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I'm looking for information regarding my ancestor Sarah (née Francis?) b,. around 1809 in Alberbury, who married Samuel Cowdell (b. 1810 Shrewsbury) (although one census record says Marston, Montgomeryshire). Their children and grandchildren (and great-grandchildren all the way down to today) often have the middle name Francis, so I think that Sarah's maiden name could have been Francis.
I'd like to know what Sarah's maiden name was, and who both of their parents were. Samuel was a "Journeyman Painter" (or Printer?) and Sarah was a "laundress".
Only two children are reported on the censuses (censii?) -- John Francis Cowdell, b. 1834, Margaret Cowdell b 1838, so the marriage of Samuel and Sarah Cowdell was probably on or before 1834.
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Extracted IGI Batch M015753 www.familysearch.org
SAMUEL COWDELL Spouse: SARAH TURNER
Marriage: 22 JUL 1832 Saint Chad, Shrewsbury, Shropshire
Cas
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IGI extracted Batch C015754
Parents Samuel & Sarah Cowdale
JOHN FRANCIS COWDALE - Christening: 11 JUL 1834 Saint Chad, Shrewsbury, Shropshire
MARGARET COWDALE - Birth 24 JUL 1836. Christening: 04 SEP 1836 Saint Chad, Shrewsbury, Shropshire
Cas
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Oh my God, that's FANTASTIC! Thank you so very very much! :D :D
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Cannot find anything on IGI for parents, possibly some may have parish records and have a look for you.
The link given above www.familysearch.org is very useful for family history. Extracted records (those with batch numbers) can be trusted, as they are mainly from church records.
Submitted entries are by individuals and/or LDS, they cannot be trusted, because of possible errors, so need to be verified with other records.
There is also a look up exchange for Salop, possibly Samuel is in some of the directories, or you my get some more parish info, as they have St Chads, not sure what else is there.
http://www.faulkes.co.uk/lookup/salop.htm
Hope this helps :)
Cas
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Dear Cas, this is incredibly helpful. Thank you so much for these resources. I was able to find entries on the family look up site you mentioned for Turners in "Allerbury" -- a Sarah is born in 1802 -- a lot earlier than I expected. I was a bit shocked to see Cowdell as "Cowdale" but that partly explains why I have had so little luck searching so far.
Thank you very very much.
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In the 1841 census they are down as 'Cowdale' It looks like Samuel's mother is Margaret, as she is head. His occ. is J' (journeyman) Painter.
You also may want to correct your title...incase a possible connection spots it on the net. You have 'Thomas' in the title, and 'Samuel' in the body of your message.
On the IGI there are bapts for a Thomas in the same area.
Happy hunting :)
Cas
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Found this, but Sarah seems on census to give her age around 1806
Shropshire: Alberbury - Parish Register, Hereford Diocese
Volume 7.
Baptism 17 Jan 1802 Sarah, illegitimate d. of Mary Turner.
Also there are a lot of submitted entries on IGI that cannot be trusted, as they may be error.
Cas
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That's very ood -- the same day in the same place is also another record for Sarah born to Elizabeth and John Turner. How can you tell which entries are submitted and which are extracted?
Thans for noticing my "Thomas" error. I have it fixed in my mind there is a Thomas in the mix. I'm really happy that you found the "Cowdales" on the 1841 census. The 1841 Cowdells have long eluded me now we know why.
I've found only one Samuel Cowdell (and no Samuel Cowdales), christened in Manafon Wales, 1816. Maybe he wasn't christened for a few years after birth? The 1851 census says he was born in "Marston, Montgomeryshire" -- Marston, Montgomery is in Derbyshire, too far away, but Montgomeryshire makes sense -- I guess Manafon could sound like "Marston" with a lisp (with a lifthp)
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For some reason I"m still not finding them on the 1841 census :(
oh wait, there they are! Transcribed on ancestry.com as "Cowdall"
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This is a submitted entry by the latter day saints, that is why there can be so many entries of the same thing. There may or may not be any truth in the record, so should be treated with caution. Always read what the message states, at the bottom of the entry.
Rule - Submitted treat with caution until you can verify it
Rule - extracted, can be trusted as it comes from church or parish records, has a Batch no.
Sarah TURNER
Birth: Allerbury, Shropshire, England
Christening: 17 JAN 1802 Allerbury, Shropshire, England
Father: Richard Turner Mother: Mrs. Elizabeth Turner
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Record submitted by a member of the LDS Church
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This is a Extracted entry taken from a parish record that is the same as the parish record I posted (so is the same)
Source Information: Batch No P015821
SARAH TURNER
Christening: 17 JAN 1802 Alberbury, Shropshire
Mother: MARY TURNER
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Extracted birth or christening record for locality listed in the record.
If you check the batch no above, there are children born to Richard and Elizabeth Turner, but Sarah is not one of them, the LDS assumed or threw her into this family for good measure ???
Cas
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1841 - HO107 Piece 926 Book 9 Civil Parish St Chad
Image states Cowdale
Transcribed as Saml Cowdall age 30
If you still cannot find it will post details for you.
Tip. When searching, if you cannot find try.... sam* cow* it will bring up all errors after the *
Works for areas, pob as well, but must have at least 3 letters.
Cas
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That's brilliant, thank you!
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Glad to help :)
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I found Margaret in the General cemetery in Shrewsbury. I put the photo on the Find a grave site Memorial ID 272226548 Margaret Cowdell Davies https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/272226548/margaret_davies (https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/272226548/margaret_davies) Her husband John Davies was a glass painter who had a shop at 73 Wyle Cop in Shrewsbury
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Just thinking about place names. There is a small village called Marton halfway between Chirbury and Worthen on the B4386 (52.616237256079216, -3.0531225185744693).
It is close enough to the Welsh border (about 1 mile) to be moved between Shropshire and Montgomeryshire over the years in documents.