 1885 then?
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I'm invisible ::) ::) ::) ::)
Gadget, I apologise, it was not my intention to give that impression.
Jennifer
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Hi Jen :)
Thanks for amending your reply #5 :)
I think Karen has made some serious errors in her dates :-\
Gadget
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I think Karen has made some serious errors in her dates :-\
Agreed. I wonder where they were in 1891?
They have 3 children born "England", Hugh Adams abt 1885, Remote, Cranston, Sunderland ,
I can't yet find a suitable Hugh born in Sunderland. Nor can I find anywhere called Cranston.
I think we will have to wait for Karen to consider the findings so far... ???
Jennifer
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I can't find them in 1891, either. There's a poss Hugh, 1883, Gateshead, Sept. Q, vol 10a, page 828* :-\
Gadget
*and one in South Shields 1890 but :-\
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Hi All,
My apologies for the confusions I may have added - I was working across 2 pc's and keyboards and excited about maybe tracking down some info about these lost years. I have done all my research from Scottish records as these are the only 3 English records I have after 10 years researching.
My info comes from census or what is recorded in the Scottish records, so as we all know, census information is only as accurate as the person giving, and the person receiving, and the person reading the records.
I'm at work so will need to piece all this together at the weekend, but I have Isaac's death certificate, so that's where I got his birth date.
I didn't know there was a freeBMD for Sunderland, thanks for that pointer, but then I've only recently been able to narrow England down to Sunderland. A son turns up later in Northumberland, went to the mines for work.
My research has thrown up plenty of anomolies for this family & there's probably an earlier Hugh who died and was "replaced" by my Hugh a few years later.
I'll check what info I have for them for 1891 - this is really helpful all, even if it throws up more questions :)
This family was big and mostly on the poverty line so education and being nice to the authorities ( ie census takers) probably wasn't high on their list of priorities, and that carried on for a couple more generations.
Cranston I can't comment on, I was hoping for local knowledge. I got Remote or Rimote from original documents, I'll re look at them, but that's what I read & with a few years of practice, I'm not often too far out on turning chicken scrawl into words, but as I say, this part of the world is a complete unknown to me, so I am flying blind.
If you can bear with me I'll retrace all of my info for these three over the weekend and get back to you all.
Thanks for your efforts, it's great to get a step forward.
Cheers
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Cranston I can't comment on, I was hoping for local knowledge. I got Remote or Rimote from original documents, I'll re look at them, but that's what I read & with a few years of practice, I'm not often too far out on turning chicken scrawl into words, but as I say, this part of the world is a complete unknown to me, so I am flying blind.
Can you post a scan of the place name so we can take a look at it?
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Hi Jen,
Will have a look at the weekend.
Cheers
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I'm at work so will need to piece all this together at the weekend, but I have Isaac's death certificate, so that's where I got his birth date.
Just found the record on SP. i see he died, North Berwick, aged 94, in 1982 - giving a birth year of 1888.
Gadget
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I also note that Hugh Adams died 1960, aged 84, giving a birth year of 1876 :-\
Gadget
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Karen
I think the information that you have is seriously wrong.
Given the age at death of Hugh - and thus an approx. birth year of 1876, I went onto SP and used 6 units to search and view his birth certificate.
This is what it says:
Parish of Cranston, Midlothian
Hugh Adams
23 April 1876, 4.30 pm
Birthplace - Remote or Rimote, Parish of Cranston.
Father - Hugh Adams, General labourer
Mother - Agnes, m.s. Blyth
Married 31 December 1875, Cranston
I think it would be worth checking all the details you have for this family.
Gadget
PS - as another poster has pointed out, I think this thread should have been posted on Durham
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Parish of Cranston, Midlothan
Hugh Adams
23 April 1876, 4.30 pm
Remote or Rimote, Parish of Cranston.
Father - Hugh Adams, General labourer
Mother - Agnes, m.s. Blyth
Married 31 December 1875, Cranston
So....Cranston is in Scotland?
Hugh Adams abt 1885, Remote, Cranston, Sunderland ,
I have been trying to find a Cranston somewhere in County Durham >:(
And a Hugh Adams born in County Durham circa 1885 >:(
Jennifer
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Jennifer :) ~
I think the information that Karen gave us is seriously wrong, as I said in my previous message.
It might help if you could put up the info from the 1901 census when the family where in Inveresk (you found them first ;) ;) )
I also found that George Adams, aged 10 on the 1901, was b. 1890 in Saltoun, East Lothian.
Gadget
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It might help if you could put up the info from the 1901 census when the family where in Inveresk (you found them first ;) ;) )
The birth dates for Isaac and John were taken from the index at A***y - I don't have a sub at the moment.
Perhaps Karen could put it up for us.
Jennifer
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Ok will put it up - in for a penny, as they say ;D ;D ;D
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1901
Carberry Trows(?), Inveresk, Midlothian - 689 ED 15 Page 30
Hugh Adams, 52, ploughman, b. Midlothian, Lasswade
Agnes, B, 48, b. Haddington, Tranent
Margaret, 21, outworker on farm, b. ?(Garvald E. Lothian)
William, 19, ploughman, b.?(Garvald E. Lothian)
James, 17, ploughman, b. Haddington, Tranent
John, 15, farm sevant - ? , b. England
Isaac, 13, scholar, b. England
Geroge, 10, scholar, b. Haddington, East Saltoun
David, 8, scholar, b. Haddington, East Saltoun
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Ok,
I throw in the towel.
I got some my information from LDS records long before SP came on line & not only have I got some dodgy information, it looks like I've got information relating to another Hugh and Agnes Adams interspersed with more recently aquired accurate info from the GROS.
In my records I have my family in Saltoun E Lothian in 1891.
1901 in Inveresk is totally weird & doesn't tally with any family reported info, but the entry is compelling.
A lot of the info I have I know is right as I have the family certificates, Hugh's war records, and even a letter from the King, and I have reported info direct from Hugh's grandchildren, so I'm trying not to be too despondant. I just need to revisit this line again when I go to the GROS next.
Thanks for the help with Isaac & John. As I said, I have no familiarity with Englsih records, so that helps confirm later info.
Gadget, some of the information is wrong. Yes, I accept that, but did you have to put it so unpleasantly? as I said, I would look at it at the weekend, as I work away, but you kinda went off on your own anyway.
Please put me on ignore from now on & I promise not to post unless I'm at home with all my records laid out in front of me. My family did rename later children after those who died in infancy & many did, so I have kept even dodgy looking info until I track down absolutely all the birth and death certs. I need to update this line with all the new info that is available since I last followd them a good few years ago.
Signing off this board now.
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If information is wrong and someone tells me, I do not regard it as unpleasantness. I regard them as being helful. Jen and I were helping you but you seem to be extremely ungrateful. We spent a considerable amount of time helping you.
If you are happy to put up inaccurate information and neither apologise or thank people, then your manners are sadly lacking.
You are the most ungrateful person that I've ever helped on this forum.
Gadget
Added - just for the record:
1891 - Saltoun - 719 ED 2 Page 1
Hugh Adams, 40, farm servant, b. Midlothian, St Leonards
Agnes, 39, farm servant, b. East Lothian, Tranent
Hugh, 16, farm servant,b. Midlothian , Cranston
Alison, 14, b, East Lothian, Garvald
Margaret, 12, b, East Lothian, Garvald
William, 10, b, East Lothian, Garvald
James, 8, b. East Lothian, Tranent
John, 6, b. England
Isaac, 3, b. England
George, 1, b. East Lothian, Salton
William Adams, father, 73, b. East Lothian, Gladsmuir ?
Ann Mc Adams, mother, 67, b. Dunbartonshire, Dumbarton
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Karen,
Gadget, some of the information is wrong. Yes, I accept that, but did you have to put it so unpleasantly?
I can see no unpleasantness. Gadget simply stated facts. We spent a lot of time trying to assist you, and, indeed, rapidly found the two Sunderland births you wanted. However we discovered very quickly that much of the basic information we had been given was incorrect.
I said, I would look at it at the weekend, as I work away, but you kinda went off on your own anyway.
I asked if you could post a scan of the 'Cranston Sunderland' info and you said you would look at that at the weekend.
We did not 'kinda go off on our own'. If you didn't want us to do any more you should have said so there and then and saved us both a lot of time.
Jennifer