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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Stirlingshire => Topic started by: JSherry on Monday 18 August 08 19:55 BST (UK)
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hello folks my surname is Sherry
I only know of my family back to my grandfather alex sherry
he played footaball for Preston North end
we stayed in banknock stirlingshire scotland uk
thank for any help
JSherry
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Hi J,
Welcome to Rootschat!
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For example, if you are able have a look at any birth, marriage or death certificates for any of your ancestors, there's a wealth of information on them.
I always found the best way forward was to decide exactly which line you want to trace and try to concentrate on that single line. The reason I say try, is because before you know where you are, you'll be scooting off at tangents all over the place. You'll probably end up loving every minute of those tangents but it's easy to get mixed up.
Have you had a look through the beginners section? There's loads of really useful tips on the best ways to get started.
Don't feel afraid to ask questions. We're all here to help!
Anne
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Hi Sherry
Welcome from me too :)
One of our members is employed by PNE at the moment. i'll PM him with a link to this thread. He might well be able to find some information for you.
Regards
Gadget
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Hi JSherry
Welcome to RootsChat
According to PNE, Alexander Sherry was born in 1904, Bonnybridge
His position was left-back (Defender)
He signed for PNE in 1929 from the Scottish junior club Denny Hibernian.
Between 1929 - 1931 he made 14 appearances. His first was at the beginning of the 1929 - 30 season (Sep 18th), away against Bristol City, the result was 2 - 2
After playing 2 games at the beginning of the 1931 - 32 season he left to join the French club, Marseille
Sorry I don't have any more information
Kind regards
Simon
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Hi
Using the info that Simon has provided, the only one coming up in Stirlingshire is:
1908 Alexander Pater(erson) Sherry, b. Kilsyth, Stirlingshire
Unfortunately the full record is not available to view online.
Gadget
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Hi, here is a picture of your Grandfather in his PNE days
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Alex Sherry's Football League appearances for Preston North End
All matches are in Division II
1929/30 Season
18/09/1929 (A) v Bristol City 2 - 2
21/09/1929 (H) v Stoke City 5 - 1
28/09/1929 (A) v Wolverhampton Wanderers 0 - 4
05/10/1929 (H) v Bradford City 2 - 2
1930/31 Season
14/02/1931 (A) v Oldham Athletic 0 - 2
21/02/1931 (A) v Plymouth Argyle 2 - 1
28/02/1931 (H) v Bury 2 - 0
07/03/1931 (A) v Barnsley 1 - 1
17/03/1931 (H) v Charlton Athletic 4 - 1
21/03/1931 (H) v West Bromwich Albion 0 - 2
28/03/1931 (H) v Port Vale 1 - 3
01/04/1931 (H) v Nottingham Forest 2 - 4
1931/32 Season
29/08/1931 (A) v Oldham Athletic 2 - 2
31/08/1931 (A) v Tottenham Hotspur 0 - 4
All appearancies were in the No.3 shirt (left-back)
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Hi Again :)
Did you have any details of a death date, Simon? I could look in my book if not.
I have a possible death for the Alexander P Sherry. 1966, Kilsyth, aged 58. Not sure if it's correct though. Again, not available to view the full details online.
Gadget
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Gadget
I've been looking up football facts, I'll leave the genealogy to you ;D ;D
His middle name had the initial P, I've just found A.P.Sherry, 1929 - 1931, Preston North End on a football database, you have to pay £5 to look any further.
Simon
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I'm thinking that the certs that I've found might well be of Alex Sherry. I've been looking at the map and Banknock is fairly close to Kilsyth:
Click for Map (http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=278500&y=679500&z=5&sv=278500,679500&st=4&mapp=newmap.srf&searchp=newsearch.srf&ax=278500&ay=679500)
If this is so, the only way to obtain the certs, if you can't get to Edinburgh or one of the larger Records Offices, is via the GROS:
http://www.gro-scotland.gov.uk/famrec/bdm.html
Gadget
Added - Thanks Simon I think it must be him then 8)
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:D
Think the one that I've found is him, Simon. I've just looked in my book.
Details are; Alexander (Alex) Paterson Sherry (the SP record has truncated the Paterson to Pater)
Born 8 Feb 1908, Banknock Died 1966
Then all the football info that you've put up :)
So if J can get the certs it will give parents names.
Gadget
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I might, just might, have got a breakthrough
Marriage 1892 ,Slamannan, Stirlingshire
John Sherry to Mary Paterson.
I'll do some more checking before I take a detailed look :)
Gadget
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Gadget
His middle name was Patterson, I've just found it on this website
http://www.playerhistory.com/Default.aspx?page=player_details&playerID=57295
Simon
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We're there then, Simon :D
Here they are in 1901:
5 Watsonville, Motherwell
639 ED 18 Household no. 38
John Sherry, 29, coal miner, b.Cumbernauld
Mary, 26, b. Slamannan
Maggie, 9, b. Slamannan
Mary, 5, b. Slamannan
John, 9 months, b. Motherwell
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John, aged 9 months on the 1901 also had Paterson as a middle name.
As does a probable sister Sarah b. Kilsyth, 1909
I think it's worth using some units on the parents' marriage cert now :D
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Marriage
31 December 1891, Slamannan. According to the forms of the Wesleyan Methodist Church.
John Sherry , coal miner, bach, aged 20
Parents - John Sherry, Quarryman, deceased and Hannah, maiden surname, Kelly
AND
Mary Paterson, domestic servant, spinster, aged 18.
Parents - John Paterson, Coal Miner, deceased and Margaret, maiden surname, Hunter
Gadget :)
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IGI extracted has
birth of John Sherry 8 Sept 1870, Cumbernauld, Dunbartonshire. Parents John Sherry and Hannah Kelly
and
birth of Mary Patterson 8 Feb 1874, Slamannan, Stirlingshire. Parents John Patterson and Margaret Hunter
which confirms the marriage details
:)
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Well done Gadget ;D ;D
I'm sticking to football facts ;D ;D
Alexander Patterson Sherry played 4 times for Marseille
1932/33 Season
11/09/1932 (A) v Lille 1 - 2
18/09/1932 (A) v Nimes 1 - 3
25/09/1932 (H) v R.C. Paris 1 - 0
16/10/1932 (A) v Cette 1 - 1
Simon
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Football was a major way out of coal mining, Simon. my Dad and his family did the same in Wales, as you know :)
Gadget
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1881
Wynd East Side, Cumbernauld
495 ED 9 Household no. 1
John Sherry, 30, general labourer, b. Cadder, Lanarkshire
Hannah, 30, b. Glasgow
John, 10
Hannah, 5
both children b. Cumbernauld
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A French website that I've been looking at says Alex left Marseille in 1933 to join Lincoln City but I cant find any reference to this anywhere. Lincoln City's archive doesn't have him as a first team player.
Simon
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1881
60 Binniehill, Slamannan
489 ED 3 Household no.147
John Paterson, 41, coal miner, b. New Monklands, Lanarkshire
Margaret, 33, b. Bothkennar, Stirlingshire
Joan, 11, b. Slamannan
Alex, 9, b. Dalziel, Lks*
Mary, 7, b. Slamannan
Sarah, 5, b. Slamannan
John, 3, b. Slamannan
Margaret, 1, b. Slamannan
Janet, 12 days, b. Slamannan
Simon - My book just has him playing for Denny Hiberian, PNE and Marseille
Gadget
* at last an Alex - so he was likely named for his mother Mary's big brother or a grt grandfather. I think I'll have a look at John Patterson b. New Monklands :)
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:D
6 July 1866, Slamannan
Marriage of
John Patterson, coal miner, bach, 24
Parents - Robert Patterson, coal miner, deceased and Joanna?, m.s. Sneddon
And
Margaret Hunter, day labourer, sp,19
Parents - Alexander Hunter, coalminer and Margaret, m.s. Gillespie
I just wanted to check where the Alexander came from!
I think I'll leave doing any more searching until JSherry comes back on!!
Gadget
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I've just found out that Alex will have played along side the great Sir Matt Busby, they both played for Denny Hibernian at the same time.
Gadget, you're doing some stirling research ;D ;D
Simon
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I've just found out that Alex will have played along side the great Sir Matt Busby, they both played for Denny Hibernian at the same time.
Simon
Now that is cool, cool,cool 8) 8) 8)
A summary for J:
Alexander Paterson Sherry b. 1908. d. 1966
Parents - John Sherry and Mary Paterson
John Sherry b.1870
Parents - John Sherry and Hannah Kelly
(line not traced any further)
Mary Paterson b. 1874
Parents - John Paterson and Margaret Hunter
John Paterson b.c.1842
Parents Robert Paterson and Joanna ? Sneddon
Margaret Hunter b.c.1847
Parents - Alexander Hunter and Margaret Gillespie
Gadget
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The Paterson-Kelly marriage is proving a bit difficult. On son John's birth registration, they were married 28th Dec 1860 at Cumbernauld*
Might be common law or wrongly indexed :-\
I'll try some other ways of finding them later
Gadget
* added - this must have been a bit of a porkie if the were aged 30 on the 1881
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Thanks to you guys I am gob smacked! you folks are good at this and it is totally new to me :)
I think all of the information you have given me is correct My Grandfather Alexander did I am pretty sure play with Matt Busby. I will have to speak to my dad John Sherry (my name also) he is around
76 years old but My grandfather Alexander married Mary (Mollie) Fishwick when he was playing football in England (PNE?) as far as I know Mary was from the Southport area I visited the shop
of Uncle Jack in Southport when I was about 10.
The info you are coming up with on my great grandparents and children is very good
thanks for your help so far please what database do you use and how ?
John Sherry
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Hi John :)
Glad we have helped. It's nice to have some football ancestors to check up on as Simon and I are fanatics 8) 8) 8)
Most of the info that I've found has been from Scotlands people
www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
It's pay to view but reasonable and accurate :)
also, the IGI:
www.familysearch.org
and online censuses via such sites as Scotlands People and A*try.
also, I have a publication giving details of all footballers who played in the League 189- -1939.
Simon has other sources :)
I'll have another look for the Sherry/Kelly ancestors tomorrow.
Best regards
Gadget (who's ancestors were footballers too!)
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Hi John
I'm glad to have been some help
Mary Fishwick married Alexander Patterson Sherry in 1929 (Sep Qtr) at St.Cuthberts Church, Fulwood, Preston.
If you and your father would like to be my guest at a PNE match, you would be very welcome
Simon
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Hannah Sherry, m.s. Kelly. died Cumbernauld , Feb 6th 1890, aged 38. Her parents were Bernard Kelly, a fish hawker and Hannah, m.s. King. Both deceased.
Gadget
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John Sherry (m to Hannah Kelly) is eluding me at the moment. He said he was born Cadder, LKS but I can't locate him there. It could be that his earliest memories where there.
This is the most likely at the moment on the 1851 Census:
21 Muir Street, Hamilton, Lanarkshire
647 ED 2A Household No. 24
John Sherry, 21, labourer, b. Down, Ireland
Eliza, 30, b. Down, Ireland
John,3, b. Stirlingshire
Margaret, 1, b. Hamilton
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thanks to all you folks for your assitance
my dad is not able to get about easy
but I think he will be thrilled to hear the stuff
you have given me
I hope to see him early next week
many thanks
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Hello John Sherry,
I grew up in Banknock in the 1940s and an (Agnes, I think) Sherry was in my class with our teacher Miss 'Chookie' Morrison at the local Primary School where my father JNK Henderson was headmaster.
An Alex Sherry was in the class about 3 years above me ... and as I recall he was a great footballer .... and I seem to remember that the Sherry family lived along in Coneypark, near Murchies' Farm.
I have a digitised class photo with the Sherry lassie in the front row that you can have if this is your Sherry family.
Cheers,
John Henderson [DDJJAKE on rootschat]
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Hi John thanks for your reply I remember reading about your childhood on the net it is great to hear from you I particularly remember you talking about 'bumpy ibrox' the field out the back of your house.
I went to that school for a few years in the early 60's
You are correct about the family staying in Coneypark near murchies farm my parents still live in that area. The Alex Sherry that was good at football is my uncle Alex he played for Airdrie. He also still lives in the area with with his wife Irene.
My Aunt Margaret is in the picture that you mention and I would like a copy of it if possible
hope to speak soon and thanks again
John Sherry
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Hi John,
Would you have any Sherrys in Stirling?
There's a stone in Holy Rude Churchyard bearing the following MI:
"Here lie the mortal remains of ISABELLA McQUADE wife of Daniel Sherry, Merchant, Stirling
Who died on the 18th day of February 1854 aged 65 years
JOHN SHERRY died 27th August 1877 aged 50 years
DANIEL SHERRY died 22nd September 1880 aged 89 years
MARY MOONEY wife of Daniel Sherry died 17th November 1907"
Piccy available if it's of interest.
Anne
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Thanks to all that have read and assisted with this thread
I visited my dad tonight John Sherry aged about 76 he and my mother Margaret still
live in the area and he loved discussing the roots information.
I also visited My Uncle Alex and aunt Irene they also live in the area and are in their
70's Alex was also very interested. My Uncle Alex is the person that John DJJake mentions
being the good footballer he played for Airdrie son of the Alex Sherry I first mentioned.
John Sherry
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Hi John
I'm glad we were all able to help :)
Do you realise that this has started me doing Matt Busby's tree. I've got his family back to the early 1800s in Ireland so far. It's all very interesting.
Thank you for asking about this :)
Gadget
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HI
I am the webmaster of the site www.om1899.com (History of the Olympic of Marseille)
I look for the date of death of the player Sherry Patersson, after to complete his index card
Thank you for your assistant
very good Christmas
Regard
Philippe - www.om1899.com
:)
Sorry for my english but I'm french