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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Cardiganshire => Wales => Cardiganshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: brawd houdini on Monday 18 August 08 12:03 BST (UK)
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Hello Everybody,
Looking for anybody with easy access to Nantcwnlle Parish records.The period I,m looking for is between roughly 1650-1800,and I'm interested in anything to do with surname Griffiths.I have my personal tree going back to 1773 and also a Pedigree document stretching from 1700 back to 1200.As you can see there is a gap of roughly 70 years,however I could do with documented evidence either side of this to prove and validate the connection between my tree and the document.
I would also be interested in anything to do with Griffiths,for these dates in the surrounding parishes as I have family in several of these,ie Llanddewi Brefi,Trefilan,Llanfihangel Ystrad,Llanbadarn Odwyn,Llangeitho and Llanbadarn Trefeglwys.
I have,nt seen any Parish records before now so I don't really know what to expect in terms of information from them,so I would be interested in any other documentation for this period as regards the above.
Thank you,Diolch yn fawr,
Regards,brawd houdini
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think you may be out of luck for earlier years in Nantcwnlle - they don't seem to go much before 1763 according to this
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CGN/Nancwnlle/
This gives a summary of what you might expect to find in parish registers at various dates
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,54385.0.html
You could always ask the archives in Aberystwyth - they're very helpful
http://archifdy-ceredigion.org.uk/
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Hello Osprey,
Thanks for the pointers-the Genuki site I'm familiar with,but the forum was very useful and gives an idea of what to expect.
As to the Archives,since posting this I've found that some records regarding Nantcwnlle are apparently held in the Records office in Carmarthen for some reason.However I think It's time to approach both offices to see what's available.
I do have some detail up to about 1709 but again it's not exactly what I'm looking for.I posted this more in the hope of finding someone with knowledge of the family or the area as I've had some success with this approach in the past.
Maybe you're aware that there was a Dioscesian Registry in Carmarthen?If you are is this a separate office to the Public Records office?
Another answer might lie in the records of both Quakers and Baptists.Do you know where I might come across these?
Sorry for the 1,000 and 1 questions,but I guess if you don't ask you don't get!!
Thanks once again for being helpful.Diolch yn Fawr Iawn.
Regards,David
Ps does your name come from the rugby team or the bird-I'm a supporter of both!!!!!
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There's no mention of baptists or quakers on the Genuki page for Nantcwnlle, but they could have gone elsewhere to worship. I have baptists from Pembs, and I've come to a halt because of lack of records. There are original records for that church in the NLW in Aberystwyth which I've seen, but they don't go any further back than 1795. The only mentions of children are at baptism and there's no clue as to how old they are, but probably upwards of 15 and rarely linked to parents. No marriages because they would have been in the parish church. ::)
I've not come across the Diocesian Registry in Carmarthen. I'd give the record offices a go to start off with.
There are some searchable non-conformist records online, but be warned they can work out to be expensive especially with a common name.
http://www.bmdregisters.co.uk/
Bit more
http://www.llgc.org.uk/index.php?id=486
Hope something here helps
:D
ps, fond of the bird as well, but it was the team that inspired my name.
;D
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Ok,Thanks osprey will keep looking.Let you know when I find something.
Looking forward to the new season-Ospreys to lift the Heineken Cup?Let's hope so!!!!!!
Regards,David
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I am searching for David Griffiths born c1730-40. I thought he must be descended from Griffith John Griffith but his sons apparently went to Pennsylvania. Can anyone help ?
Michael
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I am searching for David Griffiths born c 1730-40. I thought he must be descended from Griffith John Griffith but apparently his sons went to Pennsylvania. Can anyone help ?
Michael
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Hello MLD,
Not all of Griffith John Griffiths' sons went to Pennsylvania,only the ones involved in the altercation with the Vicar of Llanddewi Brefi.I might be able to help you but before I can commit to a definite answer I could do with more information, If you have any.There are 2 distinct Patriarchal lines in my Griffiths tree,
one carries the name John,the other David.If the David you seek is the oldest son,or maybe even the
second son then I should be able to trace him.Do you know where your David was born and when he
was born?What is your source for the information you already have?
Answers to these questions will help disclose his identity.As far as my records are concerned I have a
narrow gap that so far I have'nt been able to bridge,but I might be able to trace your David anyway.
Regards,
brawd houdini
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Hello
This is the one area of my family tree on which I have got stuck so I would greatly appreciate any help at all.
My ancestor Arthur Wolseley of Aberystwyth married Jane Griffiths who was born about 1766. I cannot find the marriage or her baptism. He was the son of a baronet and is said to have married the daughter of "David Griffiths Esq. of Tregaron". He must have come from a family of some substance.
I am afraid that that is all I know.
Michael
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brawd houdini,
I too am related to Griffiths from that part of Cardiganshire. I descend from Thomas Griffiths (b. c1786) who was a cattle drover. His son Griffith (b. 1827) owned the Stag's Head Inn from at least 1861-1881. Griffith's daughter Catherine Davies (b.c 1854) and her husband Thomas Davies and family were at Stag's Head in 1891. I think my Thomas (b. c1786) died at Tynrhos near Stag's Head, where another Thomas Griffiths (b. c1830), son of Griffith Griffiths (b.c1799) of Berwyn and Croes, lived in about 1851. I think that Griffith Griffiths (b.c 1799) could be related to my Thomas (b. c1786). I also have always wondered if my Thomas (b. c1786) was related to the Griffiths who went to Pennsylvania. I have included my blog link: http://cgn-griffiths.blogspot.com (http://cgn-griffiths.blogspot.com), which has more info on descendants and a map of where my Griffiths lived. I look forward to hearing from you to see if our families might be connected.
Regards,
David Williams
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Hello David,
Sorry for the late reply,hopefully what I have to relate might make up for it!Firstly are you aware of 'The Griffiths Pedigree'?This was a document produced by an American descendant of the Griffiths brothers who fled to Pennsylvania.It contains quite an exhaustive list of their ancestors back as far as the 1200's.If you type Griffiths Pedigree on Google this should come up,or try looking it up in Google books.Sadly this gives little information regarding the Cardigan shire Griffiths' beyond about 1700.Some of the Griffiths brothers siblings remained in Cardiganshire and I believe I am related through these.I have traced my tree as far back as 1773 but at this moment have struck a brick wall and am unable to go back any further so can't produce anything to link my tree to the Pedigree other than the the old Welsh custom of naming 1st-born sons after their paternal Grandfather.If we apply this then there is a definite connection.
I know there were connections between the Griffiths family and Llanddewi Brefi especially Coedmawr farm.I know also of a connection to do with Tynrhos,Llangeitho,so it seems likely that we have some connection.Do you know where your Thomas Griffith[b.1786] was born?Also do you know where your Griffith Griffiths[b.1799] was born?If we could trace the background to these two then maybe we could find some answers to both our quests!Both Thomas and Griffith are used as Christian names in the pedigree so there is every likelyhood you too have a connection.Let me know what you think,it might also help if you could let me know of Thomas and Griffith's descendants.I have come across drovers from Olmarch who I thought might be connected are you related to these?
Regards,David Griffiths
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Hi All,
Sorry to intrude but just a note to say I live in the old 'Stags Head' pub (now known as Hendrewen House) and stumbled on your entries whilst researching the history of the house & its occupants. Would anyone know the fate of Thomas & Catherine Davies after 1891 as I can find no later record of them and the Rowland family were in residence by 1893.
Tony.
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Hi I don't know if any of you can help me, but i am also searching the Griffiths family William Griffiths 1775 he put his place of birth as Llanybyther on the census but for one where he put Abergorlech, Can anyone tell me if they have come across any other Griffith's from this village? I believe his father may have been John Griffiths and I now there was a brother Thomas Griffiths who's son John died aged 9 in Abergorlech.
I know that Abergorlech is on the frindge of Cardiganshire.
Does anyone know where the chapel records may be kept for this parish?
Family names seem to be William, David, Thomas, John,
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Dear Brawd Houdini,
I think we may have the same problem. I traced my family tree back to an Evan Griffith in Llandewi brefi in 1754, and I'm aware of The Griffiths Pedigree and Rees Griffiths in 1711, but can't bridge the gap.
Would you like to exchange notes and ideas? We may be related.......
Regards,
Evan
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Hello Evan,
Thanks for replying to this post and the other Re.Evans connections.It seems as if we are both at the same brick wall.The Griffiths Pedigree gives
us a lot of information but it mostly[and rightly so] concerns itself with the American relations post the Griffiths brothers flight to America.I have been able to
trace my lineage back to 1778 but the link to The Pedigree cannot be confirmed as the Nantcwnlle Parish records for the 1700's are "missing"!
Maybe I am reading too much into this but it seems strange that after the event and the subsequent flight to America the Griffiths Family go from
being wealthy landowners to being tenant farmers of reduced means.Was there some Property confiscated in recompense to the Vicar of Llanddewi[at the
time he would have been a powerful man] or was there some actions of a devious nature?You have to say it has all the plot of a powerful novel!
However I digress,the reality is that so far the connection is not proven through official document.Through the old Welsh way [before the English
surnames turned everything upside down] there is a connection as the names of the Grandfather ,Father,Grandson,it all checks out,in regards to the time scale as well.The religious side as well makes sense as I know that the Griffiths family that I can trace were strong Non-conformists and they definitely had
fiery temperaments!There is also this connection to Llanddewi Brefi.Nantcwnlle Parish came under Llanddewi at this time,hence the Griffiths brothers paying their Tithes there.I am certain that there remains a connection both in Property and in Family terms between the Griffiths families of both Parishes ,and that there is also some connection to the Parishes of Tregaron and Llangeitho,so there is a strong possibility that we are related.
We need to exchange notes and ideas as you suggest,perhaps you can PM me and we can progress from there.Any difficulty let me know on here.
Regards,David Griffiths
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Errrr, PM you?
What does that mean?
If I can send you my email address, or you can send me yours, I can send you my notes on my family tree.
I had a half-hearted attempt at looking at the Wills for the Griffiths family prior to their emigration. I think I tracked down a few later members of the family, but it was all a bit unsystematic......
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Sorry Evan-PM is Personal Message that is an e-mail that is not in the public domain.I have sent you an e-mail to explain.
Regards,David
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David/Evan, if I may join this thread...
The American branch of the Griffiths family from Llandewi brefi is well represented in our Griffith DNA project, with descendants of three of the sons of Griffith Griffiths. We would be delighted to add to our project cousins descended from his brothers William or John, as well as those families who chose to remain in Wales. Y-DNA tests can definitively establish whether or not two male lines share a common paternal ancestry. Please contact me at admin@dna.rdgriffith.com to compare notes.
Robert D. Griffith
Project Administrator
Griffi(th)(n)(s)(ng) Surname DNA Project
http://www.griffith.dna.rdgriffith.com