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Title: Jane Jolliffe Ackerman
Post by: bellbird on Monday 04 August 08 05:09 BST (UK)
Said to have married John Powell Grant Webb in 1855 and they  disappear prior to 1861 census.  My Greatgrandmother is this lady and I have only managed to see her in the NZ 1893 Electoral Roll for Upper Hutt where they lived.  This was the first year women had the vote!!!!!!!!  I can't track her birth in England Bridport most likely as there appears to be a number of Ackermans in different decades in that town and she was married there.  My ggmother had brother who came out to New Zealand and lived in Carterton (out a bit and said to be a dairyworker)   I have a portrait of him whitehaired and a family group photo which appears to be a big celebration (maybe wedding anniversary) with a great big cake in the foreground.  He is named as Harry on the back of the photographs by my mother, Henry is often called Harry so maybe known as Henry in Dorset.  Hope someone has an idea or two about this lady that would help me.  Thanks in anticipation  Bellbird.
Title: Re: Jane Jolliffe Ackerman
Post by: stannarp on Monday 04 August 08 07:34 BST (UK)
Hi Bellbird,

At a quick (very!) glance, there are 3 possibilities that I've seen on IGI (www.familysearch.org):

1) Jane Ackerman
Birth:     1840      Bridport, Dorset, England
Parents:
     Father:     Henry Ackerman
     Mother:     Martha Chalker

2) Jane Akerman
Christening:     02 NOV 1843      Broadwinsor, Dorset, England
Parents:
     Father:     Samuel Akerman    Family
     Mother:     Sarah

3) Jane Ackerman
Birth:     1846      Mosterton, Dorset, England
Parents:
     Father:     David Ackerman
     Mother:     Selina

You might also check the Dorset OPC site (http://www.opcdorset.com/) for the parishes listed here to see if they have marriage records, and IF they contain the couple you're looking for...otherwise you might have the unenviable task (trust me, I've done this one before...) of checking EVERY Dorset parish that has an OPC to see if you can find her.  That being said, using ctrl-f to find a surname is a heck of a lot easier than ordering and searching parish registers which are hand-written!!!

Hope this helps,

Regards,

Patricia
Title: Re: Jane Jolliffe Ackerman
Post by: heywood on Monday 04 August 08 08:41 BST (UK)
how about this one:

1851 HO107; Piece: 1861; Folio: 273; Page: 15

SOuth Mill Lane Bridport

William Ackerman head 52 yrs flax dresser b Bridport
Elizabeth 42 yrs b Gillingham
Jane 17 yrs b Burton Bradstock
Henry 12 yrs b Burton Bradstock

there are 2 other Jane's in 1851 Dorset but she is the only one of an age to marry soon after.
Title: Re: Jane Jolliffe Ackerman
Post by: Sisterjane on Monday 04 August 08 08:43 BST (UK)
Hi

Im not sure if you have access to the cencus records so if not I will post details to you.

There is this family who look like possibles in 1851

HO107/1861/318/25

Jane
Title: Re: Jane Jolliffe Ackerman
Post by: Sisterjane on Monday 04 August 08 08:46 BST (UK)
Morning Heywood.....Mines for the one indexed as June but it looks like Jane to me...

Jane
Title: Re: Jane Jolliffe Ackerman
Post by: heywood on Monday 04 August 08 08:48 BST (UK)
oh heck! I only saw that one and jumped on Henry - (figuratively speaking) - mind you can't find them in 1841 now!
Title: Re: Jane Jolliffe Ackerman
Post by: Sisterjane on Monday 04 August 08 08:54 BST (UK)
LOL....I cant see them either in 41..but will keep looking..

Jane :)
Title: Re: Jane Jolliffe Ackerman
Post by: heywood on Monday 04 August 08 08:54 BST (UK)
Family Search has William Jolliffe Ackerman marrying Elizabeth March 28 Sept 1828 Bridport

and these parents have been claimed by a submitter for a Jane and Henry :-\
Title: Re: Jane Jolliffe Ackerman
Post by: Sisterjane on Monday 04 August 08 08:57 BST (UK)
Ive found them in 41 now as Akerman.....shall i post or have you done it !!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Jane Jolliffe Ackerman
Post by: heywood on Monday 04 August 08 08:59 BST (UK)
yes I just got them too - in Workhouse with other children in the family. It's porridge time now so I'm off to eat it - need my strength for the day - grandchildren  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Jane Jolliffe Ackerman
Post by: Sisterjane on Monday 04 August 08 09:18 BST (UK)
I wont post any more as im not sure whether Patricia already has this info so best wait to she comes back on line.

Jane..

Im just munching on a couple of slices of toast with marmite..yummy
Title: Re: Jane Jolliffe Ackerman
Post by: carol8353 on Monday 04 August 08 09:48 BST (UK)
See also, the replies on this thread

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,314299.msg2000024.html#msg2000024

Carol
Title: Re: Jane Jolliffe Ackerman
Post by: heywood on Monday 04 August 08 11:28 BST (UK)
oh dear!

So really all this information is already known - I wonder if bellbird really is after New Zealand information rather than Dorset  :-\
Title: Re: Jane Jolliffe Ackerman
Post by: carol8353 on Monday 04 August 08 13:36 BST (UK)
I get the feeling that she is trying to tie the two up to be 100% certain that she has the right family. ;D

Title: Re: Jane Jolliffe Ackerman
Post by: heywood on Monday 04 August 08 14:58 BST (UK)
right - well the name Jolliffe is fairly unusual and I think a marriage certificate would confirm parent etc.
I am sure though that what we have found will help one way or another  ;D
Title: Re: Jane Jolliffe Ackerman
Post by: bellbird on Tuesday 12 August 08 05:30 BST (UK)
Hi Dorset Folk.   Thanks for your efforts re Jane Ackerman.  To try and get her I have been chasing Henry Joliffe, her brother and have found his grave in NZ.  On the gravestone it said he was born in 1838 in Burton Bradstock Dorset.  Found his christening entry in IGI and clicking on family up came the rest including Jane also  born at Burton Bradstock 1834 but no other date, i.e. date and month.  Their parents are William Joliffe Ackerman and Elizabeth March married 28/9/1828 in Bridport.  Have heard a rumour that he was asked to leave Bridport which may account for first 2 children being born in Bridport and next 3 at Burton Bradstock and last one in Bridport in 1844.  I would still like info about Janes birth date.  She died in NZ.  According to an old newspaper report Henry was much aggrieved at being "coaxed" out to NZ under false information so he thought and apparently had lent John W and Jane some money.  He ended up on their doorstep when John was halfway across the Hutt River in his boat and threatened to do Jane in and got a bit violent, neighbours came to Janes rescue and he ended up in court saying he was the agrieved party but was fined 5 pound and bound over to keep the peace for 3 months.  So yes Henry and Susan ended up in NZ but don't have a date for their arrival.  Found another lady in Wellington who has been chasing Jane too, a Historical Researcher at Carterton put us in touch and now what I've found and another email has thrown her research and  conclusions to the 4 winds, she's not sure whether to be amused or upset it would appear.  Still it's good to have company on the search for these two particular reles.

Maybe you folk could help me with some information of where I could go next with my grandfather's family in Devon.  I have put up a couple of requests on the Devon site and no bites whatsoever.  Where else could I look or processes I  could follow.   Thanks in anticipation.   To the "Breakfast Club folk" i.e. Porridge for 1 and toast and marmite for No 2.  You must be early birds on the computer, thought I was bad enough.  Thought Vegemite was  what you folk had and Marmite was a kiwi item,  maybe we export it now?
To the one who wondered if I ewas after NZ connection only, no I want once the correct family for JohnPTG Webb and Jane Joliffe Ackerman are sorted to go back as far as I can.  I have seen dates for the Ackerman and Webb families quite early, e.g. Ackerman Marriage in 1655 so would like to find the connection and complete that family tree.  Well I'm off to cook tea.  Hope all is well with you all.   Bellbird
Title: Re: Jane Jolliffe Ackerman
Post by: bellbird on Tuesday 12 August 08 05:36 BST (UK)
Sorry should have read the epistle before I  sent it.  The Devon family connection is CRANCH.  The one I know is Samuel born in 1855, he immigrated to NZ by jumping ship and swimming to shore, other 3 didn't  kick off their sea boots and drowned.  It was taken that he too had drowned, but after travelling around NZ under name Billy Hare he was persuaded to let the family at home know he was alive etc.  They didn't appreciate it as they had reached the purple stage of mourning (don't know about the mourning stages).  He married Elizabeth WEbb John and Janes daughter.  Bellbird
Title: Re: Jane Jolliffe Ackerman
Post by: allibaker on Thursday 14 August 08 10:42 BST (UK)
ok iam proberley duplicating info but what the hell its the school holidays and i need distraction from 2 under 5's  ;D
children of william jollife ackerman and elizabeth -
marianna bapt 18th feb 1830 bridport
matthew bapt 17th july 1836 burton bradstock
henry bapt 9th dec 1838 burton bradstock
maria bapt 25th dec 1841 burton bradstock
amelia bapt 3rd nov 1844 bridport
regards
alli
Title: Re: Jane Jolliffe Ackerman
Post by: allibaker on Thursday 14 August 08 10:52 BST (UK)
this looks like where the jollife / ackerman connection began -
joan ackerman married william jollife 14th nov 1770 bridport dorset as taken from the BIVRI VOL 2
regards
alli
Title: Re: Jane Jolliffe Ackerman
Post by: heywood on Thursday 14 August 08 11:08 BST (UK)
Hi alli - oh no! what are those children doing now whilst mum is at her computer  :o :o :o

I too am apologising for possibly repeating information - I don't think from reading here that you have Jane's marriage certificate? It is odd that those names that alli shows appear here:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ackermanuk/bap4.html
but there is no sign of Jane - any Jane for that matter around the right time. If I recall the IGI were submissions not actual records extracts.

I was thinking that at least the certificate would confirm her father's name and perhaps for some reason she hasn't been identified in any baptism records. It would be back to the parish records then I suppose.

Well alli- that's my distraction from housework!

best wishes
heywood
Title: Re: Jane Jolliffe Ackerman
Post by: allibaker on Thursday 14 August 08 11:11 BST (UK)
 ;D sometimes it helps not to know what they are up to  ;)
lol
it does seem strange that she doesnt show in the records but hey stranger things have happened
regards
alli
Title: Re: Jane Jolliffe Ackerman
Post by: bellbird on Thursday 14 August 08 20:10 BST (UK)
Morning folks. too tired to make it a good one and work calls.  I have located Jane through her brother Henry Jolliffe Ackerman.  A fiesty man by all accounts or according to a newspaper report of his day in court.  He'd come down to Wellington from Carterton (NZ), don't know whether it was fortunate or not but husband John Powell Thomas Grant Webb (found him in a Bridport Parish record of christenings28/2/1834 parents Robert and Mary) was halfway across the Hutt River in his boat when Henry arrived threatening to "do" for Jane.  He was going to burn their house down and do for her.  People arrived as he was beginning to beat her up.  He reckoned they got him out to NZ by misrepresenting things (inviegled the  word he used) and owed him money.  10pound fine and 3 months bound over to keep the peace.  Great being able to read the newspaper report.  Apparently Jane and Henry's Dad William upset Bridport folk in some way and was asked to leave.
He went to Burton Bradstock with wife and 2 children, had 3 more there including Jane and Henry before returning to Bridport where he had 1 more child.  Would love to know what was behind him being asked to leave Bridport :   Blow my faces won't come up.  Have found the grandaughter in Wellington of John and Janes.  I come through daughter Elizabeth and she through daughter Mary and I now know who all the Salmon photos are of, Mary's family.    If anyone can track down info on Jane and Henry I'd be grateful.  Do you know of any sites I could get onto in Devon, I've put a  couple of requests for the Cranch Family but have heard zilch and wondered what other way I could do some tracking down.  Thanks in anticipation.  Bellbird
Title: Re: Jane Jolliffe Ackerman
Post by: bellbird on Thursday 14 August 08 20:12 BST (UK)
Morning again.  Just found a boo boo in my last effort JPTG Webb's parents are Robert and Elizabeth not what I said.   Bellbird
Title: Re: Jane Jolliffe Ackerman
Post by: carol8353 on Thursday 14 August 08 22:55 BST (UK)
Anyone else who wishes to help with this thread,please note the work already done by some of us on http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,314299.msg1976264.html#msg1976264

Once the marriage cert is purchased and we have prooof of the Jane's father's name, his profession,and possible linked witnesses,it should be easy enough to follow this family all the way backwards.

Carol
Title: Re: Jane Jolliffe Ackerman
Post by: bellbird on Sunday 17 August 08 08:00 BST (UK)
Thanks for all your efforts you helpful people in Dorset.  I tried to find Jane through her brother.  A photo of his grave stone said he was born in 1838 in Burton Bradstock.  A lady looking for Jane also is in Wellington and through a historical research person in Carterton I was put in touch with her.  Turns out Jane is  both our Great Grandmother.  So we plod on together now  in the search.  According to a lady in the USA that had contacted Vanessa William was asked to leave Bridport so took his wife Elizabeth and 3 children with him, he had Jane and Henry at Burton Bradstock and a 6th child back in Bridport.  So it would appear that  the William and Elizabeth are the parents of Jane Joliffe above, Henry had Jolliffe in his name too as did his father, appears to be a family name.  I have been emailed  photos of Henry and his wife Susan grave stones by the Research lady in  Carterton.  I'll try and get hold of a man who lives outside Christchurch who apparently has contacts in the UK who will send him photocopies of documents and certificates and see if he can find them for JPTG Webb & Janes WEdding, and Robert & Elizabeths
so we can see where we go from there.  Thanks   Bellbird.
Title: Re: Jane Jolliffe Ackerman
Post by: History Girl on Wednesday 31 December 08 15:31 GMT (UK)
Hello There, I am new to Roots Chat, joined today.

Saw your post about Jane Jolliffe Ackerman. For the past two years I have been tracing my Ackerman Family,  my gt gt gt Grandfather was William Jolliffe Ackerman  born 1778 in Bridport Dorset England.  He was married to his first wife I Hannah Ackerman nee Stone, in 1800, they had around 9 children including a Henry born 1822 and a Jane born 1802.  I then have a second  marriage for William Jolliffe to Elizabeth March in 1828. Desperate to find out more about William Jolliffe, he died in 1838 in Bridport, the death certificate is very interesting.  Would love to share any other information with you.  I have the Ackermans going back in Bridport to around early 1700's
Best Regards:
Title: Re: Jane Jolliffe Ackerman
Post by: carol8353 on Wednesday 31 December 08 15:42 GMT (UK)
Welcome to Rootschat History Girl.

I'm sure Bellbird will be thrilled to hear from you. I see he/she hasn't been on Rootschat since November.

You need to make at least 3 postings before you will be able to send a Personal Message,so if you reply to this one a couple of times ,you'll have your three  ;D

All the best

Carol
Title: Re: Jane Jolliffe Ackerman
Post by: History Girl on Wednesday 31 December 08 16:03 GMT (UK)
Hi There, Thanks for the welcome, think I will need plenty of help on here.  He He!
Hope that my information helps in some way too. Facinated by all the posts already

Regards :)
Title: Re: Jane Jolliffe Ackerman
Post by: carol8353 on Wednesday 31 December 08 16:15 GMT (UK)
Don't worry about asking for help,no matter how daft it sounds  ;D

We've all been there. I suggest you read up on How to Use Rootschat.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,287.0.html

I think Bellbird might be in New Zealand she mentions Wellington in a previous posting. Of course it's already 2009 there,so she may not be online till later tonight(UK time)

To send a personal message, after you have 3 postings,click on the persons name in blue to the left of the page and then on the next page the sentence that says Send this member a personal message  8) or you can also click on the little green scroll immediately under their name.

Do let us know how you get on,I hope Bellbird didn't have too late a night seeing in the New Year  ;D

Carol

Title: Re: Jane Jolliffe Ackerman
Post by: History Girl on Wednesday 31 December 08 16:21 GMT (UK)
Thanks for the info, most helpful, talking of New Year, glad I chose today to renew my interest in Family History, wishing you a Very Happy 2009, lets hope Bellbird makes a resolution to check the site out soon.

Regards :)
Title: Re: Jane Jolliffe Ackerman
Post by: History Girl on Thursday 01 January 09 12:11 GMT (UK)
After my post yesterday on William Jollife Ackerman, I have now found, thanks to several other posts on here, that, I was mistaken in thinking that my William Jolliffe Ackerman had been married twice, it now seems that WJA married to Elizabeth March was infact the SON of my WJA who was born in 1778, another generation in the 'blink of an eye' well almost.  Many thanks to all the posts on here regarding WJA, I am still hoping to share this and other 'Ackerman' information with anyone who is tracing their Ackerman Roots.

Regards  :)
Title: Re: Jane Jolliffe Ackerman
Post by: Springbok on Tuesday 06 January 09 23:40 GMT (UK)
I wonder if you know this site which has helped me  track back my branch in Dorset-- Old parish BMD Records. Especially if you have a rough idea of the village areas


http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ackermanuk/index.html

Spring
Title: Re: Jane Jolliffe Ackerman
Post by: bellbird on Monday 12 January 09 07:17 GMT (UK)
Evening Historygirl  Yes Carol's right i haven't been on line for a while.  I got a bad rash with swollen legs, which Drs didn't know wat it was, have swallowed so many antibiotics to try and get rid of it.  Taken until now for most of the swelling to go and itching lessened as has the swelling.  Pills knocked me around so wasn't up to thinking much let alone trying to get my computer to spell correctly.  Anyway to Ackerman's someone here in NZ sent me two types of family tree for Richard Ackerman Family beginning with him born abt 1675 married Mary Down at Holy Trinity Bradpole Dorset26/5/1702.  I don''t know how accurate this is.  It shows two William Jolliffe Ackerman, father and son.  The second one married Elizabeth March 28/9/1828 at Bridport.  They had 6 children.  The two I was interested in was Jane and her brother Henry who came out here to NZ.  Jane born  1834 (is my great grandmother) and was married in Bridport to John Powell Thomas Grant Webb 1855  Vol 5a Pag 707( doesn't always use all  names and in NZ wanted to be known as Thomas)  They came out to Wellington on the Soukar and lived in Upper Hutt, I don't have photos of either of them but would love one.  Her brother Henry I haven't traced his arrival yet but apparently came out on a Colonial assisted passage and I think there were other ties too.  He lived in Carterton East Coast (lower of North Island)  where he was on a farm, not sure whether he owned one eventually as a family group photo I have of his shows at least 6 children at a celebration with a huge cake in front.  Also have a photo of him alone.  Haven't able to trace his family yet.  Carterton Researcher has sent me photos of his, his wife, and I think daughter Alice.
William Junior, Jane, Matthew and Henry were born at Burton Bradstock.  The oldest sister Marrianne and youngest Amelia were born in Bridport.  See William Jolliffe Ackerman (snr) was married to Hannah and one of their sons was christened in Bridport 1/4/1812 - Edward.  I noticed  some of the early Webb family have Jolliffe in their names too.  It has been recommended that I get marriage certificates at 7 pound each ( NZ dollar is not high against the Pound or Euro so would be between $21 and $25NZ each plus postage. so have been trying to do without.  I have a photo helpfully labelled Grandads brother-in-law of a whitebearded gentleman at a ships wheel in what appears to be  a captain's uniform there is a tall funnel behing him.  Presumably it is an Ackerman or Webb in England.    Not my mother's writing so presumably it could her mother or family member.  My grandmother was Elizabeth and a cousin I've discovered mother is Mary of the John and Jane family.  I only met two of Mum's  sisters when little and one of their sons.  I was sent a death announcement the other day of the son of the other Aunt, he was 89.  So it is possible that apart from one other elderly person I am the only one left (that's mobile and with it anyway).  I have never met any other family members.  Similiar with Dad's family too.  Hope to be able to find some of the generation after me but who will be more my age group and try to get  an  NZ Family Tree.   Have you tried the site recommended by Springbok yet.  In the UK you have two advantages we don't here, Census records and Parish records.  Our Census records have always been destroyed here for privacy reasons, absolutely  stupid, only have to wait 100 years before releasing them.  Well it might be 8:15p.m but it is so hot and muggy I'm heading down stairs to a fan, be too hot to sleep much tonight.  Last week out high temperature reading was 40 degrees.  Catch you later BELLBIRD
Title: Re: Jane Jolliffe Ackerman
Post by: bellbird on Monday 12 January 09 07:22 GMT (UK)
hISTORY GIRL  See I made a boo boo in one sentence, The photos the Carterton Reasearcher sent me were of the gravestones of Henry, his wife Susan and an Alice who I guess might well be a daughter.  BELLBIRD
Title: Re: Jane Jolliffe Ackerman
Post by: jendor on Thursday 22 January 09 10:08 GMT (UK)
Ok, here are the marriages...

21st April 1855, Bridport
John Powell Thomas Webb}full age}Bach......}Blacksmith}Robert Webb}Labourer
Jane Joliffe Ackerman.........}full age}Spinster}.................}William Ackerman}Cutter

11 May 1861, Bridport
Henry Joliffe Ackerman}22}Bach.}Flax dresser}William Joliffe Ackerman}Flax dresser
Susan Taylor...............}20}Spinster}...............}John Taylor}Labourer

As for Janes baptisim, I can't find it, perhaps she just got missed!?

William Jolliffe Ackerman was the son of William Jolliffe and Hannah...
William bap. 22 March 1801, Jane Allen bap. 25 Dec 1802, Susan bap. 04 July 1804, John bap. 19 June 1805, Mary Bap. 15 Apr 1807, John bap. 06 Jan 1810, Edward bap. 01 Apr 1812, then theres a big gap until Hannah bap. 28 Jan 1818 (buried 02 Jan 1820 aged 2) & finally Henry bap. 05 1822... all in Bridport.

Now this is where things differ, Historygirl has William Jolliffe and Hannah Stone marrying in 1800, historygirl where did you get your info' from?

The parish register has the following...

William Jolliffe Ackerman and Hannah Allen married 06 Aug 1800, witnesses Thomas Sheppick & William Richards

Then children as follows, all born Bridport children of John Ackerman and Ann Bowring
John bap. 20 Aug 1769, Jane bap. 05 Nov 1770, Ann bap. 21 Apr 1772, John bap. 12 Sep 1773, Fanny bap. 20 Nov 1774, Sarah bap. 19 Jan 1776, Susannah bap. 06 Jul 1777, William Jolliffe bap. 19 Jul 1778, Mary bap. 15 Sep 1779

John Ackerman married Ann Bowring, 30 Oct 1768, witnesses William Pachen & John Jacobs.

Next up, I need to check this a bit more, there is a John Akerman bap 27 March 1749, brothers lawrence bap 1746 and Hugh bap. 1750, and a sister born in Powerstock called Joan, baptised 23 Nov 1744, they were children of John Ackerman of Bridport and Joan Travis of Powerstock who married at Powerstock on 03 Dec 1743.

William Jolliffe married Joan Ackerman 18 Nov 1770, witnesses Lawrence Ackerman & John Jacobs, then the following week...

Lawrence Akerman married Sarah Denziloe, 25 Nov 1770, witnesses Benjamin Gilford & John Jacob

So am thinking this is where the Jolliffe name came in.

Am going to root through the rest I have here and come back to it.

Title: Re: Jane Jolliffe Ackerman
Post by: bellbird on Friday 06 February 09 01:29 GMT (UK)
Jendor  Thanks for your input, will need to put more time into to make sure I have it right.  However I have come across what appears to be a hiccup here. This is my quandry.  I had traced Jane Jolliffee Ackerman on IGI as being part of William Jolliffe's Ackerman's family. Six Children said to be in the family. First two born Bridport, next 3 Burton Bradstock, last one Bridport.  Jane shown as being born in 1834 and Henry 1838 in Burton Bradstock.   His gravestone in Masterton area (NZ) shows he was born in 1838 in Burton Bradstock.  Henry is Jane's brother as in a site called Papers Past here there was a court report of Henry's visit to Jane where he threatened "to do for her" burn her house down" Her husband John Powell thomas Grant Webb known as Thomas here was halfway across the Hutt River and couldn't rescue her however neighbours did  Also said she'd got him out here on false pretenses, owed him money.  Obviously caused great upset in the family as when my Grandmother Elizabeth shifted into the same district as Henry with her husband Samuel Cranch she was cut out of Jane's Will.  Also her children and some of Henry's went to the same school.   :( :o   So when you did your research, did you come across Janes birth records which should show her parents names.  Otherwise maybe the Marriage Certificate.  I am unable financially to buy Certificates as with the currency difference between NZ and UK it means it is now more than 3 times the cost to you in NZ dollars.  Any help with further information would be appreciated.  Whoops forgot the problem.  Jane's death certificate says father HENRY !!!!!!  Maybe family member put her brothers name by mistake or the Clerk did. BELLBIRD
Title: Re: Jane Jolliffe Ackerman
Post by: jendor on Friday 06 February 09 10:39 GMT (UK)
Hi

The information on Jane and Henry was taken directly from the marriage certificates i.e. the history centre's microfilm copies of the original register they hold. I didn't find Jane but only had time to look at Bridport and Burton so she could be somewhere else.

Death certificates are notorious for those kind of mistakes, it never ceases to amaze me what little children know about their parents, mine are pretty much ok on birthdays but ask them a year for anyone other than me, their father or granny and they'd be stumped.. my friends brother gave the wrong maiden name for his mother and it took ages to fix.

I was going to go down to Dorchester on Tuesday but couldn't because of the snow!

It's raining and sleeting here now, but 10 odd miles up the road in Shaftesbury and Gillingham they are snowed in... oooh... forget that it's snowing really heavy again.

Jen
Title: Re: Jane Jolliffe Ackerman
Post by: bellbird on Friday 06 February 09 19:33 GMT (UK)
Morning Jendor or evening for you I guess  Thanks for your input again and efforts on my behalf.  We get snow here in the Winter but it never lasts long and the last fall that closed things down was years ago.  Might 3 to 6 cms usually and it melts quickly.  View across the Southern alps is always great in the Winter.    To Jane as I've said the only record I've seen of her birth is on IGI with the rest of the family.  She like Henry was born at Burton Bradstock and was four years his senior being born in 1834.  "Tis a mystery as to where records of her birth are.  She certainly was because we are   ;D ;D ;D  History girl has contacted me by personal message board so she may not have seen your comment re the marriage of the Williams.  I presume that if i make a reply to her on the PM it will go to her  PM.  Amateur at computers and programmes here.   Hope you didn't get snowed in     BELLBIRD
Title: Re: Jane Jolliffe Ackerman
Post by: Kalodyne on Wednesday 07 October 09 16:09 BST (UK)
Hi , I am Gilbert Bathfield from Mauritius.
May be this link might help you.
Google search :FIBIS.
In quick search , enter Jane Bathield and you will learn that Jane , one of my ancestors , married Frederick Jolliffe in 1819.
All the best from Mauritius.
Gilbert.
 :)


Hi Bellbird,

At a quick (very!) glance, there are 3 possibilities that I've seen on IGI (www.familysearch.org):

1) Jane Ackerman
Birth:     1840      Bridport, Dorset, England
Parents:
     Father:     Henry Ackerman
     Mother:     Martha Chalker

2) Jane Akerman
Christening:     02 NOV 1843      Broadwinsor, Dorset, England
Parents:
     Father:     Samuel Akerman    Family
     Mother:     Sarah

3) Jane Ackerman
Birth:     1846      Mosterton, Dorset, England
Parents:
     Father:     David Ackerman
     Mother:     Selina

You might also check the Dorset OPC site (http://www.opcdorset.com/) for the parishes listed here to see if they have marriage records, and IF they contain the couple you're looking for...otherwise you might have the unenviable task (trust me, I've done this one before...) of checking EVERY Dorset parish that has an OPC to see if you can find her.  That being said, using ctrl-f to find a surname is a heck of a lot easier than ordering and searching parish registers which are hand-written!!!

Hope this helps,

Regards,

Patricia
Title: Re: Jane Jolliffe Ackerman
Post by: bellbird on Wednesday 07 October 09 18:20 BST (UK)
Hi Kalodyne  Thanks for your message, I have Jane on other sites with her husband, JPTG Webb.  She was born in Burton Bradstock as was her brother who also came out to NZ.  Their relationship here was not amicable ending up in court when he had come down to Wellington and threatened to and tried" to do for her" according to the newspaper report on Papers Past NZ.   Unfortunately she is buried in the same grave as one of her daughters and no details on a grave stone, had great trouble finding her as cemetery kept saying they didn't have her.  They found her in their records eventually.  Henry's gravestone has that he was born in Burton Bradstock in 1838, which confirms the entry in IGI and Jane was 4 years older and born in 1834.  I guess Jane was missed out on the christening, maybe it was just afdter their move.   Apparently their parents were asked to leave Bridport which they did and some years later returned to have more children there.  Don't know the cause of the reason for them being asked to leave.    I have been contacted by a member of the Ackerman family in England and they and other family members were very surprised to learn of Ackermans coming out to NZ. BELLBIRD
Title: Re: Jane Jolliffe Ackerman
Post by: Stratos on Saturday 28 April 12 21:41 BST (UK)
Hi Jendor,
Also tracing the Ackerman Line, I agree with you 100%.
Additionally I have (Elizabeth,William Joseph Joan Edward)'s Father Lawrence 1746-1797 as the son of John Akerman 1717-? and his mother Jane Travis.
Further Generation back, the afore mentioned John Akerman's parents were Richard Ackerman and Mary Down.
Title: Re: Jane Jolliffe Ackerman
Post by: zephyr64 on Saturday 26 May 12 09:49 BST (UK)
Hello fellow researchers and thank you for all your input in tracing Ackerman's. Very interesting reading and much of it confirming up names and details I have traced already purely with using the "internet"!

My gt grandmother was Elizabeth Susan Halfyard (n.Ackerman), thus my gt gt grandfather Henry Jolliffe Ackerman. The "cake" and celebration in the photo Bellbird has written about, has me wondering if that may have been the occasion of Henry and Susan's 50th wedding anniversary? A house once occupied (owned?) by Henry still stands today at Clareville, Carterton in the Wairarapa, albeit it has been modernised inside and recently on the market. I have an idea Henry may have done farming from there.

There is little else I can add. I have some old photos in albums which I'm sure has Ackerman's in them, but being unlabelled I just don't know.

Regards & thanks again..