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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Somerset => Topic started by: Old Bristolian on Saturday 16 August 08 12:04 BST (UK)
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Is there a kind soul who lives close enough to Stanton Drew to check a memorial in the churchyard please. I hope to get there in the next 6 months or so, but if possible I would love to have confirmation of an inscription sooner.
It has been described as an obelisk:
"In loving memory of George Rogers who died May 15th 1889 aged 74......"
Lower down it may have:
"Also in memory of Phoebe Isabella Rogers
Granddaughter of George & Phoebe Rogers
Who was drowned in the Avon, Bath...."
I would like confirmation that it does say "granddaughter" & not "daughter"
Steve
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I live 10 miles from Stanton Drew so I can go over for you, but I'll probably wait until my children are back at school in a couple of weeks, if that's okay. :)
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Janet
Thank you so much for your kind offer - there is certainly no rush - I'm sure you'll need a rest after the summer holidays!
Steve
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Fortunately my husband and children are tolerant of my
obsession hobby so we stopped by on our way out to the coast today!
Unfortunately the batteries in my camera made this a good time to decide to run out (they were only put in yesterday too ??? ) so the pictures I've taken aren't brilliant quality as I had to use my mobile phone.
Anyway, to confirm what you wished to know, the inscription reads 'daughter' and not 'granddaughter'.
IN LOVING MEMORY OF
PHOEBE ISABELLA ROGERS
BELOVED DAUGHTER OF GEORGE AND PHOEBE ROGERS
WHO WAS DROWNED IN THE AVON
AT BATH BY THE CAPSIZING OF A BOAT
JULY 6 1888
AGED 19 YEARS
"In the midst of life we are in death"
I've cobbled together a picture for you from three smaller ones I took - it doesn't line up but gives you an idea of what it looks like. I've also attached a picture of the entire obelisk.
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f235/JanetSerenaPics1/Family%20Tree/StantonDrew-Rogers-entireheadstone1.jpg)
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f235/JanetSerenaPics1/Family%20Tree/StantonDrew-Rogers3.jpg)
I took quite a few photos (some of the church) - if you're interested, they're here...
http://s48.photobucket.com/albums/f235/JanetSerenaPics1/Family%20Tree/
You might need to go to page 2 or 3 to find them!
I'm not sure if you need this or not, but there is a plaque on the opposite side to the one about the drowning.
IN MEMORY OF
GEORGE ROGERS
SOUTH AFRICA AIR FORCE
KILLED IN ITALY
APRIL 7 1944
There is also a headstone next to the obelisk which contains more 'Rogers' inscriptions, if you're interested?
Please feel free to save and keep any of the photographs, if you wish. :)
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Dear Janet
Thank you so much for the super photos & information. It certainly clears up the question of Phoebe Isabella's parentage - I took the original details of the insciption from a message posted on another forum (!) & only doubted them when I applied for her birth certificate.
I hope to go to Stanton Drew myself one day (a bit down my list of priorities as only the mother - Phoebe Ann is my direct ancestor, and she's buried in Lancashire), so seeing all the monuments is fabulous - I'm not sure how the other Rogers fit into the family (apart from George, who was Phoebe Ann's husband).
Thanks once again for taking the trouble
Steve
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Janet,
I've just tried to view the photos in Photobucket, but a password is required - do I need to open an account or is this a private password for your albums only?
Steve
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For some reason, the album setting was on 'Private' (I don't remember changing it!) - I've made it 'Public' so fingers crossed it should work now.
http://s48.photobucket.com/albums/f235/JanetSerenaPics1/Family%20Tree/
Please let me know if it's still not working and I'll have a regig when we get home tonight. :)
ETA: It's a beautiful church (if you like that sort of thing and do get an opportunity to visit) and we were pleasantly surprised to find it unlocked!
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Thanks again Janet - that's done the trick!
It does look a lovely church - i must bring my visit forward - I do have other ancestors from the Chew Magna area, so if I can persuade my OF to tramp round a few more graveyards......
Steve
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hi i was just wondering if when you went to stanton drew if you saw any cobb's there i do know that a branch of my famley lived there but i am unshore who is who at the moment if you have any ancers please contact me thanks
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Hi
I certainly visited Stanton Drew last year, but only looked for & photographed my Rogers interests. I have checked for you on the Somerset Hundreds site & there are Cobbs there in the PR transcripts - a family headed by William (bur 16 Aug 1867 aged 69) & Jane (bur 31 Jan 1869 aged 75). Also other baptisms & burials. I suggest if you have any interests in Somerset to join the group (free of charge - just register ) and you will have access to a wide range of transcripts. I believe most of the records are on FreeReg as well
Regards
Steve
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Hello Steve
I’m sending this post to you because I have some information about Phoebe Isabella Rogers, known as Bella that you may well find fascinating.
Only yesterday I was photographing a broadsheet newspaper article concerning her. I had to shoot the article in several frames, then patch them together in Photoshop to make sure that the print would be legible in the final image. Once I’d completed this I was intrigued to find some information about the Stanton Drew churchyard, so looked it up in Google. The link took me directly to your enquiry about her. How weird is that? Hence my username: happenstance.
I’ve only registered on this forum because I feel I should share this information with you.
She was buried at 12.30pm on Tuesday 10th July 1888.
Family members present at the funeral were: Mr G Rogers (father), Mrs Sage (sister), Mr J Gait Rogers (brother), Alice Maud Rogers (sister), Mrs Branfield (sister), Mr Branfield (brother in law), Mrs Dillridge (sister), Mr Dillridge (brother in law), Mr and Mrs P Hillman (cousins) and Miss Bush (cousin).
The coffin - polished oak with brass fittings was carried by four cousins: William Rogers, Walter Bush, T Membery and Wallington.
Background info. Our families have come into contact before, some 120 years ago. A cousin of mine also died that night, 6th July 1888 trying to save Phoebe Isabella’s life. Another girl, Annie Watts also drowned that evening. It’s a long article (over 2 full-length columns) that contains eye witness accounts, statements from the inquest including one from the only survivor from the boat. It details the whole chain of events from the girls being picked up after work that evening (about 8pm) to the boat capsizing (about 10.15pm) on return from the George Inn at Bathampton, .... I pub I know very well.
Simon
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Hi Simon
Its incredibly kind of you to have taken the trouble to contact me with the information you have - I assume you are a relative then, of William Isaacs who drowned that night along with Phoebe & Annie Watts.
I did not know the full details (only having a summary of the Inquest from the Bristol Advertiser) until last summer, when I went to Bath Library & found micofilm of the Bath & Cheltenham Gazette for the 11th July & 18th July 1888, which gives, practically verbatim, the whole inquest as well as the details of the funeral you have mentioned. I guess that you have the same information - if not, please let me know as I have transcribed the full details & would be happy to share them with you. If your info comes from another source, could you let me know?
Phoebe Isabella was a step-sister of my g grandfather, Stephen Bumstead - he lived in Bristol and I was interested to see if he had attended the funeral, but he does not appear to be mentioned - it may be that the families were estranged, or simply that, in those days, he could not absent himself from work
Once again, thank you for all your trouble
Steve
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Hi Steve
The article was published in the Bath Chronicle, Thursday July 12th 1888. I understand that The Chronicle was a weekly paper at that time.
The background to me finding this article was that I recently visited an 88 year old cousin in Dover (recently discovered by me, although another cousin of mine, also 88, knew her but didn’t know where she fitted into the family tree) who has some very interesting material about my family, including a wonderful Victorian photo album that contains many photos of family members from the 1860s to 1900s, including one of Willie Isaacs. Anyway, within the bag containing the album was a newspaper clipping, cut out at the time I assume by my cousin’s grandmother, an aunt of Willie Isaacs.
As the article was slightly damaged, and there was a piece of correspondence below the article that I didn’t notice at the time I photographed the piece, I’d gone to the Bath library to try to find the original article from the The Bath Herald. The library didn’t have that article but had the one I refer to which had far more detail about the event. The Herald article was from three days after the event and dealt primarily with the recovery of Willie’s body.
You are right, William (Willie) Herbert Isaacs would have been my third cousin. William was one of eight children of Frederick George Isaacs, himself the eldest of fourteen children (ah... the days before tv). My great grandfather was the thirteenth child; the aunt referred to above, the fourteenth.
Simon
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Hi Simon
It seems that we may have info from different sources (your Chronicle, my Gazette) - the Gazette devoted 8 columns (front page, typical Victorian broadsheet, over two issues) to the story & inquest. If you are interested, send me your email address via a PM & I'll send my transcript onto you - it won't make easy reading as the general verdict seemed to be that Willie, although demonstrating considerable bravery in his attempts to save Phoebe, was instrumental in causing the accident.
As a postscript to the story the Rogers family suffered further devastation in the following year - John Gait Rogers, Phoebe's brother, dying in his early thirties and George Rogers passing away too, all in the course of nine months.
Regards
Steve
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Hi Steve
I think I need to make three posts before I can send a PM, so this one should do it...
I was aware of George’s death soon after from one of your earlier posts.
It does appear that the Gazette devoted more ‘column inches’ to the article than The Chronicle. From the Chronicle article I am aware that the reason of the capsize was Willie suddenly standing from a kneeling position causing water to flood the rear of the boat.
I also noted that no member of the Isaacs family appeared to be at the funeral, or was listed in the article as sending a floral wreath.
It will make sense for you to send me the transcript from the articles you have, then if there is any more information in The Chronicle not covered, I can send you the relevant details.
I would imagine there won’t be considering the amount dedicated to the event in your sources.
Simon
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Hi Steve
This is my very first post on RootsChat. I've joined because I've been reading your posts regarding Stanton Drew Graveyard and in particular your reference to Phoebe Isabella Rogers. I was over the moon to be able to pick up the pictures that were sent to you by Janet showing the gravestones and was then able to pick up yet more information for my family tree from them. My great grandmother was Phoebe Ann Gait (Rogers) and her daughter Hannah Selina Rogers (Delbridge) was my great grandmother. If there is any information that I can give you then please do not hesitate to ask. I have a photograph of Hannah Selina should you require a copy.
Regards
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Hello
Reading your post about Phoebe Isabella Rogers, it's interesting to note that the newspaper article from 1888 concerning her funeral must contain an error (details earlier in this chain of posts). Hannah Selina Rogers your great grandmother is referred to as Mrs Dellridge. I imagine from your post that it should have been Mrs Delbridge.
Simon
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Hello again...
Sorry, Hannah Selina was you grandmother, not you great grandmother
Simon
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Hi Pussycat* (or can I just call you Pussycat?)
Thanks for the information - I've always wanted to make contact with a descendant of the Rogers family. I had found Hannah Selena's marriage (Bridgend, 1881) to John Delbridge, who hailed from South Molton in Devon (not a million miles from where I now live) & discovered their seven children (did they have more than that?). I don't know if they are connected, but I know of two present-day John Delbridges, here in North Devon.
I would love a photo of Hannah - I will send you a PM with my email address, so you can forward it. Do you have any other photos? I've always wanted one of Phoebe Ann Rogers (nee Gait), but haven't had any contacts with the Rogers family before.
I am descended from Phoebe's first marriage to Stephen Bumstead (they are my gg grandparents). He died in 1846 & I've never traced her actual marriage to George Rogers (did you know they were almost certainly cousins?) - perhaps you have details of that. I would love any further info you have on the Rogers family - naturally my main research has been directly back on the Gait family - I can give you that (back to c1700) if you don't already have it.
I look forward to hearing from you
Regards
Steve
ps to Happenstance - I noted the difference in names - again I guess it was a typo or journalist's error
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If i can ask if any one is heading back to stanton drew and could take some images of the cobb graves or dowling as i beleve there are some there
thanks