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my ggrandfather was born in france so were his siblings i found this on familysearch
Thos. PERRY Household
Male
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Other Information:
Birth Year <1835>
Birthplace Decashill (B S), France
Age 46
Occupation Sheet Iron Shearer
Marital Status M <Married>
Head of Household Thos. PERRY
Relation Head
I have looked for Decashill but no searchs found on a later census it says born in Paris I believe this is a spelling mistake, is there a town in Paris with a name sounding like Decashill.
Regards
Lynne
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I have looked for Decashill but no searchs found on a later census it says born in Paris I believe this is a spelling mistake, is there a town in Paris with a name sounding like Decashill.
I'm local and I'm sorry to say, even staring at the image where it looks more like Deca*r*ll to me, I really can't think of one :-\ :-\
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I have no idea where it is either. I see you have another posting on this subject
without success
http://italiangenealogy.tardio.com/Forums/viewtopic/p=72708.html
Bonjour Tati, ça va?
Geoff
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When you have Staffordshire families in the iron trade with children born in France, you need to look at the ironworks that were being set up in France at the time. English workers, usually from Staffordshire, were brought to France to work and to teach the local workers their methods. After a some years most of them returned to England - by the 1840s there were enough French ironworkers that they no longer needed to rely on imported labour.
There is a book on Google Books called 'The Industrial Revolution in Iron: The Impact of British Coal Technology'. It mentions various of these ironworks, and their links to Staffordshire and Wales - including one at Decazeville.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decazeville
- quite possibly this is where the family were, at least part of the time. There were ironworks near Paris as well, so they could have been in that area for a bit.
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(Hi Geoff :D)
Well done Jorose!! 8) Quite a way from Paris indeed :P
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Thank you for your replies it has given me new things to work on.
Lynne
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Did you ever find the town? I realise this is a long ago post. My direct great great etc.... grandfather is the same Thomas Perry (my father was also Thomas Perry by the way) and this is the same stumbling block I've come to with him. Decashill ...
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Did you ever find the town? I realise this is a long ago post. My direct great great etc.... grandfather is the same Thomas Perry (my father was also Thomas Perry by the way) and this is the same stumbling block I've come to with him. Decashill ...
This is interesting for me as I have been looking at the Perry Family in the last week. It is just odd that these coincidences keep happening to me. In fact I had emails yesterday from a cousin who lives on the other side of Port Philip Bay, Melbourne, Australia from me, mentioning her Perry Family. John Oliver was the brother of my great grandmother Jane Oliver and he married Jane Perry whose father James Perry had come up to Consett County Durham where I was also born, from Staffordshire. James Perry was born either Pelsall or Wednesbury but lived at one time at Bilston.
For the last two or three weeks a few of us have looked for and now solved a mystery of some letters written to the half sister of John and Jane Oliver, who was Elizabeth Anne Fullwood. Her father Emanuel Fullwood who drowned while drunk at sea in a small boat in 1849 at Sunderland had gone to Bishopwearmouth Steel Works from Bilston, Staffs. We then looked for help from some Fullwood's and one of their trees was full of Perry's of Bilston. Another connection in this same search was a Family of Gee's and they are also in the John Oliver family and they also have popped up in different searches within the same week.
The French connection puts a new look on the Perry Family, so thanks again for bringing it up.
Malcolm
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Unfortunately the OP has not be around lately - last here about a year ago - but hopefully she will get an email about this thread.
Since 2008 more French genealogy has become available online, much of it through the individual departmental archives. Decazeville is part of the department of Aveyron, and their archives are at:
http://archives.aveyron.fr
Looking at records from Decazeville, 1833-1842, for example, I see
one under Perry, (Edouard), 11 November 1836
Edouard Perry was the son of Richard Perry, aged 32, from England, and his wife Rebecca aged 31, also from England.
Possibly this same couple had children baptised in Paris in 1833, Richard and Martha.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQK7-NY1
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F73R-99H
(Unfortunately a lot of birth records from Paris of this period were destroyed)
They may be the same couple who had a daughter Anne baptised in Bilston in 1828:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JQFQ-N38
While looking for what happened to the rest of the family, I note that in 1851 Richard is back in England with several of these children (and your Thomas), youngest Sarah b. about 1845, and no Rebecca.
Could this be her burial, in Havre?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQY9-SQ7
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Digging around other possible places for British ironworkers and their families to turn up in France, and found a few places in Eure, closeish to Le Havre. One is Pont Audemer, home to Les Forges de la Risle:
http://www.gracesguide.co.uk/Forges_de_la_Risle
Records can be found here:
http://archives.eure.fr
In Pont-Audemer are births:
Thomas Perry, 31 Jan 1837
- not yours, the child of William Perry and Mary Anne Mawdsley
deaths:
stillborn child Perry, 27 Dec 1846 - the child of John Perry, aged 25, and Mary Ann Ward, aged 26, his wife
Rebecca Perry, 28 Dec 1846 - aged five, the daughter of Richard Perry, puddler (English), and the late Rebecca Perry.
Perhaps William and John were part of a wider family network and link into Richard and Rebecca somehow? At any rate, this does show us that Richard's wife Rebecca was deceased by 1846, even if we can't locate the birth of Thomas...
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Hi,
Rebecca PERRY, daughter of Richard PERRY and the late Rebecca PERRY passed away on December 28th 1846 in Pont-Audemer. She was 5.
Fille de Richard PERRY, pudler (anglais) et de feue Rebecca PERRY.
Address rue de la Madeleine.
David
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Her mother died on December 14th 1845 in Graville-l'Heure, section de Trigauville, rue Ferdinand.
No occupation. She was 39 years old and a native of Bilston. Parents : William PERRY and Martha PERRY. Husband : Richard PERRY. Place of marriage Dudley : Date : April 12th 1828
Declaration made by her husband Richard PERRY, 40 years old.
Richard PERRY est pudeleur et William PERRY est marteleur.
http://recherche.archivesdepartementales76.net/?id=viewer&doc=accounts%2Fmnesys_ad76%2Fdatas%2Fir%2Fserie_E_seigneuries_familles_notaires_etat_civil%2FFRAD076_IR_E_etat_civil%2Exml&page_ref=1650366&lot_num=1&img_num=1&index_in_visu=
Frame 106 on 117
Frame 108 death record of a child of John WESTWOOD
Frame 109 death record of John LADDLA
Frame 110 death record of Aurélie BELLOUARD, wife of John WESTWOOD
David
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Unfortunately the OP has not be around lately - last here about a year ago - but hopefully she will get an email about this thread.
Since 2008 more French genealogy has become available online, much of it through the individual departmental archives. Decazeville is part of the department of Aveyron, and their archives are at:
http://archives.aveyron.fr
Looking at records from Decazeville, 1833-1842, for example, I see
one under Perry, (Edouard), 11 November 1836
Edouard Perry was the son of Richard Perry, aged 32, from England, and his wife Rebecca aged 31, also from England.
Possibly this same couple had children baptised in Paris in 1833, Richard and Martha.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQK7-NY1
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F73R-99H
(Unfortunately a lot of birth records from Paris of this period were destroyed)
They may be the same couple who had a daughter Anne baptised in Bilston in 1828:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JQFQ-N38
While looking for what happened to the rest of the family, I note that in 1851 Richard is back in England with several of these children (and your Thomas), youngest Sarah b. about 1845, and no Rebecca.
Could this be her burial, in Havre?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQY9-SQ7
my ggrandfather was born in france so were his siblings i found this on familysearch
Thos. PERRY Household
Male
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Other Information:
Birth Year <1835>
Birthplace Decashill (B S), France
Age 46
Occupation Sheet Iron Shearer
Marital Status M <Married>
Head of Household Thos. PERRY
Relation Head
I have looked for Decashill but no searchs found on a later census it says born in Paris I believe this is a spelling mistake, is there a town in Paris with a name sounding like Decashill.
Regards
Lynne
Richard and rebecca are my 4x great grandparents and daughter shara my 3x
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Her mother died on December 14th 1845 in Graville-l'Heure, section de Trigauville, rue Ferdinand.
No occupation. She was 39 years old and a native of Bilston. Parents : William PERRY and Martha PERRY. Husband : Richard PERRY. Place of marriage Dudley : Date : April 12th 1828
Declaration made by her husband Richard PERRY, 40 years old.
Richard PERRY est pudeleur et William PERRY est marteleur.
http://recherche.archivesdepartementales76.net/?id=viewer&doc=accounts%2Fmnesys_ad76%2Fdatas%2Fir%2Fserie_E_seigneuries_familles_notaires_etat_civil%2FFRAD076_IR_E_etat_civil%2Exml&page_ref=1650366&lot_num=1&img_num=1&index_in_visu=
Frame 106 on 117
Frame 108 death record of a child of John WESTWOOD
Frame 109 death record of John LADDLA
Frame 110 death record of Aurélie BELLOUARD, wife of John WESTWOOD
David
Interesting as I have a Bruyn Birth in 1845, Bruyn Death in 1846 and a Bruyn Birth in 1847 also in Graville l'Heure, commune district of Trigauville but can not locate the district. My records say rue catinat (so lived in Catinat Street). This family was from England and he was a Forgeron (Blacksmith).
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could this be them on page 36 of the 1846 Grasville l'Heure Census, says rue Ferdinand as the street
https://www.archivesdepartementales76.net/ark:/50278/974ab0527247f5a0eecdcb9ad58644d7/dao/0/1?id=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.archivesdepartementales76.net%2Fark%3A%2F50278%2F974ab0527247f5a0eecdcb9ad58644d7%2Fcanvas%2F0%2F36&vx=3227.88&vy=-2157.61&vr=0&vz=8.05116
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Hi,
I see no PERRYs on page 36 .
Do you mean : can DROUIN be a BRUYN? It is written Drouin femme Benoit ( wife of the preceding Jean Benoit , her first name was Adolphine).
May be you should post this question on the thread here:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=788906.0
What are you searching now concerning the Perry family ?
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Sorry, no my bad thought the entries 37, 38, 39, 40 might be a P
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Yes ´ it's Henry not Perry.
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What peaked my interest was the Trigauville Graville l'Heure death as I am trying to locate where the district was in 1845.
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https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graville
Graville became Graville -L'heure during the revolution and in 1831 became 1commune with 2 , Graville and l'Heure), in 1852 L'Heure was joined to Le Havre and Graville joined to Le Havre in 1919.
Graville is now a district of Le Havre .
Trigauville may have been on old village near Le Havre , there is only a street called Rue de Trigauville in Le Havre , could be where was Trigauville. Trigauville may be found on the Cassini map
Added( I found Graville , not Trigauville)
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b106789784/f1.item.r=La%20carte%20de%20Cassini%20le%20havre.zoom
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1845 Graville L'Heure records have commune district of before each of these - Trigauville Rue Hilaire Colombel, Trigauville Rue de Normandie, Trigauville Rue Ferdinand, Trigauville Rue Helene, Trigauville Rue Dugay Trouin, Trigauville Rue Catinat, There are others I can't quite make out too (one looks like Rue Sainte Marie). Rue Hilaire Colombel, Rue Helene and Rue Duguay Trouin in L'Havre are not far from each other and not far from Torneville and rue de Trigauville.
I am sure there were entries for Commune district of Tourneville rue de Normandie too.
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https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b53250938j/f1.item.zoom
Click ZOOM ( bottom) and then use your mouse wheel to zoom in .
This is a map of Le Havre in 1854 .
another one
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b53248091x/f1.item.zoom
map of 1882
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https://lehavredavant.canalblog.com/archives/2008/10/22/11055471.html
the reconstruction of the city after WW2 bombing did not follow the old map.
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https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b53250938j/f1.item.zoom
Click ZOOM ( bottom) and then use your mouse wheel to zoom in .
This is a map of Le Havre in 1854 .
another one
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b53248091x/f1.item.zoom
map of 1882
Sorry but the links above don't work for me.
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Very Strange, Wayne! They work for me in the UK. Are you outside Europe? I have noticed that I have to use a VPN for certain French websites now as they are trying to reduce attacks from abroad.
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Very Strange, Wayne! They work for me in the UK. Are you outside Europe? I have noticed that I have to use a VPN for certain French websites now as they are trying to reduce attacks from abroad.
I am in NSW Australia
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Or try to enter the link on GOO..without copying it or clicking on the link.
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I too have an error message when I try to access Gallica . It worked half an hour ago and I am in France .
Try later , it may work .
If you access Gallica , enter plan du Havre and choose plan du havre in the drop-down menu.
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I too have an error message when I try to access Gallica . It worked half an hour ago and I am in France .
Try later , it may work .
If you access Gallica , enter plan du Havre and choose plan du havre in the drop-down menu.
Thanks, I get the site can't be reached for the first 2 links. I will try later.
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I works now for me.
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https://avenio.lehavre.fr/4DCGI/Web_DFPict/034/1Fi148/ILUMP29135
another one 1854
use your mouse wheel to zoom in.
I gave you the Gallica link twice , I meant to give you this one instead.
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https://avenio.lehavre.fr/4DCGI/Web_DFPict/034/1Fi148/ILUMP29135
another one 1854
use your mouse wheel to zoom in.
I gave you the Gallica link twice , I meant to give you this one instead.
page can't be displayed with this one too.
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Have you tried to access Gallica just by entering" Gallica" in the Google search bar ? and then enter "plan du Havre" in the gallica search bar.
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Have you tried to access Gallica just by entering" Gallica" in the Google search bar ? and then enter "plan du Havre" in the gallica search bar.
I have typed Gallica in google and clicked on Gallica – The BnF digital library | BnF – Institutional website , Recueil d'ancienne littérature française . | Gallica - BnF and Recueil | Gallica - BnF
All three have the same message "this site can't be reached"
I am in Australia.
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I am no expert but I think Gallica is open to anyone , there are no secrets in Gallica that should be kept " for french eyes only".
But your computer may protect you strongly from foreign sites, may be you could either:
disconnect your VPN
or
erase the bnf cookies on your computer
or
try another navigator
and surely some other answers , but as I said ,I am no expert.
I found these solutions on the web by entering "accessibilité du site gallica depuis l'étranger""problème d'affichage sur Gallica" " faut-il un VPN pour accéder à gallica depuis l'étranger".
You are not the first one to have this problem and I would really lke to find an answer.
Of course I could send you the maps of Le Havre if nothing works .
Good luck , let us know if something works.
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Thanks, I will try later. I am not home. I can access the Departmentales Archives Seine Maritime for the LeHavre/LeHeure Grasville/Graville 1845 -1847, birth and death records plus the 1846 Census with no issues.