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Some Special Interests => Travelling People => Topic started by: julia.julibob on Saturday 09 August 08 19:52 BST (UK)
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After numerous breakthroughs over the last 3 years, I am asking for help from those more experienced than myself.
My GGG Grandparents were John Beasley and Martha Foreman. The only census I can find them both on is the 1861, living in Rusper, Sussex with their Children Emma, John, Martha, and my GG Grandmother Caroline who is down as Caroline Goby (actually Golby) with her husband Henry.
I have spent all this time trying to find John and Martha before the 1861 census! I have a marriage for Martha Foreman jnr (Beasley) to Matthew Stamp in 1872 and her father, John is listed as deceased and a farm labourer. In the 1861 census he is listed as a hawker. I am almost certain that he was a romany gypsy as the Golby's were, and all the related marriages are romany.
I have Martha (senior) living with children and then in a workhouse on the census' after 1861, but nothing before.
Caroline Beasley was born in Charlwood, Surrey in 1844 (I have her birth certificate), so they should all be on the 1851 census somewhere!
I look forward to seeing what you may come up with.
Julia
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Caroline Golby is also my 4th gg and I’ve come across the same. All my family are born and raised as Romany gypsies buy the look of things the parents married cousins I think.
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Have you looked at the Beesley (and variant spellings) entries in the Keith Chandler database to see if there's anything useful there:
https://rtfhs.org.uk/the-keith-chandler-collection-of-romany-and-traveller-biographies/ and scroll down to Beesley
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Just thinking out loud, but could Matthew Stamp be Mathew Scamp?
If so, the branch was known as the Ramsgate Scamps. From the Oral List held by Liverpool University I cannot make the dates quite fit; but there is a Matthew Scamp. Father was Raili Scamp b.1845 who married a gaujo (non-traveller); Grandfather was Raili Scamp b. c.1820 d.1903 at Ramsgate who married Mathers (daughter of Jack Mathers and a daughter of Tom Lee). From my own searches of a different section, the list is not complete and not always fully accurate regarding dates. In Wales, some of the Scamps from Devon used Williams to blend in with the locals, and for baptisms I have found Riley being used.