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I would much appreciate any assistance to identify birth or christening records for the following family members who were all born at Stonehouse, Devon (ie Plymouth) during the 1820s:
Arthur Patrick COTTELL, b. ~1820
Henry COTTELL, b. ~1823
William COTTELL, b. ~1825
Louisa Champneys COTTELL, b. ~1826
Adelaide Elminstone Dorothea COTTELL, b. ~1829
Their father was a James COTTELL of the Royal Marines and their mother was Elizabeth, nee HILL.
The surname is sometimes given as COTTEL or COTTLE.
There were five other siblings born earthier in Grantham, Lincolnshire and Gillingham & Chatham, Kent for whom I have already found christening records.
Best regards,
CM
Sydney
Australia
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Found the following Marriages and Deaths for you on FreeBMD website:
Marriage
Fourth Quarter 1852
COTTELL Louisa Champneys - Bedminster - Vol 5c - Page 1359 to either PIKE Thomas or POUNSBERY Edward.
Death
Second Quarter 1861
POUNSBERY Louisa Champneys - Bedminster - Vol 5c - Page 519.
Marriage
Third Quarter 1849
COTTELL Adelaide Elminstone Dorothea - Bedminster - Vol 11 - Page 72 to either LLOYD Samuel; LOCKIER George; OLIVER William or POUNSBERY John Edward.
Death
Third Quarter 1860
POUNSBERY Adelaide Elminstone Dorothea - Bedminster - Vol 5c - Page 407.
?Two brothers married two sisters?
Hope this is helpful but expect you already have this info!
Priscilla
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Have also now found the following from FreeBMD:
Marriage
Second Quarter 1852
COTTELL Arthur Patrick - Bedminster - Vol 5c - Page 1320 to either PARSONS Jane or ROWLAND Matilda Ann.
Death
Fourth Quarter 1897
COTTELL Arthur Patrick - Aged 78 - Bedminster - Vol 5c - Page 406.
Death
First Quarter 1898
COTTELL Matilda Ann - Aged 71 - Bedminster - Vol 5c - Page 521.
Priscilla
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Dear Priscilla,
Thank you for your response. I've seen some of these Cottell events in Bedminster/Bristol before, except for Matilda Ann Cottell, its first time for me to see her name. On the other hand, it's much harder to find the 1820s birth records from Devon.
Best regards,
CM
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I have Henry Cottell b1823 in my tree.
So I was pleased to see your request for info. as it gave me several leads :)
According to the census records I have (1861, 1871, 1881, 1891) Henry was born in France. The 1881 census gives most detail... St Servan, France. This is adjacent to St Malo on the coast. I have not yet tried following up on this lead.
Henry married Elizabeth B Rowland (b 1825). She and daughter Matilda were living with her father Thomas Rowland in the 1851 census with her sister Matlida Rowland, (who married Arthur Patrick Cottell in 1852?) and Ellen Rowland in 19 Richmond Terrace, Bedminster. Elizabeth (Hill) Cottell was next door with 5 of her children, including Adelaide Pounsbery with James Pounsbery (9mths), and another grandson Arthur Cottell, aged 8 .. it is not clear who was the parent of Arthur.
Henry and Elizabeth had 7 children incuding Edwin Hill Cottell, so the Hill name went on for another generation.
I have not yet found Henry in the 1851 census
If you would like more information on Henry and his descendants please let me know.
In one of your posts you stated that Joseph Hall Cottell was James & Elizabeth's second child. I have
Elizabeth Cottell aged 27 in the 1841 census, b elsewhere and Maria Cottell aged 38 b Gillingham, Kent in the 1851 census. Any thoughts as to whether one or both of these are "Elizabeth Maria".
I would also be interested to know more about James (Henry's father) and associated relations. I did find a reference to him at the battle of Trafalgar and and a request to the Navy for monies owing from the Royal Marines after his death on April 30 1842 a few days ago, but I gather you probably have that info. already.
Thanks
GMR
Canada
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I could only find the baptism records of two children of James COTTELL (Capt, Royal Marines) and Elizabeth at St George's, East Stonehouse:
Georgiana Hannah COTTELL 18 March 1818 (Priv)
Arthur Patrick COTTELL 4 August 1819
Kath
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Sorry, just checked again and that first name should be 'Georgenia'
Kath
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Thanks very much. It's interesting to see that James was a captain in 1818.
1851 census has Louisa Cottell born in Bedminster
Henry put down born in St Servan in France on censuses.
but Adelaide Elminstone Dorothea COTTELL put down Stonehouse as her birthplace in1851 census, unfortunately she died before the 1861 census.... I gather there was no sign of her in Stonehouse in 1828/9/30. Maybe she was baptised in Bedminster??
gmr
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Below is a summary of the extended family of James Cottell, Captain in the Royal Marines, who eventually settled at Bedminster (Bristol). I don’t guarantee it’s 100% correct but hopefully it’s not too far off. I can provide a properly formatted version in MS Word but I can't work out how to attach a Word document to this posting.
Marriage of William Cottell & Hannah Wyat
27 Sep 1768, Barnstaple, Devon (IGI)
Children of William Cottell & Hannah of Barnstaple Devon (refer IGI):
John Champneys Cottle, b. 1769
Ann Elminstone Cottell, b. 1771
Elizabeth Cottell, b. 1772
Hannah Maria Cottell, b. 1773
Dorothea Cottell, b. 1775
William Cottell, b. 1776 (later to become Lieutenant in the Royal Marines)
Mary Cottell, b. 1778
James Cottel, b. 1781
James Cottel, b. 1782 (later to become Captain in the Royal Marines)
Marriage of James Cottell & Elizabeth Hill:
16 Aug 1811, Grantham, Lincolnshire (Grantham Deanery Marriage Index)
Children of James Cottell (Captain in the Royal Marines) & Elizabeth Hill:
Elizabeth Maria Cottell, b. 1813, Gillingham (near Chatham), Kent (IGI)
Joseph Hall Cottell, b. 1814, Grantham, Lincolnshire (IGI)
Hannah Georgiana Cottell, b. 1816, Grantham, Lincolnshire (IGI)
William Arthur Cottell, b. 1817, Grantham, Lincolnshire (IGI)
Georgiana Hannah Cottell, b. 1818, East Stonehouse, Devon (Georgeana?)
Arthur Patrick Cottell, b. 1819, East Stonehouse, Devon
Henry Cottell, b. 1823, St Servan, France (British subject)
Camilla Ann Cottell, b. 1824, Chatham, Kent (IGI)
William Cottell, b. ~1825, Stonehouse, Devon (?)
Louisa Champneys Cottell, b. ~1826, Stonehouse, Devon (?)
Adelaide Elminstone Dorothea Cottell, b. ~1829, Stonehouse, Devon (?)
Note: There were apparently quite a number of British families at St Servan in France, particularly families of naval officers based in Jersey.
Marriages of children of James Cottell & Elizabeth Hill:
Joseph Hall Cottell & Ann Granger
3Q, 1842, Kings Norton, Vol 18, pg 401
Henry Cottell & Elizabeth B Rowland
3Q 1849, Bedminster, Vol 11, pg 65
Adelaide Elminstone Dorothea Cottell & John Edward Pounsbery
3Q 1849, Bedminster, Vol 11, pg 72
Arthur Patrick Cottell & Matilda Ann Rowland
2Q 1852, Bedminster, Vol 5c, pg 1320
Louisa Champneys Cottell & Edward Pounsbery
4Q 1852, Bedminster, Vol 5c, pg 1359
Death of James Cottell (Captain on the reserved half pay of the Royal Marines):
2Q 1842, Bedminster, Vol 11, pg 54, inflammation on the lungs
Death of Elizabeth Cottell nee Hill (officer’s widow, fund holder):
2Q 1877, Bedminster, Vol 5c, pg 511.
Deaths of children of James Cottell & Elizabeth Hill:
Hannah Georgiana Cottell, prior to March 1818 (?)
William Arthur, prior to 1825 (?)
Camilla Ann Cottell, 1Q 1845, Bedminster, Vol 11, pg 61
Adelaide Elminstone Pounsbery, 3Q 1860, Bedminster, Vol 5c, pg 407
Louisa Champneys Pounsbery, 2Q 1861, Bedminster, Vol 5c pg 519
Elizabeth Maria Cottell, 1Q 1885, Bristol, Vol 6a, pg 17 (spinster)
Joseph Hall Cottell, 1Q 1891, Bedminster, Vol 5c, pg 568
Henry Cottell, 2Q 1895, Barton Regis, Vol 6a, pg 50 ? (sawn timber measurer)
Arthur Patrick Cottell, 4Q 1897, Bedminster, Vol 5c, pg 406 (clerk of coal merchant)
Matilda Ann Cottell, 1Q 1898, Bedminster, Vol 5c, pg 521 (wife of Arthur Patrick)
Georgiana Hannah Cottell, 4Q 1907, Bristol, Vol 6a, pg 125 (spinster)
Children of Joseph Hall Cottell (accountant, railway inspector) and Ann Granger:
Arthur William Joseph Cottell, b. 3Q 1842, Bedminster/Bristol (railway clerk)
Camilla Seaton Cottell, b. 2Q 1846, Bedminster/Bristol (milliner)
Walter G. (Granger?) Cottell, b. ~1848, Bristol
James Edward Cottell, b. 2Q 1850, Bedminster/Bristol
Oswald Dannies Cottell, b. 2Q 1852, Westbury, Wiltshire (accountant, vinegar brewer)
Eva Camilla Cottell, b. 2Q 1854, Westbury, Wiltshire (milliner)
Ada Annie Cottell, b. ~1856, Frome, Somerset
Elizabeth Hill Cottell, b. 2Q 1858, Melksham, Wiltshire
Worthington Hall Cottell, b. 3Q 1860, Maiden Newton, Dorset (seaman, customs officer)
Mabel Emily Cottell, b. 1863, Maiden Newton, Dorset
Herbert Vincent Cottell, b. 3Q 1864, Bedminster/Bristol (seaman)
Note: In the 1851 census Arthur William Joseph Cottell (aged 8) is staying with his grandmother Elizabeth Cottell in Richmond Terrace, Bedminster.
Oswald Dannies Cottell was co-owner of a vinegar works White, Cottell & Co which seems to have been located at various times in Long Lane, West Bermondsey and Lowth Road, Camberwell, both in London.
Worthington Hall Cottell & Herbert Vincent Cottell were put into the merchant navy by their family. Both eventually settled in Townsville, Queensland, Australia. Worthington gave his middle name as Halle rather than Hall. Herbert Vincent worked for the Adelaide Steamship Company.
CM
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Here's what I have to date on James Cottell, Captain in the Royal Marines.
I have seen reference on the WWW to a James Cottell of the Royal Marines on board the HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar. I also found a description on the WWW of a Lieut James Cottell's involvement in a landing at Mauritius.
The Capture of Mauritius in 1810, excerpts from Part 5 of “The Royal Navy, A History from the Earliest Times to the Present Day” by W.L. Clowes. “The Sirius reappeared before Ile de la Passe on August 13th, when, however, the other craft were still far to leeward. Anxious to effect a surprise, Pym decided not to wait for his consorts, and in the evening sent in five boats, containing 71 officers and men under Lieutenants William Norman, John Wyatt Watling, and Henry Ducie Chads, together with Lieutenants (R.M.) James Cottell and William Bate. The attack was most successful, although the enemy opened fire before the boats had landed. Norman fell, shot through the heart as he was endeavouring to enter a battery; but Watling took his place, carried the work in spite of a determined resistance, and then crossing the islet, joined hands with Chads, who had been similarly successful on the south-east side. Thereupon the French garrison, of about 80 regulars, surrendered, having inflicted a loss of 7 killed and 18 wounded.”
Web site: http://home.planet.nl/~pdavis/Mauritius.htm
There is a naval biography on the WWW for a William Grant who had two cousins in the Royal Marines named William & James Cottell. “A Naval Biographical Dictionary – Every Living Officer in Her Majesty’s Navy”, 1849, pg 423, biography of Lieut William Grant (available on ancestry.com). This could be a good way to trace the Cottell lineage.
"William Grant was born 14 May 1789, at Taunton, in Somersetshire, and died 1 Dec. 1845. He was son of Capt. John Grant who obtained a medal for his services in the 40th Regt. during the first American war, and who afterwards, when belonging to the Prince of Wales' or Leicestershire Fencibles, fought in Ireland during the rebellion of 1798. One of his cousins, Wm. Cottell, Lieutenant R.M., was mortally wounded on board the ROBUST 74, at the defeat, in the latter year, of a squadron under Commodore Bompart ; and another, the late Jas. Cottell, R.M., who died in 1842, served in the TONNANT at Trafalgar. He has left a brother, a Surgeon in H.M. 10th Regt., now at Calcutta."
Google Books has a copy of the New Annual Army List, 1841 which contains the following details for James Cottell of the Royal Marines in its list of Captains:
2nd Lieut etc: 17 Sep 1798
Lieut: 5 May 1804
Captain: 18 April 1814
When placed on half pay: 20 Mar 1835
Note: Captain Cottell served at the battle of Trafalgar.
There is reference to a James Cottle, 2nd Lieutenant, Marine, on the web site of the National Archives, under Trafalgar Ancestors, HMS Tonnant. Ship’s pay book number ML123, 1 Nov 1804.
Web site: www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/trafalgarancestors/
There was an exhibition held a few years ago of watercolours by James Cottell, Captain RM. SeaBritain, watercolour exhibition at Uppark near Petersfield, 6 Sep – 20 Oct 2005, collection of contemporary watercolours by Captain James Cottell, RM, a veteran of the Trafalgar campaign, the Ratepayer Magazine, Oct 2005, ph 01730825415.
Web site: http://www.theratepayer.co.uk/Magazine%20Folder/RpMagOctober2005v4.pdf
I'm wondering whether there was only the one James Cottell in the Royal Marines... Cottell is only a moderately common surname in the UK (mostly Devon & Cornwall). May need to look into naval records at Portsmouth to confirm the links.
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Thanks very much Chris...
it's going to take a while for me to enter that info into my tree :)
The account of the battle for Mauritius was certainly an interesting window into Naval warfare two centuries ago.
Here are the details I found on James's death...
From National Archives Catalogue
ADM Records of the Admiralty, Naval Forces, Royal Marines, Coastguard, and related bodies
Division within ADM Records of Accounting and Pay Departments
ADM 45 Navy Board, and Admiralty, Accountant General's Department: Officers' and Civilians' Effects Papers
ADM 45/15 Series 4, Nos. 501-750. Described at item level
Record Summary
Scope and content Number: 556
James Cottell, Captain Royal Marines, who died: 30 April 1842. Notes on executor's application for money owed by the Royal Navy.
Covering dates 1842-1843
Availability Open Document, Open Description, Normal Closure before FOI Act: 30 years
Held by The National Archives, Kew
It seems unlikely to me that there would be more than one Captain James Cottell / Cottle in that time period. But I agree the Naval records would be good to access, they have some details on next of kin as well I believe.
I was checking the National Achives for references to Cottells and found several promising looking leads including evidence that we are not the first to research the Cottell family Tree... in Devon
http://www.devon.gov.uk/localstudies/
MATCH COTPED1871 . Pedigree of the Cottle family. 1871.
MATCH GRAADD1908 . Additional notes to W.H.Cottell's ms. on the Cottle family. 1908.
MATCH COTHIS1871 . A history of the Cotel, Cottell or Cottle family of the counties of Devon.... 1871.
MATCH COTCOT1908 . The Cotel, Cottell or Cottle family of the counties of Wilts, Somerset, Gloucester, Devon and Cornwall.... 1908.
and Somerset http://www.somerset.gov.uk/archives/
DD\X\CTL PEDIGREES, ETC., OF THE COTTELL [OR COTTLE] FAMILY 12th century-20th century
DD\X\CTL/1 Cottle family tree of Radstock, Somerset and Wellington, New Zealand.
Some are several pages, one 2 "bundles" !! I'm thinking there is a lot of information there.... maybe related to our guys. Some of this was researched by William Henry Cottell in 1871... have you heard of him?
Talk to you later
GMR
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Dear GMR,
Thanks for your response.
I have a copy of James Cottell's death certificate. The date of death was 30 April 1942 which precisely matches the naval record that you found. The location was Richmond Terrace. His age was 60. Do you think we could request a copy of the executor's document from the National Archives at Kew?
I have seen reference on the WWW to W H Cottell's 19th century research on the Cottell/Cottle family history.
The Cottell Family, by W H Cottell, The Genealogist, Vol 1, page 340.
The History of the Cotel, Cottell or Cottle Family of the Counties of Devon, Somerset, Cornwell & Wiltshire, published 1871.
I made a note that book is available on ancestry.co.uk but you need a "World Membership" to access it.
It may go back to time of the Norman conquest... Sir Robert de Cotele, Knight of Camerton (Somerset), arrived from France around 1102.
I have some information on the families of Arthur Patrick Cottell, Adelaide Pounsbery & Louisa Pounsbery but I haven't written it up yet. Maybe another time...
Best regards,
CM
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I am Edward Pounsbery Cornish.Gx2 grandson of Adelaide Cottell and James Edward Pounsbery. Gx3 of James Cottell. Would be pleased to hear from you all if your still in correspondence. Have some info.