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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Shertur on Thursday 07 August 08 23:02 BST (UK)
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The 1841 census has my family living in Retreat, Clapham. Checking online it appears that this may have been a lunatic asylum, but the list of inhabitants covers several pages, with families and employed people included.
Can anyone help me with info about Retreat?
The census ref is HO 107/1053/7 and the names are James, wife Ann and children William, Henry & George Bushnell. Also can anyone tell me what the initials in the employment column mean - looks like F S. James was a coachman.
Many thanks
Christine
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Hi
The census ref is HO 107/1053/7
Can you supply the rest of the reference please - 1053 is the piece number and 7 is the book number but we also need the folio and page number plus the county
I have tried finding them under Bushnell but presume they are mistranscribed
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Just found them in Surrey - not London
FS means Female servant and MS is Male servant
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I think Retreat is just an ordinary address - probably a road or street as the address is shared by other families. James is a Male servant
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Thanks for that Carole. Do you think that in 1841 they didn't bother with house numbers as none appear on these census pages? That's what made me wonder whether it wasn't an ordinary street.
Regards
Christine
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In most 1841 census records I've seen, house numbers aren't given. Sometimes the addresses are very vague, and might refer to an area rather than a road.
If you go back to the census and look back and forth through the pages, you can find out what other streets are nearby and use that to try and work out where 'Retreat' was located.
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That's a good idea Jorose, Thanks!
Regards
Christine
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Hi All
I ve come across a potential relative at the Retreat Clapham who was there with his wife and children in 1841, he had previously been discharge for the Army with ill health. There is an article on studymore.co.uk which lists the place as a lunatic asylum for the 1841 census, it also lists details of some inmates there.
Still unable to prove my relative is the one staying there yet.
Rob
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You might find the Retreat on here http://www.artus-familyhistory.com/source/Early%20Maps.html/London%201846/Main%20Map%201846.html
I don't know which area Clapham is.
Eric
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Thanks Eric & Rob for your info. I shall certainly make goos use of the map site as most of my ancestors come from London.
However, I was unable to open the studymore site. Do you still have access Rob? If so, were there any Bushnells mentioned? I find it hard to believe they were living in a lunatic asylum as James was a coachman and at that time he and Ann had three children. I suppose it was possible that Ann worked there, although no occupation has ever been mentioned for her.
I can give you more family info if needed.
Thanks
Christine
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Oh this is interesting. My great great grandmother was born at 'Retreat, Brixton Hill, Clapham' according to her birth certificate (born 1847). I always wondered about it but have never found any info.
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Further to Rob's info I have found this...click on 'Clapham Retreat' on the right to be taken to the information:
http://studymore.org.uk/3_06.htm#ClaphamRetreat
Mx
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Well, Meriel, I'm amazed, how did you find that?
The puzzling thing is that of all the staff and inmates mentioned on that site at the 1841 census, my ancestors do not appear.
Also, on the 1841 census proper, James is listed as a male servant, and his wife and three children are also listed. Surely they wouldn't have all lived there if one of them was a lunatic? James went on to become a Coachman and they had several more children, so it dosen't seem to tie up.
Any more thoughts please?
Regards
Christine
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The 1841 census has my family living in Retreat, Clapham. Checking online it appears that this may have been a lunatic asylum, but the list of inhabitants covers several pages, with families and employed people included.
Can anyone help me with info about Retreat?
The census ref is HO 107/1053/7 and the names are James, wife Ann and children William, Henry & George Bushnell. Also can anyone tell me what the initials in the employment column mean - looks like F S. James was a coachman.
Many thanks
Christine
Hi Christine
I know this is a long time since your query but just in case you're still looking there were some houses called Waterloo Retreat in Clapham. The houses were tucked down Waterloo Place. Sadly the area was redeveloped and Waterloo Retreat disappeared. This link should take you to a photo in Wandsworth Archives boroughphotos.org/wandsworth/waterloo-retreat-c1900
Cheers, Caroline