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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Staffordshire => Topic started by: dizzliz on Monday 18 August 08 00:12 BST (UK)
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Hi there looking for any other info on the following please James Harvey born 1820
Elizabeth Harvey born 1821
James Harvey born 1840
Jane Harvey born 1848
Thomas Harvey born 1853
Richard Harvey born 1855
Charles Harvey born 1857
John Harvey born 1858
this is from 1871 census but cant find out anymore than this if any one can find out anything it would be appreciated thank you
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Hi dizzliz
This might be them :-
1861 Census England Staffordshire Harborne
RG9/2126/104/19
Hill Street
HARVEY
Elizabeth Head Wid 78 Housekeeper Famlouth Somerset
Elizabeth Son's Wife Marr 41 Northumberland Newcastle
William Son Unmarr 14 Boiler Maker Staffordshire Smethwick
Joseph Son Unmarr 11 Rivet Maker Stafforshire Smethwick
Thomas Son Unmarr 9 Scholar Staffordshire Smethwick
Richard Son Unmarr 7 Scholar Staffordshire Smethwick
Charles Son Unmarr 5 Scholar Staffordshire Smethwick
John Son Unmarr 3 Scholar Staffordshire Smethwick
Cheers
Karenlee
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And again
1851 Census England Staffordshire Harborne
HO107/2050/304/11
New Street
HARVEY
James Head Marr 31 Engineer Middlesex Poplar
Elizabeth Wife Marr 30 Glass Smoother Northumberland Newcastle
Elizabeth Mother Wid 67 Cornwall
James Son Unmarr 11 Glass Grinder Middlesex Poplar
Mary Ann Dau Unmarr 8 Scholar Middlesex Poplar
William Son Unmarr 5 Scholar Staffordshire Smethwick
Jane Dau Unmarr 3 Scholar Staffordshire Smethwick
Joseph Son Unmarr 1 Staffordshire Smethwick
Karenlee
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This is the most likely entry for 1841 that I could find :-
1841 Census England Middlesex St Anne Limehouse Limehouse
HO107/701/13/19
Gill Street
HARVEY
Elizabeth 20 Glass Smoother No
James 20 Blacksmith Yes
James 2 Yes
Elizabeth 2mths Yes
Karenlee
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Hi Karlene we know that in 1871 James was age 52, Elizabeth age 50, James age 31, Jane age 23, Thomas age 18, Richard age 16, Charles age 14, John age 13, we also know that James born 1820 was an engineer, and that Thomas, Richard, Chalres and John were Puddlers
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from 1871 on wards we can find out nothing dont know if any of them married the only other info we know is that John born staffordshire got married in new zealand in 1888 i have done every shipping list i can find to no avail to know when how many or what boat he came on
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Hi Karlene we know that in 1871 James was age 52, Elizabeth age 50, James age 31, Jane age 23, Thomas age 18, Richard age 16, Charles age 14, John age 13, we also know that James born 1820 was an engineer, and that Thomas, Richard, Chalres and John were Puddlers
Well that would make the family in 1861 a real possibility then, given the ages of the children... Thomas is 9, Richard is 7, Charles is 5, and John is 3.
Same for the 1851 with a Jane aged 3 ( born about 1848 ) and James aged 11 ( born about 1841 ).
John may well have gone to Australia first then onto NZ. Lots of people did that.... I have several in my tree. Makes it difficult to trace the shipping if they did. Some records remain for Trans Tasman shipping lists from Melbourne, Sydney and Tasmania so you might like to look there as well.
Cheers
Karenlee
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Here is 1881 for John http://www.rootschat.com/links/043k/
RG11 Piece 2878 Folio 142 Page 32
74 Wood Street, Dudley, Worcestershire
Elizabeth Harvey 60 head, wid, Northumberland Newcastle
John Harvey 23, son, unmar, fitter, Smethwick, Staffordshire
Cas
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They had one lodger and one visitor living with them at this tim
James Mason 20
William Tavenor 13
Elizabeth Death was registered in 1889 in Stone.
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hey familydigger
thanks for the info its really appreciated every little bit helps to fill in the gaps i just wish i knew what ha;pened to the family who they married etc but hey one day at a time
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Hi FamilyDigger, Karenlee has found the correct family. All details fit with the 1871
1871 transcribed as Haney
RG10 Piece 3013 Folio 72 Page 11
129, Stourbridge Rd, Dudley, Worcestershire
1881 Elizabeth is a widow, with son John
Cas
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There is a James HARVEY in Dudley, Worcestershire born Middlesex on the 1881 Census. Wonder if it's the right one :-
1881 Census England Worcestershire Dudley
RG11/2878/29/7
2 Dock Lane
HARVEY
James Head Marr 40 Engine Man at Works London
Fanny Wife Marr 38 Stafford Pensett?
Laura G Dau Unmarr 3 Worcester ?
Ethel Dau Unmarr 2 Worcester ?
Harriett GRANGER Mother in Law Wid 67 Shropshire Byrnes Lane
Karenlee
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One of the brothers, living at same address as mother & brother John in 1881
1871 - RG10 Piece 3013 Folio 122 Page 62
74 Wood Street, Dudley, Worcester
William Harvey 24 head, engine driver, Smethwick, Staffordshire
Silvey Harvey 21 wife, Kingswinford, Staffs
Elizabeth Harvey 1 dau Harts Hell, Staffs
William Brown 50 lodger
Possible Marriage Mar 1869
Bees Elizabeth Stourbridge 6c 193
Harvey William Stourbridge 6c 193
Lees Thomas Stourbridge 6c 193
Malpus Silvia Stourbridge 6c 193
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This looks like the Joseph born 1850 :-
1881 Census England Worcestershire Dudley
RG11/2878/150/47
79 Stourbridge Road
HARVEY
Joseph Head Marr 31 Core Make Iron Works Staffordshire Smethwick
Mary A Wife Marr 28 Worcestershire Dudley
Richard Son Unmarr 7 Worcestershire Dudley
Joseph Son Unmarr 5 Worcestershire Dudley
Ellen Dau Unmarr 3 Worcestershire Dudley
Flora Dau Unmarr 2 Worcestershire Dudley
Blanche Dau Unmarr 5mths Worcestershire Dudley
Karenlee
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1881 - RG11 Piece 2896 Folio 58 Page 5
High St, Kingswinford, Staffordshire
Thomas Harvey 26 Engine Driver, Smethwich, Staffordshire
Maryann Harvey 21 wife, Staffs, Quarry bank ?
Possible Marriages Dec 1879
HARVEY Thomas Stourbridge 6c 274
STREET MARY ANN Stourbridge 6c 274
STREET Mary Anne Stourbridge 6c 274
Cas
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have a photocopy of the wedding of John in 1888 in Petone Wellington New Zealand , names his parents as James Harvey and Elizabeth Harvey (nee Miller) but from all accounts James and Elizabeth were the generation above James born in 1840 is it possible that the two James Harveys could of married two different Elizabeth Millers
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John HARVEY born 1858 and James HARVEY born 1840 were brothers. Their parents were James HARVEY and Elizabeth nee MILLER.
Does that sound right?
Karenlee
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Possible for Jane
Marriages Jun 1871
BRADNEY Benjamin Stourbridge 6c 294
Gee Elizabeth Stourbridge 6c 294
Harvey Jane Stourbridge 6c 294
SHAW Edwin Stourbridge 6c 294
1881 - RG11 Piece 2879 Folio 30 Page 13
Dudley, Worcestershire
http://www.rootschat.com/links/043l/
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This looks like parents marriage, which would put James 1840 and John 1858 as brothers. Only one that came up for these names, from start of registration to date on freebmd
Marriages Sep 1839
CLARK William Obadiah Poplar 2 301
Edie Elizabeth Campbell Poplar 2 301
Elliott John Ralph Poplar 2 301
Graves Mary Ann Poplar 2 301
Harvey James Poplar 2 301
MACMURRAY John Poplar 2 301
MILLER Elizabeth Poplar 2 301
Parnett Charlotte Poplar 2 301
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There are a couple of baptisms for James and Elizabeth's children on the IGI ......
Charles Henry HARVEY 18 may 1856 Harborne Staffordshire
Thomas HARVEY 22 Aug 1852 Smethwick Staffordshire
Joseph HARVEY 31 Mar 1850 Smethwick Staffordshire
Jane HARVEY 12 Mar 1848 Smethwick Staffordshire
Karenlee
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hey everybody thanks so so much you are all wonderful you have filled in so many gaps thanks heaps
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James Harvey, my great great great grandfather was born in August 1819, and married Elizabeth Miller in Poplar in July - September 1839 - Cas (Stallic has the same reference as me). The censuses show a string of children (and birth dates are approx), James (1839/1840), Elizabeth (1841, but may have died before 10th birthday), Mary Ann (1843), William (1846/1847, my gggf), Jame 1848), Joseph (1850), Thomas (1852), Richard (1854/1855), Charles (1856/1857), and John (1858).
William Harvey's wife was Sylvia Malpass (on birth cert, not the various names shown in censuses). Their son William Harvey (b 9 July 1875) married Annie Clayton in Bradford though her real name was Anne E Mycock). Their daughter Sylvia Harvey was born on 21 July 1895 in Shipley, and her daughter is my mother.
Small world isn't it. I have info on the Malpass family if needed, and limited info on James's cornish ancestors.