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Hi,
I am doing a one name study of the Rossiter family and am looking for information please about the parents, grandparents and siblings of Charles Rossiter, who married Ellen Kate Sudley Howell in the June Qtr of 1866 in Clifton.
Ellen was born in the June Qtr of 1844 in Clifton.
In the 1861 Census, she will be recorded in her maiden name and in the 1871 Census in her married name.
I am hoping that details of Charles and his family can be found through tracking Ellen.
Any information would be greatly appreciated please. TIA.
Best wishes
rcuser
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Hello
Think this is Ellen on 1861
@ 6 Park Place (Lodging House) Bristol St Michael Glos
with following
Maria Kevil Head u/m 38 Lodging House Keeper Born Bath Somerset
Joseph Olive Widower 56 Lodger " "
Elizabeth McFarlane Wid 54 " " Bristol
Eliza Dodge Nurse/child 5 "
ELLEN HOWELL 16 Visitor Dress Maker " "
James M Long 28 Lodger Engineer "
Fanny " 27 " Kent Peckham.
1871 Is this them ??????
@ 30 Gladstone Street St Philip & St Jacob Bristol Glos
Charles Rossiter Head Marr 29? Cordwainer Born Som Shepton Mallet
Elenor Wife 27 "
Kate Dau 6 "
Henry Son 4 "
Ellen Dau 2 Bristol
William Son 7Months "
plus lodger
William Chisleton? 18 Shoemaker
1861 Ref is RG9 1722 page 88
1871 ref RG10 2556 page 40
Pam
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Do you have Charles and Ellen's Births
Free BMd
BIRTH Ellen Kate Sudley HOWELL June qtr 1844 Clifton 11 314
three possibles for Charles ROSSITER
March qtr 1841 Bridgewater 10 354
Dec qtr 1841 Shepton Mallett 10 4 (5)
March qtr 1840 Bristol 11 153
Pam
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On IGI
Theres is a baptism for a Eleanor Howell 29th September 1844 at St Phillip and St Jacob 's Bristol showing parents thomas and Sarah. The area matches 1871 Census for Charles and Eleanor
worth hanging on to, if you send for the Birth Cert for Ellen June qtr 1844 parents may match.
Pam
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Hi Pam,
Thanks for all the posts.
I found Charles born 1842 in Shepton Mallet in the 1881 UK Census here:-
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/Census/household_record.asp?HOUSEHOLD_CODE=1881BR_2523891&HOUSEHOLD_SUB=1&frompage=99
However, I have this family in my database and this Charles married Eleanor Stokes in the September Qtr of 1862 at Shepton Mallet.
Like you I found Ellen Howell on FreeBMD but had no details for Charles to get a definite birth year.
The Charles born 1840 in Bristol is a possible as that's the area most likely to fall under the Clifton Registration district and the area where Ellen Howell was born.
Unfortunately, I don't have any further details on them.
Is it possible to find the Charles born 1840 in the 1841 Census and obtain his parents that way please?
Best wishes
rcuser
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Hello rcuser
You asked whether it is possible to find Charles b 1840.
I found this family:
1841 census HO107 Piece 378 Book 1 Folio 4 Page 2
ROSSITER
Chas 25 brush mak Y
Mary An? (v feint) 25 Y
Charles 5 Y
Moses 4 Y
Mary 28? (black mark over) Y
Address: Wade Street, St Philip & Jacob, Bristol, Gloucestershire
This Charles is a little too old but might still be of interest? His brother Moses doesn't appear to be registered (per freebmd) so maybe he wasn't either?
I haven't traced him forward to see whether he matches.
~cariad~
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Hi ~cariad~,
Many thanks for that.
Not sure if it is the right Charles but info on any Rossiter is most welcome.
I have this family in my database.
Moses died in 1842.
I found this baptism record for Charles on the IGI:-
http://www.familysearch.org/ENG/search/IGI/individual_record.asp?recid=100086155556&lds=1®ion=2®ionfriendly=British+Isles&frompage=99
Tried to find a marriage for Charles and Mary Ann but no luck so far.
Mary aged 28 may be a sister to Charles the father. Pity there isn't an 1831 Census to tell us.
Is it possible to find this family in the 1851/1861 Censuses please?
Best wishes
rcuser
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Of course!
I think this is the same family:
1851 census HO107 Piece 1953 Folio 333 Page 17
ROSSITER
Charles H M 41 - brush maker finisher - Bristol St Phillips
Mary Ann W M 40 - London
Charles son Un 17 - brush maker ap - Bristol St Phillips
Mary Ann dau 10 - do do
Silena dau 5 - do do
Ann ILES visitor W 72 - Bath
Address: Lower Easton, St George, Bristol, Gloucestershire
I will look for 1861
~cariad~
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Here is the next one:
1861 census RG9 Pice 1783 Folio 97 Page 6
ROSSITER
(written with the long S and indexed as a P)
Charles H M 50 - brush maker - St Philips Out Bristol
Mary Ann W M 48 - do
Mary Ann dau U 20 - dress maker - do
George COX lodger 30 - labourer - St Georges Glostershire
John COX son 7 - scholar - Bristol
Henry COX son 5 - do - do
Address: Stapleton Road, St Philip and Jacob, Bristol, Gloucestershire
~cariad~
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Hi ~cariad~,
Many thanks for that.
I did a little more checking on the IGI and found these:-
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Just wondering if they could all be from the same family.
Checking my database it seems I had 2 varying entries for Charles born 1835 so I've merged all the data.
Also found Charles & Mary Ann in the 1881 Census here:-
http://www.familysearch.org/ENG/search/Census/household_record.asp?HOUSEHOLD_CODE=1881BR_2519074&HOUSEHOLD_SUB=1&frompage=99
Best wishes
rcuser
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Shame you don't know who Charles's parents are supposed to be! :)
There is another one I saw in 1851 who is with a WALL family
1851 census HO107 Piece 1952 Folio 345 Page 65
The reason I mention him is that he is in Clifton - but he is younger than the one you were originally seeking. Would you like the details?
~cariad~
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Just in case!
1851 census HO107 Piece 1952 Folio 345 Page 65
WALLS (or WATTS or HALLS?)
Thomas H M 44 - grocer - Westdown Devonshire
Malinda W M 47 - Dartmouth do
George son U 14 - scholar - Clifton Bristol Glostershire
Ann dau U 12 - do - do
Charles Thomas ROSSITER son in law U 5 - do - do
Address: 1 Jones's Cottages, Clifton, Bristol, Gloucestershire
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Hi again
re your reques for 1841 Census for Charles
This could be him
1841 @ Wade Street St Philip and St Jacob Bristol
Charles Rossiter 25 Brush Maker Born in Co
Mary 25 "
CHARLES 5 "
Mary 4
plus
Mary 25 "
remember the 1841 confusion re rounding down/up of ages
Pam "
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I have just seen your August posting about the Rossiter name. I am researching a branch of the family that has led me back to a Henry Rossiter, born in St Philip & St Jacob's, Bristol, son of Aaron and Eliza. They were brushmakers, and it seems very likely that Aaron and your Charles (brushmaker, born around 1816, St Philip and st James) had a common ancestor. I havn't, so far, been able to get back any earlier. if the descendents of Henry are of any interest to you, please let me know.
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Hi Researcher99,
Thanks for your post.
I would be happy to have any information about this family please.
Aaron was married three times before he emigrated in 1870.
I think he was the son of Moses Rossiter & Mary Hockford.
It could be that Charles could be Aaron's brother and therefore Henry's uncle.
Best wishes
rcuser
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Hi rcuser
Many thanks for your reply.
I am researching ancestors of Aaron Rossiter's 3xgreat granddaughter Enid Rossiter. The line from her to him is:
Her father Edward Ernest Nangrave Rossiter, born 1908, Islington, London; married Doris Fricker.
His father, Edward Nangrave Rossiter, born Hoxton, London; married Kate Lambourn 1907, Hoxton, London
His father, Edward Nangrave Rossiter, born 1854, Clerkenwell, London; married Maria Louisa Tillett/Tillott, 1874, St Luke's, London
His father, and Aaron's son, Henry William Rossiter, baptised 1830, St Philip & St Jacob, Bristol; married Eleanor Adelaide Kent, 1851, Bow, London City
They all appear to have worked in brushmaking in various capacities. Relevant census entries are:
1901: RG13/276/55/7
1891: no trace
1881: RG11/397/13/20-21
1871: no trace
1861: RG9/197/89/42
1851: HO107/1520/91/13
1841: JO107/377/15/46
I am fascinated about Aaron's marriages and that he emigrated. It would be good to know your sources for this. I have no idea, at this point, where the middle 'Nangrave' came from. It seems to have appeared first with Aaron's grandson, and doesn't seem to be linked to a marriage.
Best wishes
Researcher99
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Hi Researcher99,
Thanks for that.
I found Edward Ernest N ( born 1908) and an Ernest J (born 1913) both born in Islington.
Do you have years and places of birth for Kate and Doris please?
I don't know where the name "Nangrave" came from either unless it is a pre-Aaron family name.
Rossiters tend to incorporate wives' maiden names as children's Christian names.
Henry William Rossiter was the only child ( as far as I know) of Aaron Rossiter and Eliza Langhorne(Langharne?). They married on October 26th 1828 at All Saint's Church, Bristol.
He then married Anne Ransom on October 14th 1834 at St Woollas, Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales. They had at least two children:-
Ambrosine Louise born circa 1835
Clara Elliott born circa 1839
Finally he married Lovey Bowman in the December Qtr of 1869 at Bath Registration District, Somerset. They had at least 4 children:-
Edwin Napoleon Rossiter 1842
James Tell Rossiter 1844
George 1849
Frederick 1851
They emigrated to Ontario, Canada and can be found on the 1880 Canadian Census here:-
http://www.familysearch.org/ENG/search/Census/household_record.asp?HOUSEHOLD_CODE=1881CN_648248&HOUSEHOLD_SUB=1&frompage=99
Aaron & Lovey's children ( & their families) went too.
I say "at least" when referring to their children as these are the ones I know about so there could be more.
Hope this helps.
Best wishes
rcuser
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Hi rcuser
Thank you very much for all of that. It's very helpful.
Kate was born on 12 August 1877 in Reading, Berkshire, daughter of William Lambourn, a biscuit factory labourer, and Harriett (formerly Gilby). I havn't looked into Doris yet, but will let you know when I have.
All the best
Researcher99
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Hi researcher99,
Many thanks for that.
Had another thought about Nangrave. Sometimes, the bride's mother's maiden name was used as a Christian name for the children.
Just wondering what Eleanor Adelaide Kent mother's maiden name was. That might be worth checking out.
Have a good day.
best wishes
rcuser
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Hi researcher99,
By way of a postscript, are you researching beyond Enid's direct line e.g. at the siblings of Edward Nangrave Rossiter?
Best wishes
rcuser
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Hi rcuser
No, I'm not planning to go beyond the direct line from Enid backwards.
Regards
Researcher99
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Hi rcuser
Just a thought I had: If the Aaron Rossiter in the Canadian census is the same as the Aaron Rossiter who married in All Saints Bristol in 1828, it seems odd that he and his family were Quakers, since Quakers did not recognise the Anglican Church, and conversion to Quakerism is, I believe, very rare. Having said that, the birth of Canadian census Aaron does not appear in the Quaker registers, so it looks as though his family were not Quakers, and maybe he did convert. I would welcome your thoughts on this.
Regards
Researcher99
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Hi researcher99,
Thanks for your postings. Edward Nangrave's siblings married and gave descendants so Enid may well have cousins or their descendants. The only one I cannot find out about is Anna Catherine born 1859. If you need any information about them please let me know.
As for Aaron, I don't know the reason for his religion of choice but I think that he could not go to Canada unless he was married so he and Lovey married. Rossiters come from a variety of religions both conformist and non-conformist. It's all part of life's rich pattern.LOL!!
Best wishes
rcuser
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ok i lostthe plot half way through ;D
i know rcuser nothing new there lol
found this baptism-
charles thomas rossiter bapt 16th july 1845 st andrews clifton.parents listed as charles rossiter and malinda
regards
alli
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;D ok i know iam good ;)
charles rossiter born nov 1841 bapt 15th jan 1842 parents listed as charles rossiter a cordwainer and elizabeth from market place.baptised at st peter and st paul shepton mallet
regards
alli
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there is no marriage for charles and elizabeth in shepton mallet.
regards
alli
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living in the high street shepton mallet in 1841-
elizabeth rossiter 70yrs not born in county
elizabeth rossiter 25yrs bonnet maker born in county
charles rossiter 25yrs shoemaker born in county
william rossiter 11yrs born in county
SOURCE INFO-H0107-963
FOLIO-7
PAGE-7
regards
alli
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the 1851 looks like this-
living in quay street shepton mallet
elizabeth rossiter 35yrs widow shoebinder born shepton mallet
charles 9yrs son born shepton mallet
SOURCE INFO-H0107-1933
FOLIO-542
PAGE-13
regards
alli
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mother and son are still together in 1861-
living in board cross shepton mallet
elizabeth rossiter 44yrs widow boot and shoe binder
charles 20yrs unmarried son cordwainer born shepton mallet
SOURCE INFO-RG9-1661
FOLIO-120
PAGE-21
regards
alli
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ok i lostthe plot half way through ;D
i know rcuser nothing new there lol
found this baptism-
charles thomas rossiter bapt 16th july 1845 st andrews clifton.parents listed as charles rossiter and malinda
regards
alli
Hi alli,
Thanks for that. Charles Thomas is the son of Charles Rossiter & Malinda Rakestraw married in June Qtr 1844 at Bath. Charles the father died in December Qtr 1846 but I do not know where he came from or who his ancestors are.
Best wishes
rcuser
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there is no marriage for charles and elizabeth in shepton mallet.
regards
alli
Hi alli,
I could not find a marriage there either.I have Charles and Elizabeth as being born in 1816 if that helps.
Best wishes
rcuser
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living in the high street shepton mallet in 1841-
elizabeth rossiter 70yrs not born in county
elizabeth rossiter 25yrs bonnet maker born in county
charles rossiter 25yrs shoemaker born in county
william rossiter 11yrs born in county
SOURCE INFO-H0107-963
FOLIO-7
PAGE-7
regards
alli
Hi alli,
Elizabeth aged 70 is the Widow of William Rossiter.
It looks like William aged 11 could be Charles's brother.
The large age gap suggests there could be other siblings if that is true.
William the father died before 1841 but I do not have his year of birth.
Elizabeth the widow was born circa 1769 but I do not know when she died.The censuses indicate that it must be between 1841 and 1851.
Elizabeth was born out of county. William probably was too but I do not know where they were born. I'm wondering if it was Gloucestershire.
Hope this helps.
Best wishes
rcuser
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Hi Researcher99,
I may have some answers for Aaron Rossiter's family because he was my Gt-gt-grandfather and I have done some research on this part of the family.
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Hi Bruce,
It looks to me that Charles ( the Charles born circa 1810 married to Mary Ann posted by Cariad) is the brother of Aaron ( son of Moses) who married Lovey Bowman ( and others!!).
Does this match with your thinking and the data you have?
best wishes
rcuser
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Hi Bruce,
It looks to me that Charles ( the Charles born circa 1810 married to Mary Ann posted by Cariad) is the brother of Aaron ( son of Moses) who married Lovey Bowman ( and others!!).
Does this match with your thinking and the data you have?
best wishes
rcuser
Hi rcuser,
Yes, the Charles ROSSITER that Cariad has listed is the son of Moses ROSSITER and Mary ELLIOTT. He married Mary Ann BRYANT on July 01, 1832, at St Philips and Jacob, Bristol, England.
The children I have for them are:
Charles b. 1834
Moses b. 1837 d 1842
Lewis b. 1839 d at an early age
Mary Ann b. 1841
Selina b 1846
Charles ROSSITER Jr. married Eliza CHAMBERLAIN and they arrive in Canada on June 13, 1870 with 5 children. He was sponsored by the Bristol Emigration Club.
Edit: Thanks to rcuser, I have corrected the maiden name of Eliza Chamberlain.