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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: bluesky on Wednesday 13 August 08 08:38 BST (UK)
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I am looking for any information at all about Richard Spiers during his time in Australa.
What I know so far is:
He was from Alton, Hampshire, England and was baptised in 1797.
He was a widower with 5 children.
He stole a pig from Charles Trimmer, Esquire, an attorney, sometime in October, 1834.
He was committed on April 11th, 1836, tried at Southampton 2nd Quarter assizes on Jun 28th, 1836 and was sentenced to 7 years transportation.
Some of his children were sent to Alton Workhouse and remained in England.
He sailed from Portsmouth on the Mangles on 18th March, 1837
He arrived in Sydney on 10th July, 1837, (presumably at Port Jackson?)
I have a photocopy of his ticket of leave, No. 42/1167 Date - 19th April 1842. Prisoner No. -37/1220. Ship- Mangles '7', Master - Carr, Year - 1837, Place of Trial - Southampton, Date of Trial - 28th June, 1836, Sentence - 7 years, Allowed to remain in the district of Port Stephens. On recommendation of - initials (illegible) dated 1841.
What other details are there about him?
Where was he sent on arrival? Did he have an assigned Master?
Does he appear in the 1837 Muster of Convicts?
What did he do in Port Stephens?
Did he remarry?
What did he do when his sentence had finished?
When and where did he die?
Where was he buried?
There seems to be a discrepancy over the number after Mangles. On the Ticket of Leave, it is '7', but many websites name it as '8' for 1837, Sydney.
Richard is my gt gt gt grandfather. I am descended from one of the children left in the Workhouse. Any information at all would be greatly appreciated as the Convicts Anthology CD is not available to me in the UK.
Thanks for reading this, Bluesky
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Hello there
one death in NSW for Richard Spiers in 1876 aged 54
but by the age not your chap
can you give us his parents names please so I can check interstate for his death
kind regards Jenn
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Hi, Jenn.
Thanks for your rapid response!
His parents were Richard and Sophia.
The name Spiers is often mis-transcribed, by the way. It can be pronounced Spires or Spears. But I have seen it badly transcribed as Spins!
Thanks for your efforts!
Best wishes, Bluesky
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http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/search.htm
this is the link to the NSW on line BDM's you can search for free there
Jenn
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Some of his children were sent to Alton Workhouse and remained in England
does that mean some left England?
Jenn.
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Thanks for the link, Jenn. I shall be on there like a shot!
As for Richard's children, I can trace 4 of the 5 on the England census returns, but there is a Richard Spiers junior, baptised in 1821, who I can't find. He was the oldest child and would have been 16 when his father was transported. I wondered if the death you found might be Richard junior ....
The plot thickens, eh?!
Brilliant work, Jenn. Thanks.
I want to know if there is any more convict-related paperwork other than the ticket of leave I already have. I am sure that prisoner number could be crucial, but have found nothing else so far. I know that there is a CD Anthology of Port Jackson Convicts, available only in Australia, so I am hoping someone has a copy and can find out more from that.
Best wishes, Bluesky
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Have a look at the top of the Emmigrants to oz board under reseources you will find a lot of links in NSW
What was Richards wifes name please?
Jenn
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Hi Bluesky
I found Richard Spiers on 1837 Convict muster on the ancestry site.
It is transcribed as Rd Spins but someone has posted a correction
saying it is their 3xg grandfather. You perhaps?
Raylen
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Hi Bluesky,
Nothing more to add but just to let you know what info is on The Port Jackson Convicts Anthology about Richard Spiers.
Richard Spiers aged 39
Trial place & year....Southhampton, 1836
Sentence....7 years
Ticket of Leave no. 42/1167
Ship....'Mangles' departed Portsmouth and arrived Port Jackson 10/7/1837
The number eight in brackets after the name Mangles, refers to the number of voyages made by that ship into Port Jackson...so far
Not mentioned on the Permissions to Marry Index 1826-1851
Not on the Assignment Register
Not on Conditional Pardons or Recommendations
Not on Deaths
Ref: The Port Jackson Convicts Anthology
All the best,
Magoo
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Hi, Raylen.
Yes, that is my amendment. There is no Richard Spins anywhere else, so it must be Spiers, I would imagine. I have not had sight of the actual record itself, as I do not have World membership of Ancestry until I win the Lottery! The actual document apparently states his age, place of birth, etc, which would verify that it really is Richard Spiers - and it might give a snippet or two extra!
Thanks very much for your help; it is much appreciated.
Best wishes, Bluesky.
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Hi Magoo,
Thanks so much for your comprehensive list of info from the Anthology. Top marks!
His omission from the assignment register is interesting. I wonder what that implies? That he was given government-based work such as road building? Or just that the register is incomplete? Food for thought, certainly.
Smashing research.
I wonder how he ended up with Port Stephens being mentioned on his Ticket of Leave? Did convicts do anything notable in Port Stephens?
Thank you for confirming so many details for me and for helping me think about where to go next with the history of my great great great grandfather's life.
Grateful thanks, Bluesky
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Hi, Jenn.
Richard's wife was called Mary, nee Lintot. She died in Alton, Hampshire, in 1833. Thanks for your continuing interest. Bluesky
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Will see if I can find something else out for your convict at the library this week.
Do you have the information from the Shipping Indent (physical description etc)?
Cazay
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Hi Bluesky.. we are searching same line... I wonder who you are..
Gary Spiers
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Hi Bluesky.. we are searching same line... I wonder who you are..
Gary Spiers
Hullo Gary, Bluesky has not been online for nearly five years, lets hope he/she still has the same email and will get the notification. But until then have you made any further progress on Richard senior in your tree search.? Do you need any help.
Neil
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A possibility only: There is a death registered for a Richard R SPEARS Father Richard Mother Mary A in Sydney 1867 the ref # is 1059/1867
Neil