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We are looking for Margaret and Peter Cummins/ marriage certificate 1844. Married at St. Wilfrid's RC Church, Preston. They lived on Bedford Street, Preston.
Her father was William Kenny, Courier, Bedford Street, Preston
His father was Peter Cummins, Overlooker, Bow Street, Preston.
William was a Mechanic
Margaret was a cloth reeler.
They had two children:
William in 1846 my great grand father
Peter 1849
We sent for another birth certificate for Mary 1845
We don't think she came to the USA. More children may exist.
We found William and Peter on the US census and were able to go forward to 1930, etc. They settled in Philadelphia, Pa and never left the area.
We have hit a brick wall in Preston, Lancashire and can not, with our limited knowledge figure out how to find them. We called the Records Office and got nowhere.
Hope someone can steer me in the correct direction.
Thank you,
BillyC
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Hi
We are looking for Margaret and Peter Cummins/ marriage certificate 1844
Their marriage is on Lancashire BMD but shows him as William not Peter
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1844
CUMMINS William KENNY Margaret Preston Register Office or Registrar Attended Preston PRESTON/7/9
GRO index reference is September quarter 1844 Preston Volume 21 Page 483
From the census entries - what year did they enter the USA
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Thank you for your kind reply
. We have the marriage certificate for Peter and Margaret/1844.
Margaret and Peter never came to the US. We never knew anything about them until I became a snoop.
We know nothing and can find nothing. We heard from someone that a Mary may exist, so I sent for the birth certificate. for a Mary Cummins 1845. Not sure if she is part of the family.
We have all the information once William and Peterthe sons came to Philadelphia, Pa. The names of the parents never surfaced on the USA census.
Thanks for all you do,
BillyC
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Hi
What age is shown for Margaret Kenny on the 1844 marriage cert
Can you confirm that the marriage cert you have definitely shows him as Peter Cummins and not William?
What age was he
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Sorry you are correct. It is William. Peter was his father and William was hers. My mistake.
I love your cat picture, sorry off the subject.
I am new at this and seem to make many mistakes,
BillyC
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The certificate has no age.
Thanks again,
BillyC
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Hi
Per freebmd - this could be Margaret's death. Unfortunately - ages were not shown on the index until the mid-later 1860's but will be on the death cert
Deaths December quarter 1848
Cummins Margaret Preston 21 374
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Lancashire BMD births have these entries for Preston
1845 Jane Cummins mothers maiden name KENNEY
1849 Peter Cummins mmn McKENNY (rules out the 1848 death)
www.lancashirebmd.org.uk
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Just a thought
The Margaret Cummins death was in the December qtr 1948 and the Peter Cummins birth was the March qtr 1949
If Margaret died during December 1848 following childbirth, they may only have registered Peters birth in the January of 1949 which would bring it into the March qtr
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Hi Carole,
You may be correct, I just don't know enough about how they did things back then.
We did send for Jane's birth certificate last week.
Honestly until 6 months ago we did not know we had a connection in Preston. We thought we were from Ireland.
This is so new to us. We have been searching not stop since then. The US side has been easier to research.
We can't figure out what happened to, William the father.
If Margaret died and William the father wasn't around.........could the kids have gone to the cottages or work houses. I have been reading about them and maybe I should be looking in that direction.
I know this is a mess.
Thanks again,
Billyc
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This is purely a theory
I can't find a Margaret Kenny or a William Kenny (father) on the 1841 Lancashire census living in Preston
My guess is that Margaret was Irish
There is no trace of a William Cummins or Peter Cummins in Preston in 1841 either although Cummins is not a particularly Irish surname.
There is a possibility that if the 1848 death is Margaret - perhaps the children were sent to Ireland to her relatives
Have you found any ship passenger records for sons Peter & William showing where they sailed from when they emigrated
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Hi,
William came, we think, on October 14, 1867 City of Baltimore.
Peter came over on Sept 21, 1868 on the City of Boston.
He is listed as a mechanic or machinist.
We are sure on this one. They were both naturalized.
The ship left Liverpool and they were in steerage.
They were living living together in Philadelphia on Howard Street.
William married 1868 and was a machinist. He was married to Mary O'Neal.
Thanks again for trying,
BillyC
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Hi Billy,
My family name is Cummins and YES it is Irish. Most of them seem to be concentrated around the Carlow area of Ireland.
Try the site CarlowCummins at Rootsweb ( just google carlowcummins) and email the site and they are a great help.
Heaps of marriages, baptisms on there- although most is in Latin that far back- eg. Patricius= Patrick.
My Cummins ancestors emigrated to New Zealand 1864. Will check my records and see if any connection to yours.
Trish ( in Australia)
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Hi BillyC!
Have you seen the 1841 census for WILLIAM CUNNINGS (sic) age 20, mechanic, on Bow Lane in Preston? He was enumerated with MARTHA age 45 and five apparent siblings: none of them born in the county. Sound like yours, don't they?
No male near MARTHA's age was enumerated, but there is a death for PETER CUMMINS on FreeBMD: Preston, SEP 1839.
Kay in USA
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Thank you. I am about to dig.
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Hi Kay - take a big bow - that's a brilliant find
Bow Lane Preston
Martha Cummins 45
William 20 mechanic
Mary 20 cotton weaver
Thomas 15
John 15
Sarah 10
Jane 8
None were born in county
HO107 Piece 498/14 Folio 23 Page 38
Possibly brother Thomas's marriage
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1845
CUMMINS Thomas GREGSON Ellen Preston Register Office or Registrar Attended Preston PRESTON/8/101
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Thank you, Thank you..........I am going to go back over my notes.
I recall seeing this, but being that I am a novice I skipped over Cunnings and Martha.
Again Thanks.
BillyC
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BillyC:
BTW per the 1851 and 1861 census, MARTHA and some of her children were born in Yorkshire.
Kay in USA
PS: Thank you, Carole W. I believe that you have helped me in the past.
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Thank you. I will be going over everything I have saved in the last 6 months. I feel like we have some hope.! !
Our goal is to get the Cummins, Cunnings back to Ireland. We will be in Ireland in September and are hoping to be able to connect in some manner.
We are like the commerical. We book a trip to Ireland and find out our family is from England. We have switvhed gears so many times my head is spinning.
Thank you for all you do!
BillyC
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BillyC:
Don't be misled by CUNNINGS. It is probably a transcription error by an indexer trying to read old handwriting. Ideally, you should look at the census images, which can be found online.
Good luck on your quest in Ireland. I know from my own experience that researching Irish ancestors is not easy.
Kay in USA
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Thanks again for all your help. We will keep trying and if we don't find it this year, maybe in the future.
You have really helped with the Cunnings aspect. We thought these people fell off the face of the earth.
BillyC