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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Sligo => Topic started by: seira on Sunday 17 August 08 15:45 BST (UK)
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Hello
I am looking for Birth records for John Flannery born c1854/55 and Ellen Killcurran born c1855/56.
I know they came from Sligo, don't know which part.
I have an 1891 census showing them living in Liverpool and having 4 children.
I think they married in Liverpool, not sure.
They are my great grandparents.
Would love as much info as possible.
Many thanks
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Welcome to Rootschat but I'm afraid it's very difficult to search for Irish family information without knowing where in Ireland the family lived (parish if not actual townland not just the county or 'Ireland' is needed to track down church records (if they exist), valuation records, etc.).
Civil registration of births in Ireland began in 1864 and before that date there will be no birth certificate available.
You think they married in Liverpool- have you looked for their marriage in English indexes? that would be the first place to start. The marriage certificate will probably just give you the names of the fathers but will not list a birthplace or other details to start searching in Irish records.
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http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlsli/
This is an interesting web site if you have Sligo roots. I was looking through it recently for a nephew
Gatacre
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Is this them?
1891 RG12/2921/72/5
John Flannery 34 dock lab b Drommore (Dromore N Ireland?)
Ellen 35 b Ballara
John 7
James 4
Sarah 2
Mary 3 mths
children b Liverpool
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1901 RG13/3424/133/28 Frances St, Liverpool
John Flanning 41 bootmaker b Ireland
Ellen 44 b Ireland
John 16 app painter
James 14 app painter
Sarah 12
Mary 10
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It looks like there are 3 townlands named Dromore (one of the most popular Irish plcenames) in County Sligo.
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To Silvery
Many thanks
Yes this is them
Hopefully i can find a bit more info
Cheers
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Can't see the marriage on freebmd, or lancashirebmd.
Aghadowey, would it be worth looking in the indexes for Ireland at say, the LDS centre?
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Almost forgot to mention other place of birth (Ellen's) mentioned in 1891 census: Ballara. Could it be Ballard instead?
Found the following in Co. Sligo (both in Poor Law Union of Dromore West):
Ballard in civil parish of Dromard
Dromore in civil parish of Kilmacshalgan
Irish marriages not available online as English ones are. Oldest child in 1891 census was born c1884 so you probably need to search a few years either side of that date at the very least. Most LDS libraries only stock a limited number of microfilms of certain records and if the indexes have to be ordered it can take a while to get the correct ones.
If you follow the links on the top of the Sligo board there might be some Co. Sligo records online that could help:
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,76.0.html
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Didn't I read on here at one time that the Irish BMDs were at the Liverpool LDS centre, or is it only the Belfast one?
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Not sure what holdings are in Belfast or Liverpool. You can always ring your local LDS centre and ask.
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Hello to aghadoewy
The Information that I have is that John and Ellen nee killcurran were born in Ireland, John in Dromore and Ellen in Ballara.
married c1883/84
John born about 1857, Ellen about 1856.
many thanks
Seira
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The Information that I have is that John and Ellen nee killcurran were born in Ireland, John in Dromore and Ellen in Ballara.
married c1883/84
John born about 1857, Ellen about 1856.
What's the source giving the birthplaces? If from some sort of English records it could be that the places have been mis-unerstood and written down incorrectly.
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To aghadowey.
Re your question as to how I got the information.
It came originally from silvery and then I looked on the 1891 census and there they were.
I take it I am unlikely to find birth certificates from this.
I had a look in the irish phone book and found some flannery people there, do you think it's worth my writing to them in case they may be related, even though it may be a long shot.
Many thanks
seira
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If birthplaces from 1891 English census there's every chance the names of the birthplaces are spelt incorrectly.
As I mentioned before civil registration of births in Ireland began in 1864 and there are no birth certificates before this date.
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Hello-
This is very interesting, in an earlier post from seira dealing with this topic, she said that Ellen Flannery's maiden name was Kilcullen. This may be the same person that I am looking for. I had been looking for a Collins family from the Parish of Skreen, Sligo Ireland. Through some extensive searching (I obtained the church marriage records for Thomas and Ellen and the baptismal record for their children James and Ellen from Sligo, Ire), I learned that the name changed to Collins at some point and the family was actually the Kilcullen's. My great grandfather is James Kilcullen, he had one sister, Ellen Kilcullen. They were the children of Thomas Kilcullen and Ellen Rafferty. The story I was told is that their father Thomas died as a result of an accident in the mid to late 1850's. His wife re-married a John Nealis. Ellen Rafferty and John Nealis had five children. These were the half-siblings to James and Ellen. I have a copy of a letter that Ellen sent to James in 1886. It was postmarked in Liverpool and she signed it John and Ellen Flannery. I would be very interested to get any information regarding Ellen Kilcullen who married John Flannery that I could. Thank you for your help.
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Hello
John and Ellen had 4 children, John, James, Sarah and Mary.
Mary was my Grandmother.
All the children were born in Liverpool, England.
They are on the 1891 census living in Islington, Liverpool.
Ellen was born c1855/56 in Ballara, County Mayo, Ireland.
I know they went to America but don't know when and I know one of the boys went to Scotland and died there.
Hope this helps.
Best wishes
Seira
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Thank you for the information Seira, however, I don't think this is the sister to my great grandfather. I really had hoped that it was. The Ellen Kilcullen that I am looking for was born in Laragh, Parish of Skreen, County Sligo. Her baptismal record lists her date of birth as June 20, 1853.
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Sorry that I'm not the one, but if anyone out there thinks they may be able to help me, please reply.
Seira
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:) :) :)Hi i just thought i would ask if you have a mary .e flannery in your tree as i have and she married my joseph page from ruddington nottingham his birth year was 1863 civil parish widness ecclesiastical parish :st luke
town widness
island lancashire country;england
also marys second name was ellen flannery
registration of marriage was 1888
quarter of registation :oct-nov-dec district west derby
county lancashire
volume :8b
page 524 spouse joseph page
Danone what i will do is go back to my tree and have a look at her birth date and then come back here
Danone
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:) :) :)mary flannery born liverpool 1869
Danone
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Hello Danone
Sorry but my Mary Flannery is not yours.
Mine does not have a middle name and although was born in Liverpool the year is 1890.
happy hunting
seira
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Hi my name is Andy Flannery.I seem to have got to the same point as you with John and Ellen.They were also my gg grandparents so we must be related somewhere down the line.Could you get in touch so we can exchange info and hopefully fill in some blanks in our family trees.
I look forward to hearing from you soon
Andy flannery
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Hello Andy
The info I have is John was born either 1856 or 1860 not sure which in Drummore, county Sligo, Ireland.
He married Ellen Kilcurran in 1883/84.
Ellen was born in Ballara, county Mayo 1855/56.
I don't know if they were married in Ireland or England.
They are on the 1891 census as living 59 Birkett Street, Liverpool.
They had 4 children, John, James, Sarah and Mary.
Mary was my grandmother.
A family member tols me that John jnr went to Scotland and died there.
I have no info regarding the remaining children.
I hope this helps.
Best wishes
Seira
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Hi Andy
There are quite a few Flannerys around the Sligo / Mayo / Roscommon border, and the border was "adjusted" which can often add to the excitement of finding the right townland. We have established the genetic signature for a number of Flannery families in the area, and you would be very welcome to compare Y-chromosomes (see our website for details of the Flannery Clan Y-DNA Project).
Regards
Lorcán J. O'Flannery
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Hi Seira thanks for getting back so soon. Your g/mother Mary's brother John was my gg grandfather(which i think makes you and my dad second cousins!)I have a copy of Marys birth cert born 13 December 1890 as well as Sarah and Johns but not James as i cant find anything to do with him .John did not go to Scotland as you were told and in fact stayed in Liverpool as did all his desendants. I wonder if in fact it was James who went to Scotland!Also do you know any more about the Flannerys who went to America as my dad told me he heard 2 brothers went but knows nothing about it. Would it be possible to let me know the details of Marys marriage and death so i can fill them in on my branch.. Many Thanks
Andy Flannery
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Hi Andy
My wife Dorothy has important information for you. Can you contact her please.
Tony
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