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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Renfrewshire => Topic started by: ceool on Thursday 07 August 08 14:30 BST (UK)
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could someone please help.I am trying to trace a Annie maxwell born port glasgow 1878.thanks
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Hi ceool
could someone please help.I am trying to trace a Annie maxwell born port glasgow 1878.thanks
Can you check the date. SP is showing an Annie Maxwell b. Port Glasgow in 1879. It's the only one in the 1877-1879 period there.
Gadget
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Hi again
If you think that this is her, you can view the image and download the copy of the birth entry for 6 units = £1.20 from the site:
www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
Minimum number of units that you can purchase is 30 (£6)
Gadget
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yes that seems to be the one.can you find out what you can about her.thanks
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I've found the family on the 1881
there are quite a lot of them so it will take a while to type up. paretns are David and Elizabeth.
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Hi
Can you give us more info about her - parents/siblings etc
As Gadget says - this is the only 1881 entry specifically with a Port Glasgow birthplace. All children b Port Glasgow
Bouverie Street Birkmyres Land 77 Port Glasgow
David MAXWELL 46 b Ireland Rope Maker
Elizabeth 44 b Ireland
David 16 Printer Apprentice
Samuel 16 Mechanic In Factory
William 8
Thomas 4
Elizabeth
Maggie 12
Sarah 10
Annie 2
Isabella 6
Agnes CONER 16 Boarder
Thomas FREEMAN 25 Boarder
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I have looked at the image on SP and this is the full information rather than a partial one!
Bouverie Street Birkmyres Land 77, Port Glasgow
Ref 574 ED 4 Page 19
David Maxwell, 46, Rope maker, b. Ireland
Elizabeth, 44, b. Ireland
David, 16, printer - apprentice, b. Port Glasgow
Samuel, 16, mechanic in factory, b. Port Glasgow
Elizabeth, 14, b. Port Glasgow
Maggie, 12, b. Port Glasgow
Sarah, 10, b. Port Glasgow
William, 8, b. Port Glasgow
Isabella, 6, b. Port Glasgow
Thomas, 4, b. Port Glasgow
Annie, 2, b. Port Glasgow
Thomas Freeman, boarder, engineer's labourer, b. Port Glasgow
Agnes Conor, 16, boarder, mill worker, b. Port Glasgow
Gadget
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hi, ive been told annie maxwell married robert monkin millen born /1710/1878 in 78 bay street port glasgow.date of marriage 26/04/1901.
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I cant find anything to confirm annie maxwells marriage or who she married and if she had children
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The marriage is on SP as 1901 in Port Glasgow Annie Maxwell to Robert Millen.
Gadget
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Thanks for clearing this up
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The IGI (extracted) has the birth of Samuel and David Maxwell, Port Glasgow 25 Sept 1864. Parents David Maxwell and Elizabeth Bolton.
Gadget
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I have been reading this post and now realise that Annie Maxwell is my Great Grandmother, I have birth certificates for my Grandmother who is Elizabeth Millen the daughter of Annie and Robert, Do you have any further information on this family?
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Hi there
Annie Maxwell is also my great great grandmother. I have as much info for her as I've been able to gather online. My great grandmother is Robertina Millen who was her first daughter.
Hope you dmacp or ceeol read this as it's been a while since the last post.
kind regards, Jenny
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Jenny:
I ve just picked up your message this morning.
I ll get back to you shortly
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Hi jenny at the moment iam doing a family research for a friend on the same Milen family. please reply lnr
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hi, iam also researching this maxwell family for a friend, can you please give me robert millens sons and daughters names, thanks lnr
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Jenny
I'm intrigued by your post regarding your great great grandmother. I'm related to the same family but have never heard mention of Robertina.
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Hi Fifi22
Well my Great Grandmother was born Robertina Maxwell, illegitimate daughter of Annie Maxwell. However she became Robertina Maxwell Millen following her mums marriage to Robert Millen. I was always under the assumption that she may have been Robert Millen's daughter in the first place with a name like Robertina. Although I guess I'll never know!
Sadly I don't have much to go on for Robertina apart from the usual birth, marriage, death and the tiny snippets of memory gained from my dad over the years, no photos or anything. Her first daughter Williamina is my Grandmother although, again, frustratingly I don't know much about her or have any photos.
Does this help? I can get some dates for you if she is still a mystery.
I'm always excited to hear from someone related to this family so I'm as intrigued about you too!
look forward to your reply
Jenny
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Hi Jenny
How very interesting though still a mystery I'm afraid. I'm just wondering what her married name was, maybe then I can work it out.
Fi
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I meant to add, I can give you more information on the other siblings if you like.
Fi
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Hi Fi
Yes any info you can share would be fantastic thank you!
My great grandmother Robertina was married a couple of times although my grandmother Williamina (her first child) was born out of marriage and her father was William Wylie. Robertina's first husband was Edward Thomas Miller, they eventually divorced. Her second husband was Alexander Nimmo who died during the second world war.
Robertina's DOB was 8th April 1899 and she died 27th March 1967
I wonder why she is so mysterious?! I don't know what kind of person she was but I think that my Gran, Williamina, was brought up with her grandparents Robert and Annie Millen (Maxwell) as she grew up living with them.
Anyway, hope I've shed some light now!
Jenny
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Hello!
I know that this is an old discussion, but I was delighted to find it.
In a nutshell: My deceased father-in-law was adopted and his biological son, my husband, recently had his own DNA analyzed through 23andme.com. It revealed a third cousin match, who kindly reached out to us and told us that, in keeping with the common third cousin connection being the great-great grandfather/mother, that could possibly lead to his relatives, Robert Millen born 1852 or wife Annie Monkin born 1851 in Port Glasgow, Scotland. (I am mindful that this is an educated guess on both our parts at this point, as there is another side of the family to consider.)
If you follow their children and grandchildren down the family tree (which I have explored on the public member trees at ancestry.com), you come to a series of possibilities for members from this family who could have been a parent of my father-in-law, who was born on July 1, 1933 in New York City, USA.
I keep looking at Robertina, as she is the correct age per the non-identifying information provided by the adoption agency (btw. 34-38 yrs. old in 1933). I can't help but notice that both her sons with Miller died very young, and that she divorced in 1935. Could it be possible that she spent some time overseas in the years between the death of her son Robert in 1928 and her divorce in 1935? The adoption agency revealed that the birth mother claimed that she was married, but was living apart from her husband because he was "a drinker." Incidentally, the agency also revealed that she gave birth via c-section (a risky proposition then, and a likely guarantee that she could have no more children).
And, if not... can you think of any other candidates in this line?
I am wondering if anyone related to this family has tested their DNA. If so, I have uploaded my husband's DNA to gedmatch.com. His kit is #M144154 if you would like to compare it.
Thank you for reading and I welcome any input. Please know that we are looking ONLY to fill in the informational blanks on the biological family tree. My father-in-law had a full and stable life of 75 years filled with love, career and family. His left a great legacy and we are eternally grateful for the woman who chose to put him in a better place than she could offer.
Warmly,
Lisa in the U.S.
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By the way, this is the ancestry.com tree I was referencing: http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/259388/family?cfpid=-1150311133
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FYI, this is a somewhat blurry pic of my father-in-law in his 70s.
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Hello
I was really interested to read your post and would love to help if I can? The tree you referenced is mine I'm glad it has been helpful (!)and I have been trying to find out as much as I can about Robertina. She is my great grandmother and it has been frustrating research so far but will share what I know with you!! Xx
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Hi, and thank you so much for responding! It was such an old thread I thought my chances for a reply were slim. :-) I would appreciate any insight you'd like to share. I should note that a couple of the other matches (they are more distant) on my husband's DNA analysis carry the surname Wylie in their lineage. I will follow up with them. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts.
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Hi Lisa
It's no problem it's good to try and solve the mystery and get your husband some answers to his past 😊. You have probably already checked but I had a quick search on ancestry yesterday but haven't as yet found any evidence that Robertina was in America around those dates. It is strange the Wylie match as well as she had her first child with a Wylie. I have not had my DNA tested so I'm not sure how the results of it all work and come together? I'd love to do it though! My dad might be the better candidate as he is further back in that line and does it need to be the male side anyway?
Jenny xxx
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It has been a long time since I have been on this thread, it is interesting that I have an "aunt Ina" who has Nimmo as her middle name.
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Hi Dcmp,
Have you been having problems accessing your original profile ? If you let me know your old profile I can help you.
Regards
Sarah
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Hi dmcp
Are you kindly able to offer any more info regarding your Aunt Ina to see if there is any link to Robertina Nimmo at all? As ever I am still searching for a photo of her or any new information ???
Kind regards
Jenny
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Not sure how this works or if I am even putting this message in right place as just new on here. Someone told me about this place as I am looking for my 4times g grandfather ( John Maxwell) so I came across this message about Annie, my gran was Annie Maxwell also but she married into the maxwells she was born in 1883 RENFREWSHIRE. She married John. Probably not the same one though.
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Hi Jeanettepauline, and welcome to RootsChat.
We need to work back step by step to get to your 4 times great-grandfather.
If I have understood correctly, your grandfather was John Maxwell, and your grandmother was Annie, born 1883? Where did they marry? Do you have a copy of their marriage certificate?
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Hi first of all thanks for getting back to me. My Gran was Annie Borland maxwell she married a John Mccoll her dad was John maxwell and his dad was Allan he married grace ray beverage I found his death certificate, it’s says his father was John Maxwell 1791 Renfrewshire Scotland and he married an Annie Borland. That’s who my grandmother was named after. And that’s as far as I got. Ps they moved around a ot between Ayrshire and Renfrewshire. Sorry Annie was my great gran as my gran was Annie also
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Ah.
I see that Annie B Maxwell and John McColl were married in Blythswood (Glasgow) in 1906, and that Annie died in Renfrew in 1966 aged 83. If that age is accurate, Annie could have been born in 1882 or 1883. Have you actually got her birth certificate?
Allan Maxwell and Grace Beveridge were married in Gorbals parish (Glasgow) on 12 July 1839, and there were two sons, John b 1844 and Robert b 1847.
I take it that Allan is the one who died in Hamilton in 1894, aged 79? And Grace died in Hamilton in 1902, aged 80.
In 1851 the family were in Glasgow. Allan was aged 36, born in Govan. So if his age is accurate he was born in 1814/1815. With him were his wife Grace, sons John and Robert, and mother-in-law Jean Rea, 54. You can look up a transcription at https://freecen1.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl and you should view the original at Scotland's People www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk to make sure that the transcription is correct.
They were also in Govan in 1841, Allan, 25; Grizel, 20; and Archibald, 20. (Grace and Grizel are interchangeable in Scotland, so if you are looking for a Grace and can't find her, or for a Grizel and can't find her, try the other name.)
There is no record of the marriage of John Maxwell and Anne Borland, but there are baptisms of 8 children: John 1812, Janet 1814, John 1817, Archibald 1822, Esther 1824, James 1827, Anne 1830 and Mary 1834. No record of Allan's baptism but it seems plain enough that he was born in Gorbals, where all his siblings were born.
The 1841 census has a Maxwell household in Govan consisting of John, 50; Ann, 50; James, 13; Ann, 9; and Mary, 7. Adults' ages were supposed to be rounded down to the nearest 5 years in the 1841 census, so if their ages are accurate John and Ann Sr would both have been born between 1786 and 1791.
In 1861 Annie is listed as a widow, aged 60, born Govan. With her are her daughters Annie, 20 and Mary, 12. This is from a transcription - 12 may be a misreading of 17. Look at the original to make sure.
An Ann Maxwell or Borland died in Hutchesontown (Glasgow) in 1881, aged 90. If she is your Ann Borland, her death certificate should tell you the names of her parents including her mother's maiden surname.
As John obviously died before the start of civil registration in 1855, there will be no death certificate for him. He could be the 60-year-old John Maxwell who died in Gorbals (Glasgow) in May 1854, and it is possible that the burial record might give some indication of where he was born.
Once you have got all the death certificates and checked the originals of the census, come back and tell us what you have learned, and we can see what else we can find.
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Hi All
Slightly off topic, but did the david and Elizabeth on the 1881 census have a child called James born 1883? If they did, does anyone know anything about him? The reason I ask is because my great grandma's first husband was a james maxwell, and , apart from the info on 1911 census saying he was born Glasgow, he was living in Birmingham at the time, I have no other information. I don't think it is the james connected to that family, but would like to know for certain
Regards
Jon
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did the david and Elizabeth on the 1881 census have a child called James born 1883? If they did, does anyone know anything about him? The reason I ask is because my great grandma's first husband was a james maxwell, and , apart from the info on 1911 census saying he was born Glasgow, he was living in Birmingham at the time, I have no other information.
Where exactly was he in the 1911 census, and what did he say his age was? Does his marriage certificate say his father's name was David?
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Hi
He was living in haymills, Birmingham as a border. The marriage was in Leicester and although I don't have the marriage certificate, his fathers name doesn't appear in the parish records on line but his wife's father does. Age was 28 on the census
I have no other information for him
Regards
Jon
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he marriage was in Leicester and although I don't have the marriage certificate, his fathers name doesn't appear in the parish records on line but his wife's father does.
You will need to get the marriage certificate to find out his father's name and occupation.
Age was 28 on the census
If that is accurate it means that he was born in 1882 or 1883. There are 24 James Maxwells in the Scottish birth records in 1882/1883 so without a father's name you are not going to get anywhere.
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Hi
Silly question. If the info isn't on the parish register would it be on the marriage certificate? Especially as wife's fathers name is on there. Can't remember whether the occupations are.
Jon
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Silly question. If the info isn't on the parish register would it be on the marriage certificate? Especially as wife's fathers name is on there. Can't remember whether the occupations are.
See https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/most_customers_want_to_know.asp#CertificateInformation.
The names and occupations of both the bride's father and the groom's father are on an English marriage certificate, assuming of course that both bride and groom know the names and occupations of their fathers. If James Maxwell did not know who his father was, obviously he would be unable to give that information to the Registrar.
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I see that he married Ellen Hartshorn and that there were two children, Winifred Pearl born 1908 and James Leslie born 11 November 1909, married Nellie Bale in 1932 and died in 1977. It may be that the name Leslie might be a clue.
I see that a James Maxwell, aged 31, died in Billesdon in 1915, and Ellen Maxwell married George Kenn(e)y in Leicester in 1916. Do you know what the cause of his death was?
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Annie Borland maxwell mccoll was born 23 rd March 1910 died 7 November 1990. Her mother annie Maxwell was born 1883 and died in 1946 lol your good at this.
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Annie Borland maxwell mccoll was born 23 rd March 1910 died 7 November 1990. Her mother annie Maxwell was born 1883 and died in 1946 lol your good at this.
Have you got Annie Borland Maxwell's 1883 birth certificate? What was the name of her mother?
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Sadly I haven’t got that
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Have you got her marriage certificate then? If not, go to Scotland's People and get it. It will tell you the name of Annie Borland Maxwell's mother.
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Hi
I don't know cause of death for james. I haven't really done much on him as he isn't a direct line to me. Ellen was my great grandma and my grandad was her son from her 3rd marriage
Jon
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I don't think it is the james connected to that family, but would like to know for certain.
I don't know cause of death for james. I haven't really done much on him as he isn't a direct line to me. Ellen was my great grandma and my grandad was her son from her 3rd marriage
Well, if you want to know for certain, finding his father's name is your next step. It is entirely up to you how keen you are to know!
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I will try that thankyou for all your help.
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I am still trying to work all this message out so just found this. Thanks so much for helping me out yeah that's the right Maxwell and mccoll. I have since found out a bit more about them